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3 Days before 3 Indonesian warships and two French warships FS Vendemiaire & a nuclear-powered submarine FS Emeraude joint exercise.
a US. nuclear-powered aircraft carrier USS Nimitz (CVN-68) and 2 warships USS Princeton (CG-59) & USS Sterett (DDG-104) convoy,
passed thru Malaka Straits

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AIS: actually not 3 but 4 US. vessels
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meanwhile in North Natuna Sea, 4rd february 2021
Indonesian Navy KRI Bontang (907) detected and intercepted a
Chinese Navy (536) a type 054A class frigate inside Indonesia's eez in North Natuna Sea.

what are you doing there , waiting Nimitz? lol

10 months earlier, on 4th may 2020
a China CG detected and intercepted in almost same spot

 

[Whizzack]

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meanwhile in North Natuna Sea, 4rd february 2021
Indonesian Navy KRI Bontang (907) detected and intercepted a
Chinese Navy (536) a type 054A class frigate inside Indonesia's eez in North Natuna Sea.
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what are you doing there , waiting Nimitz? lol
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10 months earlier, on 4th may 2020
a China CG detected and intercepted in almost same spot
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We were patrolling (and intercepting it) with an oiler ship though ... on the other hand, the oiler can patrol in the area for a veeerryyy long time without needing to refuel...

 

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Wednesday, February 10, 2021
Abeking & Rasmussen Order Complete MAN 175D Hybrid-Propulsion Packages for Indonesian Navy Minehunters

German yard, Abeking & Rasmussen, has announced that it has begun the construction of two minehunting vessels for the Indonesian Navy. Each vessel will feature a complete MAN hybrid propulsion package, with:

• 2 × MAN 12V175D-MM engines delivering 2,220 kW at 1,900 rpm
• an MAN Alpha CPP twin screw-propeller system including Alphatronic 3000 propulsion-control system for efficient and flexible maneuvering
• an AKA hybrid PTI system for silent operation while minehunting (slow speed with pure electric propulsion).

Ben Andres, Head of High-Speed Sales, MAN Energy Solutions said: “The 175D engine is ideally suited for demanding naval applications where its compactness and best-in-class fuel-oil consumption are always key criteria for customers. Delivering propulsion packages to these two minehunters also fulfills our ambition to increasingly becoming a supplier of complete solutions. This is the first time that we have worked with Abeking & Rasmussen and I look forward to further developing our relationship in the future.”
This order adds to other 12V175D-MM engines already in operation aboard several other Indonesian Navy patrol vessels.

The new business adds to recent 175D orders that MAN Energy Solutions won late last year, including 16 units for four corvettes for the Finnish Navy; and complete propulsion packages for two OPV-45 offshore patrol vessels – featuring a total of 4 × 175D engines – that are currently under construction at Israel Shipyards in Haifa for an undisclosed African navy.
About the MAN 175D engine

MAN Energy Solutions has developed the MAN 175D engine range to supplement and complete its product portfolio in the maritime sector. In three variants of 12, 16 and 20 cylinders, the engine is available with an output ranging from 1,500 to 4,400 kilowatts and is optimised for propelling ferries, offshore supply vessels, tug boats and other working vessels. Other market areas, such as super-yachts and naval marine applications are also served by additional, specialist model versions.
It is also an extremely eco-friendly engine, being designed from the outset with compliance to the latest, as well as future, exhaust-gas-emission requirements and utilises a very compact and flexible SCR system, which enables vessel designers to optimise space on board to the maximum.

 

[Zarvan]

Salaam brothers from Indonesia. As you are all aware that China and USA are now pretty much unofficial enemies and your region is going to be the biggest flashpoint for next few decades. Sorry to say but Indonesia despite being a big country is awfully unprepared for this situation. Specially your Air Force as it lacks numbers even in Submarines you are behind. Indonesia needs to act fast to come up with numbers for its Air Force and also increase its submarine force along with may be adding Destroyers. Your region for at least next 30 to 40 is going to be big flash point. Malaysia also isn't prepared.

@Indos @Whizzack @182 @Titanium100 and others what you think

 

[Asteric]

Salaam brothers from Indonesia. As you are all aware that China and USA are now pretty much unofficial enemies and your region is going to be the biggest flashpoint for next few decades. Sorry to say but Indonesia despite being a big country is awfully unprepared for this situation. Specially your Air Force as it lacks numbers even in Submarines you are behind. Indonesia needs to act fast to come up with numbers for its Air Force and also increase its submarine force along with may be adding Destroyers. Your region for at least next 30 to 40 is going to be big flash point. Malaysia also isn't prepared.

what you think

You forget that we have the most classified top secret weapon. very effective and efficient weapon.

this is a high-tech weaponry, the bullet very high-speed unseen by naked eyes. can curve and turn and prey on its target where ever they are!

 

[toke115]

Salaam brothers from Indonesia. As you are all aware that China and USA are now pretty much unofficial enemies and your region is going to be the biggest flashpoint for next few decades. Sorry to say but Indonesia despite being a big country is awfully unprepared for this situation. Specially your Air Force as it lacks numbers even in Submarines you are behind. Indonesia needs to act fast to come up with numbers for its Air Force and also increase its submarine force along with may be adding Destroyers. Your region for at least next 30 to 40 is going to be big flash point. Malaysia also isn't prepared.

@Indos @Whizzack @182 @Titanium100 and others what you think

We also have this guy...

he is the most badass SF commander in the universe

 

[Indos]

Salaam brothers from Indonesia. As you are all aware that China and USA are now pretty much unofficial enemies and your region is going to be the biggest flashpoint for next few decades. Sorry to say but Indonesia despite being a big country is awfully unprepared for this situation. Specially your Air Force as it lacks numbers even in Submarines you are behind. Indonesia needs to act fast to come up with numbers for its Air Force and also increase its submarine force along with may be adding Destroyers. Your region for at least next 30 to 40 is going to be big flash point. Malaysia also isn't prepared.

@Indos @Whizzack @182 @Titanium100 and others what you think

Walaikum Salam brother,

The key is to stay neutral and keep developing economy and technology. Economy and technology are two crucial things that Indonesia must develop. Take a look on what ancient Indonesia did. Aceh Sultanate for example, what they were doing was just buying weapon from Turkey to withstand from Portugal and then Dutch continous attack, later they are absorbed by Dutch in 1900 after long and bloody war.

Nope, we dont want to be donkey and do the same mistake. The recipe to withstand from current dominant power is to follow Japan footstep. Ancient Japanese were working on education, industrialization, and R&D, making their own weapon during Meiji restoration and dont do any mess and provoking any world power during the long build up process

Indonesian ancient kingdoms on the meantime just did shortcut and bought weapon from Turkey to go against Western power. Do you see what happen between those nations afterwards ? Japanese become world power and Indonesia get colonized.

Indonesia civil society also must stay united and respect democracy. Get divided is also one of the reason we were colonized in the past, while Japan and China get united as one country and can survive from Western colonization.

Bonus;

 

[Zarvan]

The key is to stay neutral and keep developing economy and technology. Economy and technology are two crucial things that Indonesia must develop. Take a look on what ancient Indonesia did. Aceh Sultanate for example, what they were doing was just buying weapon from Turkey to withstand from Portugal and then Dutch continous attack, later they are absorbed by Dutch in 1900 after long and bloody war.

Nope, we dont want to be donkey and do the same mistake. The recipe to withstand from current dominant power is to follow Japan footstep. Ancient Japanese were working on education, industrialization, and R&D, making their own weapon during Meiji restoration and dont do any mess and provoking any world power during the long build up process

Indonesian ancient kingdoms on the meantime just did shortcut and bought weapon from Turkey to go against Western power. Do you see what happen between those nations afterwards ? Japanese become world power and Indonesia get colonized.

Indonesia civil society also must stay united and respect democracy. Get divided is also one of the reason we were colonized in the past, while Japan and China get united as one country and can survive from Western colonization.

Bonus;

Even if you somehow manage to stay neutral, although that is impossible and also you yourself have conflict with China. Still for sake of argument even if we assume you somehow manage to stay neutral even then for your own defence you are way way behind.

 

[Indos]

Even if you somehow manage to stay neutral, although that is impossible and also you yourself have conflict with China. Still for sake of argument even if we assume you somehow manage to stay neutral even then for your own defence you are way way behind.

Nope, current power cannot withstand from China. Only fools think that we can protect Natuna sea if China want to get it by force. Do you know how much China defense spending and compare it to Indonesia ?

Anyway the dispute is only in EEZ, no need to make exaggeration over the dispute.

The only way to witshand from superpower is to do our Meiji restoration and believe that we can do what others can and be patience during the process.

 

[Indos]

Negotiations under way with Indonesia over fighter jet project: official

14:53 February 09, 2021


SEOUL, Feb. 9 (Yonhap) -- South Korea is in talks with Indonesia about a joint project to develop a next-generation fighter jet, the head of the arms procurement agency said Tuesday, amid speculation that the Southeast Asian nation wants to quit the project.

Indonesia agreed to partner in South Korea's KF-X project aimed at developing a new fighter jet by 2026, and promised to shoulder 20 percent of the total development cost of 8.8 trillion won (US$7.3 billion), or about 1.7 trillion won.


But Indonesia stopped making payments after investing 227.2 billion won, with around 600 billion won overdue.

"We are in the process of sounding out each other's position," Kang Eun-ho, chief of the Defense Acquisition Program Administration, said during a press briefing. "We will elaborate in detail when the time is right."

Indonesia's initial goal was to procure aircraft for its air force and advance the country's aerospace industry through the partnership but foreign media have been reporting that the Southeast Asian nation is now pushing to sign a deal with France to purchase new fighter jets.

South Korea has been working on the KF-X project since 2015 to develop a homegrown cutting-edge fighter aircraft to replace the Air Force's aging fleet of F-4 and F-5 jets.

In September last year, Korea Aerospace Industries Co. got down to the final assembly of a prototype that is expected to be made public by April.

When the development is complete, 40 units are planned to be delivered to the Air Force by 2028 and another 80 units by 2032, officials said.

Meanwhile, Kang also vowed to thoroughly prepare to secure a light aircraft carrier for the military, saying that multiple researches are under way for the project.

"We will make thorough preparations to make sure there are no setbacks in pushing for the project when the budget is secured at the National Assembly," he said.

Negotiations under way with Indonesia over fighter jet project: official | Yonhap News Agency

SEOUL, Feb. 9 (Yonhap) -- South Korea is in talks with Indonesia about a joint project to ...

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The media made mistake since the program is started in 2010 where the join research started since 2011.

RI sending KFX jet-fighter production team to South Korea - ANTARA News

Indonesia is sending a KFX warplane production engineering team to South Korea as part of a cooperation agreement between the two nations to produce ...

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First phase development is only between ADD Korea and Indonesia Aerospace + Bandung Institute of Technology. According to Defense Ministry website, Indonesia send 52 aerospace expert during first phase.

Badan Pendidikan dan Pelatihan Kemhan RI

www.kemhan.go.id

During detail design phase completion (2019) there were 114 Indonesian engineers working in KAI for design and prototype development.

Indonesia delays payment for S. Korea's fighter development project | Yonhap News Agency

SEOUL, Oct. 7 (Yonhap) -- Indonesia is in arrears on its payment obligations for a joint p...

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[Gundala]

Still for sake of argument even if we assume you somehow manage to stay neutral even then for your own defence you are way way behind

Disintegration is also a threat, more dangerous then current China direct threat to our EEZ in my oppinion. With the current social media hoax, proxy war and any other kind of covert war this can be real. And to withstand those we need welfare and economic growth. The latest one will also can increase our Military spending, so I think the govt try to balancing the threat and find a way to balance the China power in the region. This doesnt mean that we ignore military development, we are trying our best but within the budget limitation not to jeopardize economic development in general.

Having one overseas enemy is easier to deal with compare to "sleeping" enemies from within ourselves.

 

[striver44]

Disintegration is also a threat, more dangerous then current China direct threat to our EEZ in my oppinion. With the current social media hoax, proxy war and any other kind of covert war this can be real. And to withstand those we need welfare and economic growth. The latest one will also can increase our Military spending, so I think the govt try to balancing the threat and find a way to balance the China power in the region. This doesnt mean that we ignore military development, we are trying our best but within the budget limitation not to jeopardize economic development in general.

Having one overseas enemy is easier to deal with compare to "sleeping" enemies from within ourselves.

This is the kind of mentality why the armed forces are always mediocre. You have the police to do that. Having an army that look inwards almost at the whole time in it's history and we saw the results now.

 

[Whizzack]

Salaam brothers from Indonesia. As you are all aware that China and USA are now pretty much unofficial enemies and your region is going to be the biggest flashpoint for next few decades. Sorry to say but Indonesia despite being a big country is awfully unprepared for this situation. Specially your Air Force as it lacks numbers even in Submarines you are behind. Indonesia needs to act fast to come up with numbers for its Air Force and also increase its submarine force along with may be adding Destroyers. Your region for at least next 30 to 40 is going to be big flash point. Malaysia also isn't prepared.

@Indos @Whizzack @182 @Titanium100 and others what you think

Waalaikum salaam brother..
Unfortunately it's true that we are totally unprepared for such great power conflict in our neighborhood... Ever since the establishment of ASEAN and the end of the cold war, we have been in good terms with each other and thus is not pressured to keep on spending a lot of resources and budget on our militaries... I believe only Singapore and Vietnam has the best military readiness in ASEAN for now..

That being said, I don't believe there will be any major conflict in SCS anytime soon... A US-China conflict in Taiwan is more likely, especially if Taiwan (with US support) formally declares independence... In my opinion, as long as either side (US or China) doesn't attacks us directly, we'll stay neutral... No different to during the Korean War and Vietnam War... Of course commercial shipping safety in SCS will be heavily affected in such conflict, but we need to remember that we have much more trade with China than with the US, so it's unlikely China will be attacking our (or any other neutral ASEAN) commercial ships in SCS.. more likely it's the US that will try to disrupt trade in the SCS as a way to choke China...

 

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[Whizzack]

The French Dassault team visited the Ministry of Defense to process the acquisition of the Rafale fighter jets.

Category Defense
Posted on February 12, 2021
Author Roni Sontani

AIRSPACE REVIEW (airspace-review.com) - A team from the Dassault Aviation factory, France visited the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Indonesia (Kemhan) in Jakarta to formulate the acquisition process for the Rafale fighter jet by Indonesia on Thursday, February 11, 2021.
The Dassault team consists of Dassault Aviation Business Development Vice President Jean Claude Piccirillo and Dassault Vice President Offset Michael Paskoff.

Their arrival was received by the Director General of Defense Potential (Ditjen Pothan) of the Ministry of Defense, Maj. Gen. Dadang Hendrayudha and the Director of Defense Industry Technology (Dirtekindhan) Laksma TNI Sri Yanto.
The Director General of Pothan welcomed the arrival of the Dassault Team in the context of the cooperation in the acquisition of the Rafale multi-role fighter aircraft produced by Dassault Aviation.

Kemhan
He hopes that the defense cooperation between Indonesia and France will provide many benefits for both parties and can advance Indonesia's defense industry.

As Airspace Review quoted from the Ministry of Defense's website, it was stated that the discussion of offsetting the procurement of Rafaleaircraft was running in a family atmosphere and was expected to provide progress for both parties and could be realized immediately.

As previously reported, Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto on October 21, 2020 met with the Minister of the French Armed Forces Florence Parly in Paris.
La Tribune from France wrote that at that time Prabowo told Parly about Indonesia's interest in acquiring Rafale fighter jets .

Roni Sontani / AR
On December 3, 2020, Reuters reported on the progress of the plan to acquire the Rafale fighter jet by Jakarta. It was said that Florence Parly stated that the negotiations by the Indonesian government to buy 36 Rafales (previously reported as 48) were in progress.
"Very advanced," said Parly at the time.
However, he continued at that time, France still needed time to study it before carrying out the signing with Indonesia.
Roni Sont

Tim Dassault datangi Kemhan untuk proses akuisisi jet tempur Rafale

Tim dari pabrik Dassault Aviation, Perancis mendatangi Kementerian Pertahanan Republik Indonesia (Kemhan) di Jakarta untuk merumuskan

www.airspace-review.com