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Hingga 2024, TNI AU Incar Rafale, F-15, dan Hercules C-130J

REPUBLIKA.CO.ID, JAKARTA -- Markas Besar Tentara Nasional Indonesia (TNI) menggelar rapat pimpinan TNI di Mabes Cilangkap pada Selasa (17/2). Selain tiga kepala staf, rapim TNI juga dihadiri Menteri Pertahanan (Menhan) Letjen (Purn) Prabowo Subianto dan Panglima TNI Marsekal Hadi Tjahjanto.

Salah satu yang dibahas dalam rapim adalah program utama pembangunan kekuatan TNI periode 2012-2024. Berdasarkan dokumen yang beredar di kalangan wartawan, tiga matra TNI menargetkan mendatangkan beberapa jenis alat utama sistem senjata (alutsista) untuk memperkuat postur pertahanan dan sekaligus modernisasi persenjataan.

Untuk TNI AU, rencananya memodernisasi refurbished semua pesawat tempur. Selain itu, mereka juga melakukan pengadaan pesawat tempur dan angkut, seperti 36 unit Dassault Rafale multi role combat aircraft (MRCA), 15 unit F-15EX, 15 unit Hercules C-130J, hingga dua unit multi role tanker transport (MRTT) tanker.

Selai itu, ada pengadaan 30 radar ground-controlled interception (GCI) dan tiga anunmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) system. Kepala Dinas Penerangan Angkatan Udara (Kadispenau), Marsma Indan Gilang Buldansyah mengatakan, target pembelian semua alutsista itu bisa terpenuhi atau tidak tergantung Kementerian Pertahanan (Kemenhan).

"Harapan TNI AU bisa tercapai, namun untuk timeline detail ada di Kemenhan," ujar Indan kepada Republika, Rabu (17/2).

Di antara pengadaan pesawat, untuk Rafale buatan Prancis sudah menunjukkan progresnya. Pada pekan lalu, Vice President Business Development Dassault Aviation, Jean Claude Piccirillo dan Vice President Offset Dassault, Michael Paskoff bertemu dengan Dirjen Potensi Pertahanan (Pothan) Kemenhan, Mayjen Dadang Hedrayudha di kantor Kemenhan, Jakarta Pusat.

Menurut Dadang, kerja sama pertahanan antara Indonesia dan Prancis banyak memberi manfaat bagi kedua belah pihak. Selain itu, juga diharakan dapat memajukan industri pertahanan Indonesia.

Berdasarkan catatan Republika, pertemuan itu sebagai tindak lanjut surat yang diteken Menhan Prabowo kala bertemu Menhan Prancis Florence Party di Paris, Prancis pada 4 Agustus 2020.

Salah satu isi surat itu, Prabowo ingin mengakuisisi beberapa alutsista buatan Prancis, di antaranya pesawat Dassault Rafale, kapal selam Scorpene dan kapal frigate La Fayette, termasuk pengembangan bersama untuk meningkatkan masa pakai pesawat dan kapal.


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REPUBLIKA.CO.ID, JAKARTA - The Indonesian National Army (TNI) Headquarters held a TNI leadership meeting at Cilangkap Headquarters on Tuesday (17/2). Apart from the three chiefs of staff, the TNI rapim was also attended by the Minister of Defense (Menhan) Lt. Gen. (Ret.) Prabowo Subianto and TNI Commander Marshal Hadi Tjahjanto.
One of the topics discussed in the meeting was the main program for the development of the TNI's strength for the 2012-2024 period. Based on documents circulating among journalists, the three dimensions of the TNI are targeting to bring in several types of main weapon systems (alutsista) to strengthen defense posture and at the same time modernize weapons.
For the Indonesian Air Force, the plan is to modernize refurbished all fighter aircraft. In addition, they also procure combat and transport aircraft, such as 36 Dassault Rafale multi role combat aircraft (MRCA), 15 F-15EX units, 15 Hercules C-130J units, up to two multi role tanker transport (MRTT) tanker units.

In addition, there are 30 ground-controlled interception (GCI) radars and three anunmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) systems. Head of the Air Force Information Service (Kadispenau), Marsma Indan Gilang Buldansyah, said the target to purchase all defense equipment could be fulfilled or not depending on the Ministry of Defense (Kemenhan). "The hope of the Indonesian Air Force can be achieved, but the detailed timeline is at the Ministry of Defense," said Indan to Republika, Wednesday (17/2).

Among aircraft procurement, the French-made Rafale has shown progress. Last week, Dassault Aviation Vice President Business Development, Jean Claude Piccirillo and Dassault Offset Vice President Michael Paskoff met with the Ministry of Defense's Director General of Defense Potential (Pothan), Major General Dadang Hedrayudha at the Ministry of Defense office, Central Jakarta. According to Dadang, defense cooperation between Indonesia and France has provided many benefits for both parties. In addition, it is also hoped that it can advance Indonesia's defense industry.

Based on Republika's records, the meeting was a follow-up to a letter signed by
Defense Minister Prabowo when he met the French Defense Minister Florence Party in Paris, France on August 4, 2020. One of the contents of the letter, Prabowo wants to acquire several French-made defense equipment, including the Dassault Rafale aircraft, the Scorpene submarine and the La Fayette frigate, including joint development to increase the service life of aircraft and ships.


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this is AMAZING
ok menhan, make us proud..lol

 

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now they sell it for civilian, 600jt..

 

[Indos]

 

[Indos]

S. Korea in final stage of assembling first prototype of indigenous fighter jet


By Yonhap

Published : Jan 31, 2021 - 09:14 Updated : Jan 31, 2021 - 09:14

This photo provided by the Defense Acquisition Program Administration on Sept. 3, 2020, shows a prototype of South Korea's envisioned fighter jet being assembled at the Korea Aerospace Industries Co. facility in Sacheon, South Gyeongsang Province, southeastern South Korea. Under the KF-X project worth 8.8 trillion won ($7.3 billion), South Korea has been working since late 2015 to develop a homegrown cutting-edge fighter aircraft to replace the Air Force's aging fleet of F-4 and F-5 jets. (Defense Acquisition Program Administration

South Korea is in the final stage of assembling a prototype of what would be the country's first indigenously developed fighter jet, which is expected to be unveiled in April, officials said Sunday.

South Korea has been working on the KF-X project since 2015 to develop a homegrown cutting-edge fighter aircraft to replace the Air Force's aging fleet of F-4 and F-5 jets.

In September last year, Korea Aerospace Industries Co. (KAI) got down to the final assembly of a prototype jet and is now in the final stage, according to officials of the Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA).

The prototype is expected to be made public in a rollout event in around end-April, weeks ahead of schedule, they added.

The procurement agency is eyeing 2026 for the completion of development after ground and flight tests. Forty units are planned to be delivered to the Air Force by 2028 and another 80 units by 2032, the officials said.

The aircraft is designed to be able to fly at a maximum speed of Mach 1.81, with its flying range reaching 2,900 kilometers. It bears outward similarities to the fifth-generation F-35A, according to the KAI.

With a maximum payload of 7,700 kilograms, the fighter is capable of installing 10 pods for missiles and fuel barrels. It will be able to carry several types of air-to-air missiles, such as Germany's IRIS-T and European developer MBDA's active radar guided Meteor missiles, it added.

"KF-X is categorized as a '4.5' generation fighter jet. But the platform is designed to be converted into an advanced, fifth-generation one at any time," a DAPA official said. (Yonhap)

S. Korea in final stage of assembling first prototype of indigenous fighter jet

South Korea is in the final stage of assembling a prototype of what would be the country's first indigenously developed fighter jet, which is expected to be unveiled in April, officials said Sunday. South Korea has been working on the KF-X project since 2015 to develop a homegrown cutting-edge...

www.koreaherald.com

 

[Whizzack]

Indonesia raises plans to procure Rafale and F-15EX fighters, several other new assets
FEBRUARY 18, 2021
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The F-15EX from Boeing. Photo c/o Air Force Magazine.

The Indonesian National Armed Forces (TNI) plans to bring in new fighter, transport and tanker aircraft for the Indonesian Air Force (TNI-AU) under a plan covering years 2021 to 2024.

According to reports from Indonesian press, a document was released from a TNI meeting showing plans to modernize all its existing fighter aircraft, as well as procuring 36 new Rafale fighters from France, 15 F-15EX Eagle fighters and 15 C-130J Super Hercules transport aircraft from the United States, and 2 new Multi-Role Tanker Transport (MRTT) aircraft.

Also part of their plan is the acquisition of 30 Ground Control Interception (GCI) radars, and 3 Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) Systems.

The fulfillment of these plans will be dependent on the Indonesian Ministry of Defence (MOD), which will be in charge of approving the plan and obtaining funding from the government.

The TNI-AU has been active in looking for new fighters to replace older models and increase its combat capabilities. It currently has a contract with Russia for the delivery of 11 Sukhoi Su-35, but has not been able to proceed, apparently due to CAATSA issues with the United States.

Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto met with his French counterpart Defense Minister Florence Parly in France on August 2020, and since then, discussions on potential export of French defense equipment to Indonesia, including the Rafale fighter from Dassault Aviation, has been ongoing.

The US Department of Defense was also reported to not having any objections on selling Boeing’s F-15EX Eagle fighter to the Indonesian government, in place of the Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter. The US DOD was also said to have offered the F-16 Block 70/72 Viper and F/A-18E/F Super Hornet to the Indonesian government.

The TNI-AU is also looking for ways to replace its ageing fleet of legacy C-130 Hercules transport and tanker aircraft, with the C-130J Super Hercules said to be the most logical choice, while plans for a new pair of aerial refuelling tanker aircraft has been discussed since 2019.

Indonesia raises plans to procure Rafale and F-15EX fighters, several other new assets

The F-15EX from Boeing. Photo c/o Air Force Magazine . The Indonesian National Armed Forces (TNI) plans to bring in new fighter, transport...

www.asiapacificdefensejournal.com

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

Passex between KRI Bung Tomo and INS Talwar in the Arabian Sea

 

[Indos]

From what we know, the approved budget for fighters which include older fighter refurbishment and possibly upgrade is less than 1.6 billion USD according to Alman Helvast. Lets say fighters acquisition will need 1.2 billion USD while Refurbishment/upgrade for 30 Hawks and some Sukhoi may need 200 million, so in total it would be likely 1.4 billion USD while new acquisition is 1.2 billion USD.

The 1.2 BILLION USD figure is actually similar with SU 35 deal, so it look like we are not going to buy SU 35 due to the fear of CATSA that can possibly endanger KFX/IFX program, instead we plan to buy F 15 EX which is actually similar in role and class with SU 35. F 15 EX also has good endurance and can carry many missiles and bombs. It is regarded as heavy fighters.

While Rafale is actually similar like KFX/IFX block 1 in performance and class where KFX/IFX will be more STEALTHY. This is why the need for Rafale is not necessary and redundant because in 2026 KFX/IFX will enter mass production inshaAllah. Better use the money for paying KFX/IFX development program and also the rest money can be used to buy more KFX/IFX which can be already in block 2 configuration ( 5 generation fighters)

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Now about F 15 EX

According to this news, US congress approves 1.2 billion USD budget to buy 12 F 15 EX (Not only 8).

"Congress first included funds in December to purchase eight F-15EXs through the fiscal 2020 spending bill, and lawmakers approved spending $1.2 billion to buy 12 F-15EXs in fiscal 2021."

Boeing’s F-15EX jet makes its first flight

If that is the case so the figure is not different with SU 35 deal in term of the total figure. SU 35 deal will be payed in half by using barter though and the rest by cash, that is the only different and the number is for 11 planes. The budget for this actually has been approved some years ago so this is the one that I think will likely go ahead.

Despite all this, I hope government can pay its commitment in KFX/IFX program first and continue the program before making any deal with Boeing for possible F 15 EX acquisition.

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Any way I have asked CNN Indonesia senior producer (friend of mine) to make live coverage during KFX/IFX prototype roll out in Korea in April, lets see who will be blamed if Prabowo screw Indonesia participation in KFX/IFX program.............

 

[Whizzack]

From what we know, the approved budget for fighters which include older fighter refurbishment and possibly upgrade is less than 1.6 billion USD according to Alman Helvast. Lets say fighters acquisition will need 1.2 billion USD while Refurbishment/upgrade for 30 Hawks and some Sukhoi may need 200 million, so in total it would be likely 1.4 billion USD while new acquisition is 1.2 billion USD.

The 1.2 BILLION USD figure is actually similar with SU 35 deal, so it look like we are not going to buy SU 35 due to the fear of CATSA that can possibly endanger KFX/IFX program, instead we plan to buy F 15 EX which is actually similar in role and class with SU 35. F 15 EX also has good endurance and can carry many missiles and bombs. It is regarded as heavy fighters.

While Rafale is actually similar like KFX/IFX block 1 in performance and class where KFX/IFX will be more STEALTHY. This is why the need for Rafale is not necessary and redundant because in 2026 KFX/IFX will enter mass production inshaAllah. Better use the money for paying KFX/IFX development program and also the rest money can be used to buy more KFX/IFX which can be already in block 2 configuration ( 5 generation fighters)

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Now about F 15 EX

According to this news, US congress approves 1.2 billion USD budget to buy 12 F 15 EX (Not only 8).

"Congress first included funds in December to purchase eight F-15EXs through the fiscal 2020 spending bill, and lawmakers approved spending $1.2 billion to buy 12 F-15EXs in fiscal 2021."

Boeing’s F-15EX jet makes its first flight

If that is the case so the figure is not different with SU 35 deal in term of the total figure. SU 35 deal will be payed in half by using barter though and the rest by cash, that is the only different and the number is for 11 planes. The budget for this actually has been approved some years ago so this is the one that I think will likely go ahead.

Despite all this, I hope government can pay its commitment in KFX/IFX program first and continue the program before making any deal with Boeing for possible F 15 EX acquisition.

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The already approved USD 1,6B budget allocation for new fighters is just for this fiscal year right...? For the next fiscal year we will need to budget it again...? Because if USD 1,6B is the whole allocation for 2020 - 2024, then I don't see how we can get a new full sqd (16) fighters with just that measly budget... Not Rafale, and certainly not F-15EX.. perhaps just a half sqd at best... hell, I doubt we can even get a full sqd of Vipers with just that...

The US may get 12 F-15EX for USD 1,2B but that's because they already have existing support infrastructure for F-15s in place, for us they will need to package it with additional support, training, spares, ToT etc... and that will cost us a lot more... I also don't buy those US fanboys claim that says we can integrate the F-15s easily just because we already have F-16s... F-15s and F-16s are very different beasts, they were produced by different manufacturers, have different design/airframe/parts/subsystems/electronics/etc, even the most often repeated claim of having engine commonality is not true.. Our existing F-16s use PW, the blk.72 Viper use PW, while F-15EX uses GE... so I don't see how our existing infrastructure can support the F-15EX... To buy either the Rafale or F-15EX (or even Su-35) we will need to invest in totally new support facilities... So all are equal in that regards..

Any way I have asked CNN Indonesia senior producer (friend of mine) to make live coverage during KFX/IFX prototype roll out in Korea in April, lets see who will be blamed if Prabowo screw Indonesia participation in KFX/IFX program.............

Please do..! The more exposure the better..! Now that the KFX has physically appeared, those in charge in our MoD can no longer drag their feet and claim it as just a paper airplane...

 

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KOMPAS.TV - Kepala Staf Angkatan Udara (KSAU) Marsekal TNI Fajar Prasetyo mengungkapkan Indonesia dalam waktu dekat akan mendatangkan sejumlah alat utama sistem persenjataan (alutsista) modern.

Alutsista yang segera didatangkan yakni Pesawat Tempur F-15 Ex buatan Boeing. Selain F-15 EX, TNI AU juga akan memiliki pesawat Dassault Rafale buatan Perancis. Tak hanya itu, alutsista modern lainnya yang akan melengkapan kekuatan pertahanan indonesia yakni Pesawat Tanker Multi Role dan pesawat tanpa awak.
"Mulai tahun ini hingga tahun 2024, kita akan segera merealisasikan akuisisi berbagai alutsista modern secara bertahap," ujar KSAU dalam sambutan pada Rapat Pimpinan (Rapim) TNI AU 2021 di Markas Besar TNI AU, Cilangkap, Jakarta Timur, Kamis (18/2/2021).

KSAU menyebut, Menteri Pertahanan (Menhan) Prabowo Subianto telah berupaya melaksanakan diplomasi pertahanan dengan sejumlah negara sahabat. Diplomasi ini digelar guna mempercepat proses pembangunan kekuatan TNI, salah satunya yakni belanja alutsista mutakhir.

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our Chief of Staff of the Indonesian Air Force (KSAU) himself, speaks about f-15 ex, dassault rafale, mrtt and drone in RAPIM TNI.
so the document leaked is true.
guys, now all is cleared.
so all we have to do is wait and sit manis
ok menhan, make us proud...
strength & honor

 

[J.Brody]

Indonesia Putuskan untuk Borong 36 Jet Tempur Rafale dan 8 F-15EX
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Jum'at, 19 Februari 2021 - 07:00 WIB
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Pesawat jet tempur F-15EX buatan Boeing. Foto/National Interest

JAKARTA - Indonesia akan membeli sejumlah jet tempur F-15EX dari Boeing dan pesawat tempur Rafale dari Prancis antara 2021 dan 2024. Menurut dokumen pertemuan Rapat Pimpinan Angkatan Udara hari Kamis, negara ini akan memborong 36 jet tempur Rafale dan delapan F-15EX.

Dari 44 jet tempur yang akan dibeli, enam di antaranya diharapkan tiba pada tahun 2022.

Indonesia Putuskan untuk Borong 36 Jet Tempur Rafale dan 8 F-15EX

Rencana pengadaan alutsista Indonesia mengalami perubahan beberapa kali karena kondisi global maupun kondisi negara. Indonesia akan membeli sejumlah jet tempur...

international.sindonews.com

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So Rafale amount is down from 48 to 36, and we will only have less than a Squadron of F-15 EX, however i still believe this amount is still a great purchase for A, considering that years ago Singapore was contemplating between the two aircraft before choosing F-15. and now we are about to have both! (although kinda hoping F-15 EX will be at least 11 or 12.

not to mention other supporting aircraft as well (C-130J, MRTT) has been confirmed so be it.

 

[Indos]

The already approved USD 1,6B budget allocation for new fighters is just for this fiscal year right...? For the next fiscal year we will need to budget it again...? Because if USD 1,6B is the whole allocation for 2020 - 2024, then I don't see how we can get a new full sqd (16) fighters with just that measly budget... Not Rafale, and certainly not F-15EX.. perhaps just a half sqd at best... hell, I doubt we can even get a full sqd of Vipers with just that...

The US may get 12 F-15EX for USD 1,2B but that's because they already have existing support infrastructure for F-15s in place, for us they will need to package it with additional support, training, spares, ToT etc... and that will cost us a lot more... I also don't buy those US fanboys claim that says we can integrate the F-15s easily just because we already have F-16s... F-15s and F-16s are very different beasts, they were produced by different manufacturers, have different design/airframe/parts/subsystems/electronics/etc, even the most often repeated claim of having engine commonality is not true.. Our existing F-16s use PW, the blk.72 Viper use PW, while F-15EX uses GE... so I don't see how our existing infrastructure can support the F-15EX... To buy either the Rafale or F-15EX (or even Su-35) we will need to invest in totally new support facilities... So all are equal in that regards..

1.6 billion USD is for total budget since Lembaga Keris said it is for this period. Well if some one said period so it means JKW second period (2019-2024), and not this fiscal year. Any way it is impossible to have 1.6 billion USD just for Air Force new equipment acquisition for 2021 budget since it is already more than 10 % of total defense budget, most of Defense Budget goes to routine expenses like salary, operational cost, and others, not to mention other branch (Army and Navy) new equipment acquisition yearly budget.

We have seen the budget for 2021 right ? Yup, the new fighter acquisition has been approved but the budget for that is very small. You can scroll Lembaga Keris to look up on the budget that is intended to replace F 5 squadron. From the amount we could say that it is only for the yearly payment for the loan.

Alman later said that 1.6 billion USD is not only for new acquisition, but also for other fighter program (could be the refurbishment and upgrade of the older fighters).

Please do..! The more exposure the better..! Now that the KFX has physically appeared, those in charge in our MoD can no longer drag their feet and claim it as just a paper airplane...

Well I have already asked him (as friend) to cover the KFX/IFX roll out ceremony in Korea, but I am not his boss, so lets see whether CNN Indonesia will do it or not ........

Any way Indonesia KFX/IFX engineers havent been sent back to Korea. I got valid info on this one.

 

[Gundala]

Alman later said that 1.6 billion USD is not only for new acquisition, but also for other fighter program (could be the refurbishment and upgrade of the older fighters).

Here is my take. The F5 replacement using the carry over budget of SU35 is around USD1.1bil, this most likely switched to F15 if Mindef said the delivery is going to be this year. The rest of it will use 2022 budget or even 2023. Rafale contract might be signed this year but will be using the budget of 2022. All budget for 2022 will have to be done in first semester of this year and will go to DPR to get finalized.

Those refurbishment & upgrade that we talked about might be for the rest of F16 A/B and T50i which already been approved and contract has been signed but might not be effective yet due to budget cut last year. AFAIK the upgrade of Hawk budget has not been set yet, but the upgrade of the F16 block 25id to be in par with AM/BM might be done partly via "Optimalisasi budget" (just like those grounded chopper from Penerbad who got extra Rp 1.6T for harwat/upgrade). If my memory serves me right I read in one media that it might cost around USD 250ish Mil. So yeah it sure can be done via Optimalisasi budget.

Alman might know a thing or two via his Kemenhan sources but things like tambahan dana untuk optimalisasi aset that use Rupiah wont go thru Kemenhan but thru DPR, and this is the domain of TNI/each Matra themselves. Basically if the asset purchase need Foreign loan it will go thru Kemenhan (from type of assets, numbers of assets, origin of assets, etc), they will decide those things. If no foreign loan involved then its up to TNI/each matra.

 

[J.Brody]

According to LembagaKeris, we are ordering 36 F-15 EX instead!

 

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NEW THALES FORCESHIELD AIR DEFENSE SYSTEM ARRIVAL

Batalyon Arhanud 12 Satria Bhuana KODAM SRIWIJAYA

 

[foodsoldier]

The already approved USD 1,6B budget allocation for new fighters is just for this fiscal year right...? For the next fiscal year we will need to budget it again...? Because if USD 1,6B is the whole allocation for 2020 - 2024, then I don't see how we can get a new full sqd (16) fighters with just that measly budget... Not Rafale, and certainly not F-15EX.. perhaps just a half sqd at best... hell, I doubt we can even get a full sqd of Vipers with just that...

The US may get 12 F-15EX for USD 1,2B but that's because they already have existing support infrastructure for F-15s in place, for us they will need to package it with additional support, training, spares, ToT etc... and that will cost us a lot more... I also don't buy those US fanboys claim that says we can integrate the F-15s easily just because we already have F-16s... F-15s and F-16s are very different beasts, they were produced by different manufacturers, have different design/airframe/parts/subsystems/electronics/etc, even the most often repeated claim of having engine commonality is not true.. Our existing F-16s use PW, the blk.72 Viper use PW, while F-15EX uses GE... so I don't see how our existing infrastructure can support the F-15EX... To buy either the Rafale or F-15EX (or even Su-35) we will need to invest in totally new support facilities... So all are equal in that regards..


Please do..! The more exposure the better..! Now that the KFX has physically appeared, those in charge in our MoD can no longer drag their feet and claim it as just a paper airplane...

You forgot to mention PLN (pembiayaan luar negeri) or foreign loan.

In the case of French products acquisition alone, they've offered $11 billion soft loan.

South Korea may also offer soft loan for naval assets.