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[Kansel]

Curtiss-Wright Selected by KAI to Provide Complete Data Acquisition System Solution for KF-X

10 Juni 2020



Axon miniature data acquisition system (photo : Curtiss Weight)

ASHBURN, Va. – Curtiss-Wright’s Defense Solutions division, a trusted leading supplier of flight test instrumentation (FTI) system solutions, today announced that it was awarded a contract by Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) to provide a complete data acquisition system (DAS) for use in flight-test campaigns for the new 5th generation Korean Fighter eXperimental (KF-X) multirole fighter aircraft. Under the contract, Curtiss-Wright will provide KAI with a complete FTI system that gathers and processes data from the aircraft during test flights.

The fully integrated DAS solution will feature Curtiss-Wright’s next-generation Axon™ miniature data acquisition unit (DAU), the FTI industry’s most compact and high speed DAU. In addition, the DAS will include Curtiss-Wright’s KAM-500™ DAUs, NSW-12GT-1 12-Port Gigabit airborne network switches, TTS-9800-2 tri-band transmitter, nEUP-2000-1 engineering unit processor, ANT-00800T-1 L/S-band antenna, LDP-050-AB-1 airborne-rugged 5-inch diagonal display and GPS-FLR-100-1 active GPS splitter. Shipments, which are expected to begin in August 2020, are scheduled to run through the end of the year.

"We are very proud that our industry-leading integrated data acquisition technology has been selected by Korea Aerospace Industries to support the important 5th generation K-FX fighter jet program, further strengthening our long and successful relationship,” said Lynn Bamford, President, Defense and Power Segments. “Curtiss-Wright uniquely offers the components and expertise needed to provide FTI customers with complete fully integrated FTI system solutions. We are especially pleased, as this contract represents the largest win to date for our industry-leading Axon data acquisition system technology, as well as the first 5th generation fighter jet deployment for Axon.”

Flight-test campaigns are critical to determine that a new aircraft meets design specifications, is functional and safe, and can be certified for use. Such campaigns require significant resources and any delays are very costly, making it critically important that all FTI equipment work reliably to ensure that no unplanned extra flights are needed.

About the Axon Product Family

The Axon product family is the most advanced airborne data acquisition system available today, offering low size, weight and power (SWaP) with the best feature set, data acquisition and thermal performance on the market. The Axon product family builds on Curtiss-Wright’s heritage as the leading supplier of rugged reliable data acquisition for aerospace applications.

Axon’s future proof design, using a high-speed serial backplane (1 Gbps dedicated link per module), ensures future high data rates are supported. Its low SWaP design means it can be located in tight spaces and operate reliably without requiring bulky heatsinks. This design also allows any of the Axon family user modules to be placed in ultra-miniature "Axonite" housings and located remotely, separated from the chassis by up to 10 meters. Locating data acquisition closer to the sensors can significantly decrease the installation time and cost of the instrumentation while simultaneously reducing wiring weight. Axonites can also offer significant system cost saving in larger installations by reducing the number of DAUs required in remote locations and thus cutting down on extra chassis, controller and power supply costs.

Curtiss-Wright designed the products covered by this agreement at its Aerospace Instrumentation facilities in Newtown, Pennsylvania and Dublin, Ireland. The products are being shipped to KAI in Sacheon-City, Gyeongnam, Korea.

(Curtiss Wright)

 

[NEKONEKO]

I prefer to have either chinook or osprey rather than both. The top brass should look far to the future and chose which one is the most suitable for us.

 

[Whizzack]

why are some member here afraid of U.S embargoes!!??
they will NOT gonna embargoed us unless we do something extremely stupid like genoside or millitary coup, something unlikely in our democracy age, so chill out, the American need us to contain red china in south east asia, heck this is the best time for buying spree of US made millitary hardware or military cooperation with the US

Well we can ask the same to you... Why are some members here so sure we won't be? When past experiences has shown otherwise...? Can't blame people for having big doubts based on past experience... What makes you so sure that our interests won't diverge with that of the US in the future..?

Seperti kata pepatah "Pengalaman adalah guru terbaik"... The bad experience or trauma of being embargoed will still linger on no matter what nice words the US may say to us today.. Action still speaks louder than words..

Some members here even think that it will be okay even if we get embargoed again as we can just get the spare parts from 3rd party vendors / countries or even the blackmarket... but there are no guarantees that those 3rd parties will be willing to service us the next time around.. and planning for fleet maintenance just by relying on the possible goodwill of others or the unreliable blackmarket is just simply irresponsible at best and potentially disastrous.

Diversification of arms sources is still the best option as a hedge against such possibilities, unless we plan on submitting entirely to the US like Japan or South Korea... Even Egypt still diversifies their weapon systems even though they get billions of USD in US assistance every year..

 

[NEKONEKO]

Diversification of arms sources is still the best option as a hedge against such possibilities

The drawback would be incompatibility issue, quality, logistical problem, extra infrastructure and crew training to support different type of alutsista, ... it will cost us more money ... but totally worth it.

 

[Viet]

You know this is a nice surprise

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https://www.bellflight.com/products...ADYH2xDp0VOR2_tEv3EiqM_vtxRYmP1arJaFjq9oYU06c

From Bell official site

@Nilgiri @Viet @UKBengali

Sis I go thru the page however don’t see any Indonesia being mentioned. Very expensive chopper anyway.

 

[Ruhnama]

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Steel cased ammo (?) Just me or not insee the mud testing use mud to liquid much water. Maybe because i watch ian mccollum mud testing they used less liquid mud.

Well we can ask the same to you... Why are some members here so sure we won't be? When past experiences has shown otherwise...? Can't blame people for having big doubts based on past experience... What makes you so sure that our interests won't diverge with that of the US in the future..?

Seperti kata pepatah "Pengalaman adalah guru terbaik"... The bad experience or trauma of being embargoed will still linger on no matter what nice words the US may say to us today.. Action still speaks louder than words..

Some members here even think that it will be okay even if we get embargoed again as we can just get the spare parts from 3rd party vendors / countries or even the blackmarket... but there are no guarantees that those 3rd parties will be willing to service us the next time around.. and planning for fleet maintenance just by relying on the possible goodwill of others or the unreliable blackmarket is just simply irresponsible at best and potentially disastrous.

Diversification of arms sources is still the best option as a hedge against such possibilities, unless we plan on submitting entirely to the US like Japan or South Korea... Even Egypt still diversifies their weapon systems even though they get billions of USD in US assistance every year..

Agree. But how we do diversification with tight budget? How we manage the maintenance, part supply etc? How we manage compatibikity etc. Maybe this is some trade off for diversification but we can see country that in past heavily relly in one soutce weapon they will have trouble infuture example Imperial Iran became Islamic Iran.
Many countries have diversified their arsenal like egypt, india also pakistan (using US weapon and Chinese). But they have enough budget. Country that only have sourced and didnt diversified like Turkey, their AF american made aircraft and if something happened they will get embargoed (as i know they have embargoed in 70s) and turks have enough local industry if something bad happen. (Merintisnya juga lama ga ujug2 jago)

So maybe we can diversified (that have some trade off) for short termn and make good local defence industry for long term

I see News in angkasapedia ig that we will used caatsa waiver for su35

 

[Raduga]

Steel cased ammo (?) Just me or not insee the mud testing use mud to liquid much water. Maybe because i watch ian mccollum mud testing they used less liquid mud.

Agree. But how we do diversification with tight budget? How we manage the maintenance, part supply etc? How we manage compatibikity etc. Maybe this is some trade off for diversification but we can see country that in past heavily relly in one soutce weapon they will have trouble infuture example Imperial Iran became Islamic Iran.
Many countries have diversified their arsenal like egypt, india also pakistan (using US weapon and Chinese). But they have enough budget. Country that only have sourced and didnt diversified like Turkey, their AF american made aircraft and if something happened they will get embargoed (as i know they have embargoed in 70s) and turks have enough local industry if something bad happen. (Merintisnya juga lama ga ujug2 jago)

So maybe we can diversified (that have some trade off) for short termn and make good local defence industry for long term

I see News in angkasapedia ig that we will used caatsa waiver for su35

it's looks like one of the top notch Steel Brass hybrid case , but i can't tell it clearly

US also tend to prefer this case for their future 6.8mm than the all polymer case (plastic bullet case)

Sis I go thru the page however don’t see any Indonesia being mentioned. Very expensive chopper anyway.

looks like an archieved web page by bell (there's an URL for it but no button or clickable User interface to go to that specific URL in their webpage)

if somehow Rafale wins , is neuron also available for export ?

 

[Chestnut]

It seems someone in the Army and armed forces HQ really intended to ditch Chinook from the competition, and looking at close relationship between Bell helicopters and Indonesia PT DI there is more chance for them

It was because of price. They found it too expensive.

The drawback would be incompatibility issue, quality, logistical problem, extra infrastructure and crew training to support different type of alutsista, ... it will cost us more money ... but totally worth it.

Is it though? Why exactly would it be worth all the drawbacks?

Diversification of arms sources is still the best option as a hedge against such possibilities, unless we plan on submitting entirely to the US like Japan or South Korea... Even Egypt still diversifies their weapon systems even though they get billions of USD in US assistance every year..

We shouldn't really be looking to Egypt or any of the Arab countries when it comes to military procurement. There are reasons that Arab armies don't win wars and that is one those reasons.

 

[Kansel]

Indonesia’s modernization efforts spur big increase in defense spending
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Indonesia’s defense spending is expected to rise nearly 20% in 2020 from the previous year, bringing it to about 5% of total government spending. The increase is attributed in part to the modernization of the country’s Armed Forces, the improved well-being of its military personnel and greater indigenization of the country’s defense industry.

A key part of Indonesia’s defense modernization is an upgrade of critical weapons systems, Indonesian Minister of Defence Prabowo Subianto, pictured, told reporters in Jakarta on December 3, 2019.

“Our defense budget is the lowest compared to our neighbors in Southeast Asia. It has yet to reach 1% of our GDP [gross domestic product],” said Subianto, a retired general. He added that some other countries in the region spend between 2% and 3% of GDP on defense and that a significant rise is necessary for the country’s sovereignty and security.

Jakarta’s state budget for 2020 allocates U.S. $9.26 billion for defense, up 19.8% from 2019, according to the Indonesian Ministry of Finance.

The Ministry of Defence outlined proposals for multibillion-dollar investments that include fighter aircraft, transport aircraft, tanks, air defense systems and surface fighters, reported IHS Jane’s Defence.

Lockheed Martin F-16V Block 70/72 Fighting Falcon Multirole Combat Aircraft is the costliest acquisition in the government’s defense priorities for 2020-2024. Two squadrons, totaling 32 planes, will cost an estimated U.S. $2 billion. Indonesia’s Navy is projected to acquire a variant of Denmark’s Iver Huitfeldt-class frigate as part of its U.S. $720 million frigate acquisition program. A pair of hydrographic survey ships — also suitable for submarine rescues — have been approved for U.S. $143 million. The Army’s procurement plans include the acquisition of up to 10 Boeing CH-47F Chinook heavy-lift transport helicopters, which are useful in humanitarian assistance and disaster relief missions.

Indonesian President Joko Widodo announced a defense spending goal of 1.5% of Indonesia’s GDP by 2019 during his first presidential campaign in 2014, analyst Daniel Darling wrote in an August 2019 report for Forecast International, a defense research group.

“Achieving the 1.5 percent of GDP benchmark is in line with Indonesia’s larger military reform goal of creating a force-of-scale capable of meeting the minimum response required to deal with a variety of strategic threats by 2024,” Darling stated. The military reforms involve recruiting, retaining, housing, equipping and training a force that is able to deploy the minimal assets necessary to conduct counterinsurgency operations, international peacekeeping missions and disaster relief operations, as well as offshore and exclusive economic zone protection.

Beijing’s claims to areas of the South China Sea that overlap with Indonesia’s territorial waters is one strategic challenge Jakarta faces, Darling added.

Moreover, indigenous defense industry growth is a priority going forward for the next five to 10 years, explained Indonesian Deputy Minister of Defense Sakti Wahyu Trenggono in a November 29, 2019, media roundtable.

“It is certain that we want the production capacity and capability of the local defense industry to be maximized for the absorption of the defense budget,” he said.

Tom Abke is a FORUM contributor reporting from Singapore.

https://ipdefenseforum.com/indonesi...budget is the,our neighbors in Southeast Asia.

 

[Raduga]

1,5% GDP means around 17-18Billion USD ? hopefully it get realized .

 

[NEKONEKO]

Is it though? Why exactly would it be worth all the drawbacks

Diversification of arms sources is still the best option as a hedge against such possibilities

2% and 3% of GDP

There won't be much hurdle for >1% Gdp if the money stay in Indonesia, but mostly we still import alutsista, we need to pour more money on research and development for now so in the future no need to be stingy for defense budget.

 

[Var Dracon]

PT Respati Solusi Rekatama made fire control system for scorpion 90. This modification has several improvements:
1. The turret can be manually operated using computer (standard one only manually operated using handle or hand crank, this modification made a new one with electric motors)
2. The electrical movement is smoother
3. More modern sensor (it will replace the 90's sensor currently used in our scorpion-including addition of laser warning receiver to warn incoming missile, and laser rangefinder. While the old gunner sight is optical, this mod replaces it using digital camera)
4. Ability to track moving target and stabilization (our scorpion already has stabilizer but for tracking moving target, I doubt it)

Since our scorpion is using Cockerill 90 mm gun, I hope this can be implemented for Badak AFV.

https://www.respati.co.id/

 

[NEKONEKO]

Lockheed Martin F-16V Block 70/72 Fighting Falcon Multirole Combat Aircraft is the costliest acquisition in the government’s defense priorities for 2020-2024. Two squadrons, totaling 32 planes, will cost an estimated U.S. $2 billion. Indonesia’s Navy is projected to acquire a variant of Denmark’s Iver Huitfeldt-class frigate as part of its U.S. $720 million frigate acquisition program. A pair of hydrographic survey ships — also suitable for submarine rescues — have been approved for U.S. $143 million. The Army’s procurement plans include the acquisition of up to 10 Boeing CH-47F Chinook heavy-lift transport helicopters, which are useful in humanitarian assistance and disaster relief missions.

The F16 is already confirmed but Jakarta is a little bit swayed with F35, Iver is very likely almost done deal, survey ship budget already approved, all acquisition mentioned is the one that very likely to happen, so ... they did mention about chinook ... even herky didn't make it to the article.

 

[Indos]

The F16 is already confirmed but Jakarta is a little bit swayed with F35, Iver is very likely almost done deal, survey ship budget already approved, all acquisition mentioned is the one that very likely to happen, so ... they did mention about chinook ... even herky didn't make it to the article.

I dont think F 16 is already confirmed. I believe that westerner writer just read our news talking about previous Air Force commander plan to buy 32 F16. I believe the plan hasnt been approved by Minister of Defense office. Prabowo only said about budget for fighter without mentioning the detail and it IMO most probably about filling previous F5 squadron and maybe also KFX/IFX R&D budget. So about F5 squadron it is between SU35 and F35. And since the news was written before Covid 19 outbreak, so all of the things which are written there are still not fixed and most probably changed into domestic equipment procurement to help the economy. We also have new Air Force commander now.

 

[Kansel]

I dont think F 16 is already confirmed. I believe that westerner writer just read our news talking about previous Air Force commander plan to buy 32 F16. I believe the plan hasnt been approved by Minister of Defense office. Prabowo only said about budget for fighter without mentioning the detail and it IMO most probably about filling previous F5 squadron and maybe also KFX/IFX R&D budget. So about F5 squadron it is between SU35 and F35. And since the news was written before Covid 19 outbreak, so all of the things which are written there are still not fixed and most probably changed into domestic equipment procurement to help the economy. We also have new Air Force commander now.

Funny, because this came from Airforce itself