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[nametag]

Does anyone notice what's the holdup with phillippines NC-212?

The plane itself are already completed, what's the reason it hasn't been given to the PAF?

 

[Kalazan]

IMHO thant AshM C702 just typo; in bahasa something like this
"Ini juga sekaligus merupakan ajang uji coba senjata-senjata strategis TNI AL, berupa peluru kendali (rudal) permukaan ke permukaan C-705 dan C-802 dari Kapal Cepat Rudal (KCR)," ujar Kadispenal.

Couse there is many type antiship missile from china company.
Include C602.

I guess that C702 is new type that more cheaper in price.....

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Video, arrival of Leo 2RI
https://scontent-sit4-1.cdninstagram.com/t50.2886-16/14219921_172031529869919_1229221724_n.mp4

 

[Kalazan]

Yeah, i thought so, since all the past news indicated that PT.Len is the one that handle the Forceshield program. But the photo is GeoTagged with PT.Pindad persero location, so i'll leave it on the caption...

EC725 Cougar
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Nice...like fresh from the oven. with FLIR and additonal fueltank that attached beside the rear wheel housing??

Btw whats the different with the Caracal helos? becos afaik, PTDI produce this helos both.

 

[anas_nurhafidz]

Does anyone notice what's the holdup with phillippines NC-212?

The plane itself are already completed, what's the reason it hasn't been given to the PAF?

Need time to train their pilot

 

[Marhaenisme]

Need time to train their pilot

The question is why the seller not delivery yet the aircraft, even the aircraft is ready to deliver?

Because payment? Or because pilot training is not ready yet? Reason PH gov to PT DI not clear until now... its confused for me haha


Or maybe typical PH bid for procurement jargon "biar gk punya uang yg penting sombong" banyak mau tapi gk sadar isi dompet.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

>>> Take this 'news' with a grain of salt, but still..... quite interesting


Ini Penyebab Pembelian Sukhoi SU-35 Tertunda Berkali-kali

1. Masih ingat di bulan Mei kemarin santer berita bahwa kita akan beli pesawat Sukhoi Su-35 dari Rusia?

2. Lalu mendadak khabar pembelian Sukhoi itu jadi khabar kabur yg tidak jelas kelanjutannya. Padahal sudah sampai pada tahap akhir.

3. Beginilah cerita dibalik ‘tertundanya’ pembelian pesawat Sukhoi Su-35 tersebut.

4. Pada awalnya kita akan membeli pesawat Sukhoi Su-35 senilai 1,14 Milyar USD dan mendapatkan 8 buah pesawat

5. 8 buah Sukhoi sudah nyaris terbeli, namun kemudian masalah muncul. Repotnya masalah justru datang dari presiden sendiri.

6. Sebab presiden JOKOWI mulai mencium ada yg kurang tepat dari sistem pembelian alutsista kita selama ini

7. Perlu diingat bahwa dari jaman dulu hingga sekarang pembelian alutsista kita kebanyakan melalui calo alias perantara

8. Sehingga terjadi kasus geger pembelian Sukhoi di era Megawati dan juga ribut2 soal markup pembelian Sukhoi tahun 2012 di era SBY

9. Semua itu calonya sama yaitu PT Trimarga Rekatama yg dimiliki oleh Eng Djin Tjong alias Sujito Ng.

10. Sebab Trimarga Rekatama pegang LOA dan POA dari Rosoboronexport. Apa itu rosoboronexport silakan pelajari disini http://www.roe.ru/roe/eng_status.html …

11. Catatan: LOA: Letter of Agreement POA: Power of Authority LOA POA Trimarga berakhir 12 September 2016

12. Perlu kita ingat bahwa presiden kita JOKOWI ini dulunya adalah seorang pengusaha eksportir meubel. Jadi dia tahu seluk beluk usaha.

13. Hingga awal bulan mei menjelang KTT ASEAN-Rusia kemenlu masih memberitakan tentang pembelian pesawat Sukhoi itu

14. Namun setelah pertemuan Jokowi-Putin menlu segera melakukan klarifikasi tentang khabar pembelian Sukhoi

15. Jadi apa yg sesungguhnya terjadi dalam pertemuan Jokowi dan Putin tersebut. Akan kami ungkap

16. Di Rusia, sehabis pembukaan KTT ASEAN-Russia Presiden Jokowi minta waktu Presiden Russia, Menhan Russia, Rosoboronexport dan Rostec

17. Tujuan pertemuan tsb adalah membahas masalah pembelian pesawat Sukhoi Su-35. Dalam pertemuan tsb ada juga dubes Indonesia dan dubes Russia.

18. The point JOKOWI langsung bertanya, “boleh tidak pembelian Sukhoi dilakukan secara G to G atau G to manufacture, tidak lewat rekanan?”

19. Dubes Indonesia dan dubes Russia langsung menjelaskan berbuih2 bahwa rosoboronexport sudah menjalin kerjasama dgn partner di Indonesia

20. Tapi JOKOWI memotong bahwasanya waktu beli Sukhoi thn 2012 disinyalir harganya di markup. Demikian juga pada barter pd tahun 2003

21. Yg terjadi kedua dubes saling membela dgn macam2 argumen. Akhirnya presiden JOKOWI minta agar pertemuan tidak melibatkan dubes kedua Negara

22. Selanjutnya presiden jokowi menanyakan lebih jauh tentang siapa partner lokal yg ditunjuk oleh mereka selama ini

23. Ketika disinggung nama PT Trimarga Rekatama JOKOWI pun menjelaskan tentang laporan markup pembelian sukhoi yg lalu2 dari LSM2 di LN

24. Beliau juga sempat menyinggung khabar kedekatan pemilik PT Trimarga Rekatama dengan presiden lama

25. Memang sih, khabar kedekatan SBY dengan pemilik Trimarga Rekatama ini sempat diulas beberapa media dlm negeri https://m.tempo.co/…/078405750/seberapa-dekat-sby-dan-bos-a…

26. Selanjutnya presiden JOKOWI kembali menegaskan, apakah kita tetap lanjut beli Sukhoi dgn G to G atau G to manufacture atau tidak?

27. Dan apakah rekanan bisa dihilangkan? Jika bisa tentu harga Sukhoi yg kita beli harus sama dgn pihak2 lain yg juga beli dari Russia.

28. Ini artinya dengan jumlah uang pembelian yg sama kita bukan dapat 8 Sukhoi seperti yg diberitakan di awal, melainkan antara 14-15 Sukhoi!

29. Dan presiden jokowi juga sempat menggertak, jika kita harus membeli Sukhoi dgn harga kemahalan begitu mk lebih baik ambil F16 Viper dr USA

30. Presiden Putin menjawab cepat dan singkat: Bisa.

31. Namun agar tidak menyalahi perjanjian maka pembelian yg sesuai kehendak jokowi itu harus menunggu kerjasama Trimarga dan Rosoboron berakhir

32. Inilah mengapa kemudian ada klarifikasi tentang pembelian Sukhoi dari Menlu Retno http://news.okezone.com/…/menlu-retno-klarifikasi-kabar-pem…

37. Kasus Sukhoi itu hanya salah satu kasus saja. Sebab masih banyak kasus2 lain dalam pembelian alutsista kita


- JakartaGreater -

 

[gondes]

>>> Take this 'news' with a grain of salt, but still..... quite interesting


Interesting...but is this valid? If yes...damn all people who did this...they are just parasites for our country !!

Apologize for my rude words...just can't handle this emotion

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Interesting...but is this valid?

I have no competence to judge its validity, but as a course of discussion this "news" might still have its worth. Who knows... Maybe there's someone here with any factual knowledge about this procurement irregularities...

 

[initial_d]

Dunno why we are still insist on russian fighter, especially with the way how russian doing business and the smell of corruption on our side in this su35 purchase, i My self prefer F-16 block 70 than super flanker

 

[Su-35SM3 Flanker-N]

Based on what had happened in the past, this article from JKGR seems to be quite plausible. Moreover, they become more realistic over the past one year, especially because none of their "ghoib" predictions come true.

Still...I agree that we should take this with a truckload of salt

 

[pr1v4t33r]

>>> Sumber aslinya ini ternyata... http://chirpstory.com/li/327116

Dunno why we are still insist on russian fighter, especially with the way how russian doing business and the smell of corruption on our side in this su35 purchase, i My self prefer F-16 block 70 than super flanker

If we can get 15 units SU-35 rather than just 8 units with the same amount of cash by cleaning up the procurement process, i think SU-35 is still worth it. And if we take the f16 route, i think it's better to take the F16-ID that will give double quantity for the same amount of cash.

 

[GerhardA]

Dunno why we are still insist on russian fighter, especially with the way how russian doing business and the smell of corruption on our side in this su35 purchase, i My self prefer F-16 block 70 than super flanker

Well, if we don't buy the Su-35, I myself prefer buying the Gripen NG because the package is the best for our developing industry and the plane itself is very good.

I've seen the older Gripen C/D at ILA Berlin 2016 during the closed session and it was amazing. Add the ToT deal and the Erieye AWACS and their Datalink system, then we could have a pretty formidable system in our hands.

 

[Svantana]

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Well, if we don't buy the Su-35, I myself prefer buying the Gripen NG because the package is the best for our developing industry and the plane itself is very good.

I've seen the older Gripen C/D at ILA Berlin 2016 during the closed session and it was amazing. Add the ToT deal and the Erieye AWACS and their Datalink system, then we could have a pretty formidable system in our hands.

how about thypoon?

 

[GerhardA]

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how about thypoon?

I've also seen Typhoon fly in the ILA and it seemed like it was almost as maneuverable as Su-35.

I've also visited it's german production line in Manching and I have to say: that plane is super high-tech and the production line plus quality control is very strict.

Not only it has HMD, it also has voice control, a very good radar, very good weapons system, and a very good thrust to weight ratio.

So tech-wise, it seems like it's above Gripen. But. That plane is rather expensive and idk about the ToT scheme Airbus offers so I'd still realistically pick Gripen.