Indonesia Might Buy V-22s—The Reason Is China

[Nike]

It's very simple. If you want to live. Don't enter the nine sectioned line. If you want to die, then go ahead and enter the nine sectioned line.

do you know Vietnamese vessels still doing their routine jobs within Nine Dash?

 

[Feng Leng]

Seeing that the US could pass with impunity in the south china sea, the taiwan strait, even going as far as near Shanghai coast. I think it's safe for the US to do a FONOP in huangpu river. Nothing will happen as usual.

LOL the US can't even stop us from spanking you in the South China Sea!

do you know Vietnamese vessels still doing their routine jobs within Nine Dash?

LOL is that what you think?

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

LOL the US can't even stop us from spanking you in the South China Sea!

LOL is that what you think? [emoji38]

Didn't stop us from spanking (taking 2 ships) you

https://defence.pk/pdf/index.php?posts/12521181

 

[vi-va]

I believe the leadership in Indonesia still think that Indonesia and China dispute over EEZ in South China Sea is still manageable. The position that Indonesia takes so far in relation with US and China rivalry is that we are neutral, although regarding to SCS, Indonesia has made strong stance that it rejects China nine dash claim.

I also believe China will not try to take some Indonesia EEZ in North Natuna Sea as long as Indonesia will keep having good economic growth (economic muscle) and adequate military power. Although I dont buy any of Indonesian members opinion saying Indonesia need to have powerful force as fast as it can (and for that reason huge acquisition of imported weapon need to be taken) because of China immediate threat.

I dont believe China leadership is that fool that make them take aggressive stance to Indonesia like they do to Vietnam/Philippine/Brunei/and Malaysia. I believe instead of taking Indonesia as enemy, China leadership has more thinking to get Indonesia as their friend thus will scrap the idea to claim Indonesia EEZ in north Natuna Sea.

My strategy is that Indonesia need to do power balance in SCS with long term strategic vision, not like 5-15 years period but rather 15-30 years period. I believe for another 20 years US will still stay in SCS, so Indonesia is quite safe for the next 20 years. And for that period, if we are clever, we need to put more money for R&D and developing our own defense industry (by giving them good amount of order along the period). And after 2040 Indonesia defense industry should be good enough to supply many high tech weapon to Indonesia Armed Force so that we can have large defense spending that is still supportive to our economy.

It's beneficial to stay neutral or sway between other powers. China knew our interest very well that a neutral Indonesia is good for us, China won't pressure Indonesia for EEZ. EEZ is something negotiable.

The conflict between VN and China is not only about EEZ, more than that. So different story.

Indonesia is big enough to say no to both side, keep neutral and get the bargaining chip as long as she need.

do you know Vietnamese vessels still doing their routine jobs within Nine Dash?

We catch their fisherman and release. I think many VN fisherman in Indonesia water as well, you guys burnt their boats.

 

[striver44]

Talking about being neutral is not us who send our fishermen guarded by coast guards and frigates thousands of Km's from the mainland.
He portrayed it like it's us who pick up the fight first.

 

[Nike]

Talking about being neutral is not us who send our fishermen guarded by coast guards and frigates thousands of Km's from the mainland.
He portrayed it like it's us who pick up the fight first.

Middle Kingdom Logic

 

[Nilgiri]

Dont waste time with Ah Q. Ah Q always "win" but finally got executed

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Thanks for ur support bro, but PLAN is usless and coward, thats why CN only control 10-12 % of SCS ( east VN sea) while VN control 60-65%. Thats the reason why US-JP-SK supported CN against VN in 1978.


Spratly islands map showing occupied features marked with the flags of countries occupying them.
Philippines
Republic of China (Taiwan)
Vietnam
Malaysia
People's Republic of China

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/south-china-sea-forum.196058/page-803

CN 2023

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Why u love spamming again and again ??

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Just look at the map and we can see Paracel is very small ( abt 8%).

We have most of the airbases in the area with 3000 meter runways. They are good for putting strategic bombers on, which will help you flatten your landscape and restore it to nature.

 

[SuperStar20]

china bites more than it can chew. PLA has no capability but high ambition. This became nuisance to other neighboring countries.

 

[Viva_Viet]

We have most of the airbases in the area with 3000 meter runways. They are good for putting strategic bombers on, which will help you flatten your landscape and restore it to nature.

Nothing change, CN still control merely abt 12% there cos PLA suck, cant fight without daddy US support like in 1979.

Building more airstrips only make US hate u more and slap more sanction. Thats why there r 600 millions poor starving Cnese plus 205 millions jobless Cnese like u, who have nothing to do but online 24/24 talking nonsense

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Nothing change, CN still control merely abt 12% there cos PLA suck, cant fight without daddy US support like in 1979.

Building more airstrips only make US hate u more and slap more sanction. Thats why there r 600 millions poor starving Cnese plus 205 millions jobless Cnese like u, who have nothing to do but online 24/24 talking nonsense

building more airstrips is to help some certain country near them to flatten their land.

 

[Viva_Viet]

building more airstrips is to help some certain country near them to flatten their land.

Thats a poor hope from a jobless peasant .More and more investors ,including rich CN investors, coming to VN and expand their business

 

[Beast]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...t-buy-v-22s-the-reason-is-china/#5b4272fc2d7b

Bell-Boeing concept for an Indonesian V-22.

The U.S. State Department on Monday cleared Indonesia to buy up to eight V-22 Osprey tiltrotor transports from Bell-Boeing for a cost of around $2 billion. That sum includes spare parts.

Jakarta might not actually want the speedy, twin-rotor Ospreys and may never sign a deal. But it’s not hard to see how the Indonesian armed forces could benefit from an acquisition.

It boils down to one word: Natunas. It’s an Indonesian island group in the South China Sea. One that Chinese leaders would love to annex. The Natunas “are a source of ongoing tension in the region,” the California think-tank RAND explained.

The Natunas are an archipelago of 272 small islands, the center of which lies 730 miles north of Jakarta. Fewer than 100,000 people live on the islands. Pretty much all of them work either for the government or as small fishermen.


The Natunas are poor, but its waters are rich in natural gas and, of course, fish.

Which is why China is jealous of the islands. While no one seriously disputes that the Natunas belong to Indonesia, Beijing’s so-called “nine-dash line”—the farthest extent of China’s unofficial claim on the China Seas— extends deep into the 200-mile exclusive economic zone surrounding the archipelago.

Which is why Chinese fishing boats, escorted by paramilitary coast guard vessels, frequently sail into the waters surrounding the Natunas and use their bottom-scraping nets to strip every living thing from vast swathes of the ocean.

DAVID AXE

The fishing incursions have become a geopolitical crisis. In January, a Chinese fishing flotilla appeared off the Natunas, just a day after Indonesian President Joko Widodo visited the island group. The Chinese fleet returned the following month.

“Little by little, I think the Chinese will take the Indonesian sea, the Philippine Sea, the Vietnamese sea,” Wandarman, a fisherman in the Natunas, told The New York Times. “They are hungry: oil, natural gas and lots and lots of fish.”

Indonesia sometimes responds to Chinese incursions by deploying patrol planes, fighters jets and navy vessels to the South China Sea. But there’s a problem. Indonesian bases in the region are few, small and under-developed.

There’s an airport at Ranai, the capital of the Natunas. That facility with its 8,400-foot runway in theory can accommodate fighter jets. The Indonesian air force’s F-16s and Su-30s in the past have deployed to bases around the periphery of the South China Sea.

Matak airfield.

WIKIMEDIA COMMONS
There’s a smaller airfield at Matak, 150 west of Ranai, that’s 3,900 feet long—probably too small for fast jets. There’s a naval base at Tanjung Pinang, 300 miles southwest of Ranai, that can support naval vessel up to 100 feet in length.

And that’s pretty much it for major military infrastructure. Most of Indonesia’s biggest naval ports and air bases are many hundreds of miles from the Natunas. And that means any significant force deploying to the archipelago must function as its own base while maintaining lines of communication over long distances.

Amphibious ships are the obvious starting point. It’s not for no reason that Indonesia, in recent years, has devoted billions of dollars to building amphibs, including five South Korean-designed landing docks, or LPDs.

Each Makassar-class LPD is 360 feet long, displaces 11,000 tons fully loaded and can carry more than 200 marines or soldiers plus around 40 vehicles up to the size and weight of a Leopard II tank. Twenty-two landing ships, tank, three coastal tankers, two troop transports, an oiler and a hospital ship support the LPDs.

The Indonesian LPD 'Banjarmasin.'

WIKIMEDIA COMMONS
The two Banjarmasin-class ships—variants of the Makassar—are the closest thing the Indonesian navy has to aircraft carriers. Each can support five helicopters and should be able to accommodate a V-22.

The Indonesian navy operates around two dozen light helicopters. The air force has around 20 Puma and Super Puma transport ‘copters. The army, with its 50 Bell 412s and 10 Mi-17s, possesses the biggest rotary force.

None of those rotorcraft can match the V-22’s 300 mile-per-hour cruising speed and 400-mile mission radius with a full load of two dozen troops. That capability comes at a cost, of course. Not only is a V-22 expensive at $70 million per copy, it’s unreliable and maintenance-intensive compared to a traditional helicopter.

But it might be worth it as Indonesia builds up a naval flotilla that can function as a sea base for pushing back against China’s incursions into Indonesian waters.

Lol.. David Axe

I hope Chinese Navy can provoke us more and sent more warships, even declared Natuna as their own territory. It will sent a clear message about China position against Indonesia.

I just hope Indonesian will fire the first shot at Chinese coastguard. Will give us legal right to wipe out TNI navy military fishboat. And don't hold onto delusion USN will come to your rescue. Ask Ukraine and Kurds about their mighty US partner what they have done for them when critical needed US.

 

[Nilgiri]

Will give us legal right to wipe out TNI navy military fishboat.

First enforce your "legal right" on small tiny Taiwan. They gave you the big finger last couple years, you turned them even more that way by your evil actions in HK.....

Then you lot made all those long blab threads here that you will invade Taiwan this year finally.

So far nothing LOL....and it will continue that way for sure.

Big blab, do nothing.

You want to speak to others after this non-performance on your renegade break-away island, after all your big promises and big talk drama lol.

@Viva_Viet

 

[KAL-EL]

First enforce your "legal right" on small tiny Taiwan. They gave you the big finger last couple years, you turned them even more that way by your evil actions in HK.....

Then you lot made all those long blab threads here that you will invade Taiwan this year finally.

So far nothing LOL....and it will continue that way for sure.

Big blab, do nothing.

You want to speak to others after this non-performance on your renegade break-away island, after all your big promises and big talk drama lol.

@Viva_Viet

No more spy bird for them