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[Kansel]

I guess alman was right

Indonesia re-thinks USD900 million submarine contract with South Korea
Ridzwan Rahmat, Singapore - Jane's Navy International
01 April 2020
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Indonesia has signed for a second batch of Type 209/1400-class submarines, similar to KRI Nagapasa (pictured), but is now re-considering the decision. Source: Irawan/NurPhoto via Getty Images
Key Points

• Indonesia is re-considering its options with regards to the contract for a second batch of three Type 209/1400 submarines.
• Defence policy makers are keen to explore other alternatives amid expectations of reduced defence expenditure allocation in the coming years

Indonesia's defence planners have convened a meeting to discuss the country's KRW1.162 trillion (USD900 million) order for a second batch of three diesel-electric submarines (SSKs) with South Korea and are considering several options for the programme, including contract termination.

Two separate sources from the defence ministry and the Indonesian Navy's (Tentara Nasional Indonesia - Angkatan Laut: TNI-AL) headquarters in Cilangkap have confirmed to Jane's that among matters being discussed at the moment include legal and financial implications of walking away from the contract that was announced in April 2019.

Indonesia signed a contract with Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (DSME) for the second tranche of three Type 209/1400 diesel-electric submarines in April 2019. The vessels will be similar to the first batch of three boats that was signed in December 2011.

The 2019 contract was signed with funding arranged by the Export-Import Bank of Korea and is scheduled to complete by 2026. Under this contract, one vessel will be built in Surabaya as part of a technology transfer programme. This arrangement is similar to one that was undertaken in the earlier contract.

https://www.janes.com/article/95281...0-million-submarine-contract-with-south-korea
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Indonesia approves USD280 million request for follow-on BT-3F order
Ridzwan Rahmat, Singapore - Jane's Defence Weekly
01 April 2020
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The Indonesian government has approved an IDR4633 trillion (USD280 million) request to procure a further batch of BT-3F amphibious vehicles for the country’s Marines Corps (Korps Marinir: KORMAR).

The request has been approved by an Indonesian inter-ministry committee known as the House of Representatives’ commission on defence, intelligence, and foreign affairs (Komisi I).

The allocation will be used to fund the procurement of up to 79 BT-3F units, and the vehicles will be ordered from Russia’s JSC Rosoboronexport once formalities are in place, Jane’s has been made to understand.

Documents provided to Jane’s from an Indonesian Navy (Tentara Nasional Indonesia – Angkatan Laut) source in Cilangkap indicate that the sum will be drawn from defence export credit facilities.

https://www.janes.com/article/95285...280-million-request-for-follow-on-bt-3f-order

 

[Raduga]

I guess alman was right

Indonesia re-thinks USD900 million submarine contract with South Korea
Ridzwan Rahmat, Singapore - Jane's Navy International
01 April 2020
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Indonesia has signed for a second batch of Type 209/1400-class submarines, similar to KRI Nagapasa (pictured), but is now re-considering the decision. Source: Irawan/NurPhoto via Getty Images
Key Points

• Indonesia is re-considering its options with regards to the contract for a second batch of three Type 209/1400 submarines.
• Defence policy makers are keen to explore other alternatives amid expectations of reduced defence expenditure allocation in the coming years

Indonesia's defence planners have convened a meeting to discuss the country's KRW1.162 trillion (USD900 million) order for a second batch of three diesel-electric submarines (SSKs) with South Korea and are considering several options for the programme, including contract termination.

Two separate sources from the defence ministry and the Indonesian Navy's (Tentara Nasional Indonesia - Angkatan Laut: TNI-AL) headquarters in Cilangkap have confirmed to Jane's that among matters being discussed at the moment include legal and financial implications of walking away from the contract that was announced in April 2019.

Indonesia signed a contract with Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (DSME) for the second tranche of three Type 209/1400 diesel-electric submarines in April 2019. The vessels will be similar to the first batch of three boats that was signed in December 2011.

The 2019 contract was signed with funding arranged by the Export-Import Bank of Korea and is scheduled to complete by 2026. Under this contract, one vessel will be built in Surabaya as part of a technology transfer programme. This arrangement is similar to one that was undertaken in the earlier contract.

https://www.janes.com/article/95281...0-million-submarine-contract-with-south-korea
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Indonesia approves USD280 million request for follow-on BT-3F order
Ridzwan Rahmat, Singapore - Jane's Defence Weekly
01 April 2020
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The Indonesian government has approved an IDR4633 trillion (USD280 million) request to procure a further batch of BT-3F amphibious vehicles for the country’s Marines Corps (Korps Marinir: KORMAR).

The request has been approved by an Indonesian inter-ministry committee known as the House of Representatives’ commission on defence, intelligence, and foreign affairs (Komisi I).

The allocation will be used to fund the procurement of up to 79 BT-3F units, and the vehicles will be ordered from Russia’s JSC Rosoboronexport once formalities are in place, Jane’s has been made to understand.

Documents provided to Jane’s from an Indonesian Navy (Tentara Nasional Indonesia – Angkatan Laut) source in Cilangkap indicate that the sum will be drawn from defence export credit facilities.

https://www.janes.com/article/95285...280-million-request-for-follow-on-bt-3f-order

delayed until 2021 or completely terminated and changed into other option like scorpene or u214 ?? , reduced defense expenditure upcoming years ..... searching for other alternatives ... i thought that ship were the cheapest among other submarine ... what we're going to aim next ?? chinese song class and yuan class ?? hell no

 

[striver44]

scaling back at strategic arms procurement while moving ahead with non essential weapons which could put us at risk with sanctions. hahahaha I like it how people do things here.

 

[trishna_amṛta]

Like literally literally?
If its just dirty bomb then yuss, but true nukes?

In the most literal sense. Overnight as as in several screwing those fastener bolt away. And I'm referring to possible one of the most modern device at least in par with that in the US arsenal.

Most people seem to ignorance regarding the facts that Japan supply advanced components to so many industries for decades and have mature nuclear industry as equally long.

delayed until 2021 or completely terminated and changed into other option like scorpene or u214 ?? , reduced defense expenditure upcoming years ..... searching for other alternatives ... i thought that ship were the cheapest among other submarine ... what we're going to aim next ??

Most likely reduced defense spending. Keep in mind how much $ spend for dealing with the current plague. In case you haven't notice, President Jokowi has already pledge additional $24 billion (USD) to cushion the plague impact. And that money need to be repay in the future.

 

[san.geuk]

The prc should responsible for this plague, compesation is a must, this is not first time their country spread viruses around the globe, remember swine flu and sars, they should be more experiance in early detecting a virus, now their country recovering faster than others, if the world dont ask over compensation for what they done they will never learn, like some report that wuhan wet market reopen again.

If defence ministy got budget cut, the heavy frigate must be prioritize to continue at least ffbnw and streghten the hull so she can ram and crush those intruders like those venezuela ships vs some cruise ship., then borrow them for bakamla for a while so our whitehull at least have a biggership

Some inspiration,
https://www.popularmechanics.com/mi...021287/venezuela-cruiser-cruise-ship-collide/

 

[Jatosint]

Nais
At the end it's just a matter of their own national interests. keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

Yeaj, whatever

BTW, you didn't answer my question:

Which Australia's defense white paper that you claimed "specifically write Indonesia as a threat" ?

I guess alman was right

Indonesia re-thinks USD900 million submarine contract with South Korea
Ridzwan Rahmat, Singapore - Jane's Navy International
01 April 2020
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Indonesia has signed for a second batch of Type 209/1400-class submarines, similar to KRI Nagapasa (pictured), but is now re-considering the decision. Source: Irawan/NurPhoto via Getty Images
Key Points

• Indonesia is re-considering its options with regards to the contract for a second batch of three Type 209/1400 submarines.
• Defence policy makers are keen to explore other alternatives amid expectations of reduced defence expenditure allocation in the coming years

Indonesia's defence planners have convened a meeting to discuss the country's KRW1.162 trillion (USD900 million) order for a second batch of three diesel-electric submarines (SSKs) with South Korea and are considering several options for the programme, including contract termination.

Two separate sources from the defence ministry and the Indonesian Navy's (Tentara Nasional Indonesia - Angkatan Laut: TNI-AL) headquarters in Cilangkap have confirmed to Jane's that among matters being discussed at the moment include legal and financial implications of walking away from the contract that was announced in April 2019.

Indonesia signed a contract with Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (DSME) for the second tranche of three Type 209/1400 diesel-electric submarines in April 2019. The vessels will be similar to the first batch of three boats that was signed in December 2011.

The 2019 contract was signed with funding arranged by the Export-Import Bank of Korea and is scheduled to complete by 2026. Under this contract, one vessel will be built in Surabaya as part of a technology transfer programme. This arrangement is similar to one that was undertaken in the earlier contract.

https://www.janes.com/article/95281...0-million-submarine-contract-with-south-korea
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Indonesia approves USD280 million request for follow-on BT-3F order
Ridzwan Rahmat, Singapore - Jane's Defence Weekly
01 April 2020
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The Indonesian government has approved an IDR4633 trillion (USD280 million) request to procure a further batch of BT-3F amphibious vehicles for the country’s Marines Corps (Korps Marinir: KORMAR).

The request has been approved by an Indonesian inter-ministry committee known as the House of Representatives’ commission on defence, intelligence, and foreign affairs (Komisi I).

The allocation will be used to fund the procurement of up to 79 BT-3F units, and the vehicles will be ordered from Russia’s JSC Rosoboronexport once formalities are in place, Jane’s has been made to understand.

Documents provided to Jane’s from an Indonesian Navy (Tentara Nasional Indonesia – Angkatan Laut) source in Cilangkap indicate that the sum will be drawn from defence export credit facilities.

https://www.janes.com/article/95285...280-million-request-for-follow-on-bt-3f-order

Yes, janes is one the best defense media outlet but don't their article for granted

 

[NEKONEKO]

The prc should responsible for this plague, compesation is a must, this is not first time their country spread viruses around the globe, remember swine flu and sars, they should be more experiance in early detecting a virus, now their country recovering faster than others, if the world dont ask over compensation for what they done they will never learn, like some report that wuhan wet market reopen again.

If defence ministy got budget cut, the heavy frigate must be prioritize to continue at least ffbnw and streghten the hull so she can ram and crush those intruders like those venezuela ships vs some cruise ship., then borrow them for bakamla for a while so our whitehull at least have a biggership

Some inspiration,
https://www.popularmechanics.com/mi...021287/venezuela-cruiser-cruise-ship-collide/

Frigate is not to be used to ram other ship, its not a boom-boom car, if you want to ram other ship use battleship.
Fridtjof Nansen class, Arleigh Burke class suffer heavy damage from collision with commercial ship.

 

[Kansel]

Yes, janes is one the best defense media outlet but don't their article for granted

And yet i just realized USD 900 m for 3 changbogos? Based on before news the contract for 3 changbogos is US$ 1200 m

And this US$ 900 m is for 2 another sub procurement

https://lancerdefense.com/2019/07/0...r-untuk-membangun-tiga-kapal-selam-indonesia/


CMIIW

 

[Raduga]

The prc should responsible for this plague, compesation is a must, this is not first time their country spread viruses around the globe, remember swine flu and sars, they should be more experiance in early detecting a virus, now their country recovering faster than others, if the world dont ask over compensation for what they done they will never learn, like some report that wuhan wet market reopen again.

If defence ministy got budget cut, the heavy frigate must be prioritize to continue at least ffbnw and streghten the hull so she can ram and crush those intruders like those venezuela ships vs some cruise ship., then borrow them for bakamla for a while so our whitehull at least have a biggership

Some inspiration,
https://www.popularmechanics.com/mi...021287/venezuela-cruiser-cruise-ship-collide/

you want a ship with boom boom car capability , then take a look at large south korea and japanese coast guard vessels , most of them got reinforced steel hull .

sad to see Navantia got another bad reputation of sinked warship due to venezuelan OPV collision with cruise ship resulting in capsized , after the previous helge ingstad incident .

 

[Jatosint]

Rear Admiral/Commodore (Ret.) Jeanne PMR Winaku, our ex-Head of Naval Medical Service and Indonesia's first female neurosurgeon has died from coronavirus

 

[mandala]

The prc should responsible for this plague, compesation is a must, this is not first time their country spread viruses around the globe, remember swine flu and sars, they should be more experiance in early detecting a virus, now their country recovering faster than others, if the world dont ask over compensation for what they done they will never learn, like some report that wuhan wet market reopen again.

If defence ministy got budget cut, the heavy frigate must be prioritize to continue at least ffbnw and streghten the hull so she can ram and crush those intruders like those venezuela ships vs some cruise ship., then borrow them for bakamla for a while so our whitehull at least have a biggership

Some inspiration,
https://www.popularmechanics.com/mi...021287/venezuela-cruiser-cruise-ship-collide/

^^^

https://twitter.com/x/status/1245528938396311552

Rear Admiral/Commodore (Ret.) Jeanne PMR Winaku, our ex-Head of Naval Medical Service and Indonesia's first female neurosurgeon has died from coronavirus

RIP. Condolences to the family

 

[Kansel]

Defensie
NASAMS bukan akhir penantian panjang untuk TNI AU

CategoryAngkatan UdaraPosted onApril 3, 2020AuthorAntonius KKLeave a comment

AIRSPACE REVIEW (airspace-review.com) – Tahun 2017 lalu pemerintah Indonesia melalui Kementerian Pertahanan memesan sistem senjata rudal pertahanan udara (sisdal hanud) menengah NASAMS (Norwegian Advanced Surface to Air Missile System) dari Norwegia dengan nilai sekitar 101 juta dolar AS yang dibiayai dari kredit ekspor.

Jika tak ada aral melintang, seharusnya pada 2020 ini sisdal hanud tersebut sudah tiba dan mamayungi langit ibu kota.

Sistem senjata (sista) jenis rudal hanud jarak menengah memang sudah empat dekade absen dari jajaran kekuatan TNI. Sejak dinonaktifkannya rudal S-75 Dvina (NATO: SA-2 Guideline) awal tahun 1980-an, TNI belum lagi diperkuat sista sejenis.

Dibeli dalam persiapan Operasi Trikora untuk merebut Irian Barat (sekarang Papua) dari Belanda, S-75 Dvina yang berjangkauan tembak 60 km memiliki daya gentar (deterrent) yang tinggi. Sama seperti S-75 Dvina, kabarnya NASAMS juga akan ditempatkan di kawasan Teluk Naga, Tangerang, untuk “memayungi” Jakarta.

BACA Ardmore Flying School, Tempat Instruktur Penerbang STPI Berlatih Seaplane

NASAMS diproduksi Kongsberg Defence Systems (Norwegia) yang bekerja sama dengan Raytheon (AS). Satu satuan rudal atau “baterai” (missile battery) NASAMS terdiri dari beberapa subsistem, di antaranya 6 – 8 unit launcher/peluncur rudal yang masing-masing berkapasitas enam pucuk rudal.

Istimewa
Selain itu terdapat radar mobile berteknologi 3D, sistem penjejak elektro optik, modul kendali dan komando, serta unit generator listrik. Setiap subsistem tersebut bersifat modular dan dipasang di atas platform truk kelas menengah.

Inilah salah satu keunggulan NASAMS, di mana setiap subsistemnya dapat diboyong pesawat angkut sekelas C-130 Hercules. Artinya, NASAMS memiliki mobilitas tinggi dan dapat cepat digelar di tempat lain.

Keunggulan NASAMS lainnya adalah fleksibilitas rudalnya. Selain rudal standar AIM-20 AMRAAM yang ditawarkan, peluncur NASAMS dapat mengakomodasi rudal ESSM dan AIM-9X Sidewinder.

ESSM (Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile) memang rudal hanud permukaan ke udara. Tapi AIM-20 AMRAAM dan AIM-9X Sidewinder aslinya adalah rudal udara ke udara, dipakai pesawat tempur buatan AS dan NATO.

BACA Terima Unit Pertama, Helikopter Chinook Kini Lengkapi Jajaran Kekuatan AU India

Dengan kata lain, NASAMS dapat memakai stok rudal AMRAAM maupun Sidewinder yang sama dengan yang dipakai jet-jet tempur TNI AU. Fitur inilah yang merupakan salah satu poin yang menarik bagi TNI AU sebagai pengguna NASAMS.

USAF
Bila dipasangi AIM-120C AMRAAM, sisdal NASAMS berjangkauan tembak sekitar 50 – 70 km. Jangkauan tembak AIM-20C jika diluncurkan dari platform darat memang lebih pendek dari jangkauan “asli”-nya saat ditembakkan dari pesawat tempur (sekitar 90 – 120 km).

Ada berita NASAMS pesanan Indonesia akan dipersenjatai dengan AIM-120C-7, sama dengan yang dipesan untuk mempersenjatai armada jet tempur F-16 Fighting Falcon milik TNI AU.

Dan menurut sumber terpercaya, NASAMS bukan satu-satunya rudal hanud yang akan memperkuat TNI AU. Kabarnya selain rudal hanud menengah, kelak rudal hanud jarak jauh juga akan mengisi jajaran kekuatan TNI AU.

https://www.airspace-review.com/2020/04/03/nasams-bukan-akhir-penantian-panjang-untuk-tni-au/

 

[san.geuk]

Vote for THAAD if they give us the access

 

[Nike]

maybe Patriot

 

[Raduga]

Defensie
NASAMS bukan akhir penantian panjang untuk TNI AU

CategoryAngkatan UdaraPosted onApril 3, 2020AuthorAntonius KKLeave a comment

AIRSPACE REVIEW (airspace-review.com) – Tahun 2017 lalu pemerintah Indonesia melalui Kementerian Pertahanan memesan sistem senjata rudal pertahanan udara (sisdal hanud) menengah NASAMS (Norwegian Advanced Surface to Air Missile System) dari Norwegia dengan nilai sekitar 101 juta dolar AS yang dibiayai dari kredit ekspor.

Jika tak ada aral melintang, seharusnya pada 2020 ini sisdal hanud tersebut sudah tiba dan mamayungi langit ibu kota.

Sistem senjata (sista) jenis rudal hanud jarak menengah memang sudah empat dekade absen dari jajaran kekuatan TNI. Sejak dinonaktifkannya rudal S-75 Dvina (NATO: SA-2 Guideline) awal tahun 1980-an, TNI belum lagi diperkuat sista sejenis.

Dibeli dalam persiapan Operasi Trikora untuk merebut Irian Barat (sekarang Papua) dari Belanda, S-75 Dvina yang berjangkauan tembak 60 km memiliki daya gentar (deterrent) yang tinggi. Sama seperti S-75 Dvina, kabarnya NASAMS juga akan ditempatkan di kawasan Teluk Naga, Tangerang, untuk “memayungi” Jakarta.

BACA Ardmore Flying School, Tempat Instruktur Penerbang STPI Berlatih Seaplane

NASAMS diproduksi Kongsberg Defence Systems (Norwegia) yang bekerja sama dengan Raytheon (AS). Satu satuan rudal atau “baterai” (missile battery) NASAMS terdiri dari beberapa subsistem, di antaranya 6 – 8 unit launcher/peluncur rudal yang masing-masing berkapasitas enam pucuk rudal.

Istimewa
Selain itu terdapat radar mobile berteknologi 3D, sistem penjejak elektro optik, modul kendali dan komando, serta unit generator listrik. Setiap subsistem tersebut bersifat modular dan dipasang di atas platform truk kelas menengah.

Inilah salah satu keunggulan NASAMS, di mana setiap subsistemnya dapat diboyong pesawat angkut sekelas C-130 Hercules. Artinya, NASAMS memiliki mobilitas tinggi dan dapat cepat digelar di tempat lain.

Keunggulan NASAMS lainnya adalah fleksibilitas rudalnya. Selain rudal standar AIM-20 AMRAAM yang ditawarkan, peluncur NASAMS dapat mengakomodasi rudal ESSM dan AIM-9X Sidewinder.

ESSM (Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile) memang rudal hanud permukaan ke udara. Tapi AIM-20 AMRAAM dan AIM-9X Sidewinder aslinya adalah rudal udara ke udara, dipakai pesawat tempur buatan AS dan NATO.

BACA Terima Unit Pertama, Helikopter Chinook Kini Lengkapi Jajaran Kekuatan AU India

Dengan kata lain, NASAMS dapat memakai stok rudal AMRAAM maupun Sidewinder yang sama dengan yang dipakai jet-jet tempur TNI AU. Fitur inilah yang merupakan salah satu poin yang menarik bagi TNI AU sebagai pengguna NASAMS.

USAF
Bila dipasangi AIM-120C AMRAAM, sisdal NASAMS berjangkauan tembak sekitar 50 – 70 km. Jangkauan tembak AIM-20C jika diluncurkan dari platform darat memang lebih pendek dari jangkauan “asli”-nya saat ditembakkan dari pesawat tempur (sekitar 90 – 120 km).

Ada berita NASAMS pesanan Indonesia akan dipersenjatai dengan AIM-120C-7, sama dengan yang dipesan untuk mempersenjatai armada jet tempur F-16 Fighting Falcon milik TNI AU.

Dan menurut sumber terpercaya, NASAMS bukan satu-satunya rudal hanud yang akan memperkuat TNI AU. Kabarnya selain rudal hanud menengah, kelak rudal hanud jarak jauh juga akan mengisi jajaran kekuatan TNI AU.

https://www.airspace-review.com/2020/04/03/nasams-bukan-akhir-penantian-panjang-untuk-tni-au/

patriot have a high possibility here , personally im craving for israeli air defense , such as Barak MX or Arrow missile series for wide area air defence and anti ballistic missile purpose , even US looking onto it (arrow 3) , but seeing the current diplomatic relations , that's just going to be another wet dream ...