Indonesia Defence Forum

[Nike]

Indonesia should consider F-18



Purchase 12-18 of the F16s, and Indonesia SHOULD also get 2-3 squadrons of F18s.

Our Air Force Chief of staff once said, the Air Force want to building again dedicated maritime attack Wing of fighter/fighter bomber, something we had long lost this capacity since the abolished of Tu-16 Squadrons and Il-28 Squadron in 1970. But the most crucial obstacle is the lacks of resources. Jokowi Government seem have a strong interest to build a strong military forces but only if Indonesia can achieve their economics target, so they can ready to be all out and people will not worry about their daily life, if not we can only build and fulfill our aspiration in military field in the most modest way as usual.

The most likely candidate is as usual we will pairing Western and Eastern made platforms. We want to acquire the retired S-3 Viking for numbers and their ASW capability will give us the hand we most needed in ASW fields, meanwhile aiming for Su-34 Platypus as deterrence squadrons and their anti-surface capability can made a difference in the field.

And for the F-16, as long as i know Indonesia want to build a dedicated interceptor/Air superiority Wing (around four squadrons) under the auspices of Kohanudnas (Air Defense Commands Center). The most likely target of acquisition is Eurofighter Typhoon tranche 1 ex Royal Air Forces and they will be mixed with the newly built ones. And if Indonesia doesn't have money because of the limited budget, US government has giving us clearance for more grants of Block 25 F-16.

The most interesting time will come soon

 

[Zarvan]

Our Air Force Chief of staff once said, the Air Force want to building again dedicated maritime attack Wing of fighter/fighter bomber, something we had long lost this capacity since the abolished of Tu-16 Squadrons and Il-28 Squadron in 1970. But the most crucial obstacle is the lacks of resources. Jokowi Government seem have a strong interest to build a strong military forces but only if Indonesia can achieve their economics target, so they can ready to be all out and people will not worry about their daily life, if not we can only build and fulfill our aspiration in military field in the most modest way as usual.

The most likely candidate is as usual we will pairing Western and Eastern made platforms. We want to acquire the retired S-3 Viking for numbers and their ASW capability will give us the hand we most needed in ASW fields, meanwhile aiming for Su-34 Platypus as deterrence squadrons and their anti-surface capability can made a difference in the field.

And for the F-16, as long as i know Indonesia want to build a dedicated interceptor/Air superiority Wing (around four squadrons) under the auspices of Kohanudnas (Air Defense Commands Center). The most likely target of acquisition is Eurofighter Typhoon tranche 1 ex Royal Air Forces and they will be mixed with the newly built ones. And if Indonesia doesn't have money because of the limited budget, US government has giving us clearance for more grants of Block 25 F-16.

The most interesting time will come soon

I am sorry but way you are going it seem your government has decided until you face similar things what Ukraine is facing they are not going to learn

 

[Nike]

I am sorry but way you are going it seem your government has decided until you face similar things what Ukraine is facing they are not going to learn

is not we don't have contingency plan Zarvan, even in the past, in the most trouble times we can build our military forces rapidly

 

[katarabhumi]

I am sorry but way you are going it seem your government has decided until you face similar things what Ukraine is facing they are not going to learn

Which country do you perceive is going to "ukraine" us in near future?

 

[anas_nurhafidz]

Landing Formation at night

credit : original uploader (ndan wanda surijohansyah)

 

[CountStrike]

Are you sure from n bell, from the first picture, it look like it developed from super puma, making it look like mi 24 hind, but on the second pic it in deed developed from nbell thus making it look like super cobras, which version is the right one??

sory broos.. that picture actually not Gandhiwa project.. thats my bad

 

[Dante]

I am sorry but way you are going it seem your government has decided until you face similar things what Ukraine is facing they are not going to learn

GunS and butters are still major debate in Indonesia imho, the money are available, but how to spend those money are always a battle for us

But on the bright side means that we are not gonna sacrifice economic growth over military build up, something that we need to keep in mind

Because thats how a great nation being born, US, Japan, China, South Korea, etc

@Nihonjin1051
F18 is not an option for us, unless boeing which teamed with airbus win the competition over LM for design contract on the KFX project

 

[Zarvan]

GunS and butters are still major debate in Indonesia imho, the money are available, but how to spend those money are always a battle for us

But on the bright side means that we are not gonna sacrifice economic growth over military build up, something that we need to keep in mind

Because thats how a great nation being born, US, Japan, China, South Korea, etc

@Nihonjin1051
F18 is not an option for us, unless boeing which teamed with airbus win the competition over LM for design contract on the KFX project

Thinking this way will only invite trouble and attacks

 

[Indos]

It is good for us to see development and preliminary market demand of N-219 and R-80, if those two planes are really success so PT Dirgantara should increase its production scale. Just right after KFX/IFX program is ready in early 2020's, inshaALLAH, PT Dirgantara is likely to have sufficient production scale so we can produce 100 IFX in short time.

In the areas where we are lacking currently (Air Force), there is a good chance that we are going to be the most powerful Air Force beyond 2025 (in the region) if our current government make good strategic policy to make it happen.

As we know, our economy has an opportunity to have rapid growth if there is no oil subsidy anymore which has been already the case in new administration policy. Even right now we are the fastest growth nation in SEA region amid we have 230 million people. Just look at SBY times, where we had to waste 300 Trillion Rupiah each year for oil subsidy in which the money can be better spent in infrastructure investment and yet we still can have 5,5 - 6 percent growth. Jokowi administration should understand that we are going to face the time where we cannot rely anymore on USA to create balance of power in South East Asia Region after 2025. They should think big and they are a very important people to make our transition into Great Power goes smoothly.

Current administration should also help PT Nusantara Turbin (PT DI subsidiary) to grow, it is good to see its cooperation with General Electric recently. Look at SBY's time, where domestic Turbine maker didn't have much project to build power plan since the money comes from China (soft loan), and in return China forces us to use its turbine to generate our new power plan. If Jokowi administration helps this company, we can have some hope where sometime in 2020's we can have our own warship, submarine, aircraft using our own machine. We need to understand that private sectors and government tenders are not clean. So dont hope there will be clean tender (even my brother needs to pay something after his company won tender in telecommunication sector/ how a Muslim entrepreneur/Muslim CEO can grow their companies in this kind of culture ??? ), thats why State Owned Companies should be helped.

(I think Jokowi read PDF though, he went to all of our strategic industry right after my post urging him to do so in here , or it is just a coincident )

 

[Nike]

An officer besides a Ferrari Supercar, this car is used as VVIP Escort in East Java Police Department, Surabaya. East Java Police Department operating two Ferrari Supercar for VVIP Escort. Saturday (7/2/15). (ANTARA FOTO/Suryanto)

Mobil Ferrari Polda Jatim - Foto ANTARA News

Blasphemy, this is an outrageous spending for me. It's will be no matter if they using Double cabin as Operational car, but super car like this is have limited value for people.

 

[initial_d]

Which country do you perceive is going to "ukraine" us in near future?

china sure is a threat in the future...

 

[Nike]

Indonesia, Brunei agree to boost cooperation in defense sector
Minggu, 8 Februari 2015 08:28 WIB | 609 Views

Bandar Seri Begawan (ANTARA News) - The governments of Indonesia and Brunei Darussalam have agreed to increase cooperation in the defense sector, Foreign Affairs Minister Retno L. P. Marsudi said.

"President Joko Widodo offered Brunei several new strategic industrial products," she stated here on Saturday.

The governments of the two countries conducted a bilateral meeting in Nurul Iman Palace, where they also agreed to increase cooperation in the sectors of labor, trade and investment.

"Now that the chambers of commerce of the two countries have signed memoranda of understanding, we hope trade between Indonesia and Brunei can be increased," Marsudi noted.

The Indonesian government also invited investors from Brunei to partake in businesses in Indonesia, including in the development of toll roads, power generators and railways.

In addition, President Jokowi also urged the government of Brunei to be involved in framing legal regulations for the protection of migrant workers.

According to the Indonesian foreign affairs minister, Jokowi also invited the Sultan of Brunei to attend the Asia-Africa Conference in Bandung in April 2015.

At the meeting, the two nations also agreed to cooperate in the health sector, including in medical research and development programs of agencies.

Furthermore, Trade Minister Rachmat Gobel pointed out that there is potential to increase the export value between Brunei Darussalam and Indonesia, such as in the field of agricultural and farm production.

"We hope the export value can be raised to lessen our trade deficit with Brunei Darussalam," Gobel remarked.(*)

Indonesia, Brunei agree to boost cooperation in defense sector - ANTARA News

 

[Jakartans@PkDef]

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An officer besides a Ferrari Supercar, this car is used as VVIP Escort in East Java Police Department, Surabaya. East Java Police Department operating two Ferrari Supercar for VVIP Escort. Saturday (7/2/15). (ANTARA FOTO/Suryanto)

Mobil Ferrari Polda Jatim - Foto ANTARA News

Blasphemy, this is an outrageous spending for me. It's will be no matter if they using Double cabin as Operational car, but super car like this is have limited value for people.

Anggaran polisi 41 triliun utk 2015 .. setengahnya TNI tapi mereka gak perlu beli fregat atau Sukhoi ya beli Ferrari lah

 

[Nike]

Anggaran polisi 41 triliun utk 2015 .. setengahnya TNI tapi mereka gak perlu beli fregat atau Sukhoi ya beli Ferrari lah

they should acquire Offshore Patrol vessels, Light Aircraft and Helicopter instead. And more proper armament for their Sabhara units member

 

[NarThoD]

Anggaran polisi 41 triliun utk 2015 .. setengahnya TNI tapi mereka gak perlu beli fregat atau Sukhoi ya beli Ferrari lah

wait...what? 3-4 billion dollars for the National Police alone? That's why the polices keep buying ferraris and lambos coz they no need to buy heavy armament