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[NEKONEKO]

Regarding the new frigate what we know so far from the news : length (138 - 140 m), and will be built locally, so its not another PKR but something else with TOT. And probably FFBNW.

For the OPV with or without missiles and torpedoes is still a ok, will TNI prefer multirole OPV or special purpose patrol ship or something like Malaysian LMS I am gonna support their assessment, I just hope that the ship will have long endurance. The frigate tho, we should get the best we can get.

 

[Kansel]

#ThrowbackThursday

 

[umigami]

As far as i know, TNI AL OPV is only doesnt have ASW suite and ASW armaments mount (like torps and so on) to differentiate them with regular Corvette or Frigate

You should see italian paolo thaon di revel which is OPV with heavy frigate configuration , thai HTMS Krabi also had Anti Ship Missile , OPV specification requirements are differ in each countries .

Ya maaf deh klo saya salah. Pemikiran saya OPV itu saya kira harus murah, bisa patroli lama, bisa lewatin lautan yg sea stage nya gede, plus senjara canon 76 & 20 mm aja cukup..

 

[Nike]

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I am always wondered and pondered it is possible for Indonesia to developed Strike Fighter bomber like Specat Jaguar or AMX internasional or Mitsubishi F1 independently, though to though it is true if we just get license of F 16 block 72 is more cheaper and easier but we will subjected to many string and clause from original designer and country of origin.

Thats, we just trying to get something in the class of fourth generation fighter bomber but fully our own design and not involving other party except critical spare parts manufacturer. Although the challange is very tremendous but if Indonesia can pass the phase we will jump up from the ladder can indepently built our forces

 

[Kansel]

KEMENTERIAN LUAR NEGERI CHINA KELUARKAN PERNYATAAN BARU TERKAIT KONFLIK YANG TERJADI DI PERAIRAN NATUNA
9 JANUARI 2020 DIANEKO_LC TINGGALKAN KOMENTAR

Juru Bicara Menteri Luar Negeri Republik Rakyat China, Geng Shuang (Dok. Situs Kemlu RRC)
Kementerian Luar Negeri China mengeluarkan pernyataan baru pada tanggal 8 Januari 2020 terkait konflik yang terjadi di Perairan Natuna.

Dikutip dari laman resmi Kementerian Luar Negeri China, www.fmprc.gov.cn pada tanggal 8 Januari 2020, Geng Shuang meminta Indonesia untuk tetap tenang.

Berikut Kutipan Konferensi Pers tersebut;

Pertanyaan: Pertanyaan tentang China dan Indonesia. Militer Indonesia mengatakan hari ini bahwa mereka telah mengirim pesawat tempur dan kapal perang ke perairan lepas Kepulauan Natuna. Apa tanggapan Cina terhadap ini? Apakah Cina memiliki klaim teritorial terhadap Natuna?

A: Kami telah menyatakan posisi kami pada urusan maritim baru-baru ini berkali-kali. Kami juga telah menyatakan berkali-kali bahwa Cina memiliki kedaulatan atas Kepulauan Spratly dan hak berdaulat dan yurisdiksi atas wilayah laut yang relevan. Posisi ini konsisten dengan hukum internasional.

Saya ingin menekankan bahwa tidak ada perselisihan mengenai kedaulatan wilayah antara Cina dan Indonesia, dan kedua belah pihak memiliki klaim hak maritim yang tumpang tindih di beberapa bagian Laut Cina Selatan. Kami berharap bahwa pihak Indonesia akan tetap tenang, dan bersedia untuk terus menangani perbedaan dengan baik dengan pihak Indonesia dan mempertahankan situasi keseluruhan hubungan bilateral dan perdamaian dan stabilitas regional. Faktanya, Cina dan Indonesia juga mempertahankan komunikasi mengenai hal ini melalui saluran diplomatik.

Pertanyaan: Mengenai Indonesia, Anda mengatakan bahwa tidak ada perselisihan mengenai kedaulatan wilayah antara Cina dan Indonesia. Apakah ini berarti bahwa Tiongkok tidak memiliki klaim teritorial terhadap Kepulauan Natuna?

A: Cina memiliki kedaulatan atas Kepulauan Spratly dan kedaulatan serta yurisdiksi atas wilayah laut terkait.Posisi ini konsisten dengan hukum internasional. Tidak ada perselisihan mengenai kedaulatan wilayah antara Cina dan Indonesia, tetapi kedua belah pihak memiliki klaim hak maritim yang tumpang tindih di beberapa bagian Laut Cina Selatan. Kami bersedia untuk terus menyelesaikan perbedaan dengan baik dengan pihak Indonesia dan menjaga situasi keseluruhan hubungan bilateral dan perdamaian dan stabilitas regional.

Selama ini, Pemerintah Indonesia juga mengatakan bahwa ZEE Kepulauan Natuna tak bersinggungan dengan klaim Cina.

Namun, Studi Perbatasan Cina di Akademi Ilmu Sosial Cina di Beijing menunjukkan bahwa setidaknya ada 50 ribu kilometer persegi wilayah singgungan antara klaim Cina dengan wilayah ZEE Indonesia di Laut Natuna Utara.

Editor: (D.E.S)

 

[NEKONEKO]

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/can-indonesia-lead-maritime-tensions-china-escalate

Home to Southeast Asia’s largest armed forces, Southeast Asia’s largest economy, and de facto leader of ASEAN, Indonesia is not without diplomatic leverage or military capability to deter China if it so chooses to apply it.
....
Although one would not expect dramatic responses, Indonesia has a range of options at its disposal to impose costs on China for ignoring international legal norms and challenging Indonesia’s territorial integrity. Emboldened by success in securing Southeast Asia’s support for the “ASEAN Outlook on the Indo-Pacific”, an Indonesian-led vision of an inclusive and ASEAN-centred Indo-Pacific order, Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi may also be less inclined to do Beijing any favours with respect to its priority regional multilateral initiatives, such as the BRI or the highly protracted China-ASEAN South China Sea Code of Conduct.

It's always come from abroad (news, articles, opinions) about (the first paragraph) and members from other ASEAN country will be triggered and start to trash talk which in turn will trigger Indonesian members. Bruh.

The second one is true tho, and also if ASEAN can unite its voice they can be less worry about repercussions from major power or super power and can get more leverage when dealing with them.

 

[trishna_amṛta]

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/can-indonesia-lead-maritime-tensions-china-escalate

Home to Southeast Asia’s largest armed forces, Southeast Asia’s largest economy, and de facto leader of ASEAN, Indonesia is not without diplomatic leverage or military capability to deter China if it so chooses to apply it.
....
Although one would not expect dramatic responses, Indonesia has a range of options at its disposal to impose costs on China for ignoring international legal norms and challenging Indonesia’s territorial integrity. Emboldened by success in securing Southeast Asia’s support for the “ASEAN Outlook on the Indo-Pacific”, an Indonesian-led vision of an inclusive and ASEAN-centred Indo-Pacific order, Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi may also be less inclined to do Beijing any favours with respect to its priority regional multilateral initiatives, such as the BRI or the highly protracted China-ASEAN South China Sea Code of Conduct.

It's always come from abroad (news, articles, opinions) about (the first paragraph) and members from other ASEAN country will be triggered and start to trash talk which in turn will trigger Indonesian members. Bruh.

The second one is true tho, and also if ASEAN can unite its voice they can be less worry about repercussions from major power or super power and can get more leverage when dealing with them.

Trash talk from whom? This forum is crowded with what look like to be paid buzzer and troll. Just put them in your ignore list. There is already close to 50 names in my ignore list

ASEAN will never managed to issue one voice. It is not the nature of ASEAN to do so. Moreover member states such as Cambodia, Laos, and Myanmar are China satellite states, and the other members that are on Malayan Peninsula also leaning toward China

Ya maaf deh klo saya salah. Pemikiran saya OPV itu saya kira harus murah, bisa patroli lama, bisa lewatin lautan yg sea stage nya gede, plus senjara canon 76 & 20 mm aja cukup..

Beda fungsi nya antara OPV dengan frigate atau corvette. Fungsi pokok dari OPV adalah sebatas patroli sampai di EEZ (Exclusive Economic Zone), sedangkan frigate dan corvette bisa jadi kapal escort sebagai bagian dari formasi taktis atau bahkan operasi independent (walaupun kalau corvette sebenarnya tidak untuk operasi independent)

 

[HellFireIndo]

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/can-indonesia-lead-maritime-tensions-china-escalate

Home to Southeast Asia’s largest armed forces, Southeast Asia’s largest economy, and de facto leader of ASEAN, Indonesia is not without diplomatic leverage or military capability to deter China if it so chooses to apply it.
....
Although one would not expect dramatic responses, Indonesia has a range of options at its disposal to impose costs on China for ignoring international legal norms and challenging Indonesia’s territorial integrity. Emboldened by success in securing Southeast Asia’s support for the “ASEAN Outlook on the Indo-Pacific”, an Indonesian-led vision of an inclusive and ASEAN-centred Indo-Pacific order, Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi may also be less inclined to do Beijing any favours with respect to its priority regional multilateral initiatives, such as the BRI or the highly protracted China-ASEAN South China Sea Code of Conduct.

It's always come from abroad (news, articles, opinions) about (the first paragraph) and members from other ASEAN country will be triggered and start to trash talk which in turn will trigger Indonesian members. Bruh.

The second one is true tho, and also if ASEAN can unite its voice they can be less worry about repercussions from major power or super power and can get more leverage when dealing with them.

Maybe they should try becoming the largest country on the neighborhood, so that they wont get triggered everytime they stumble upon such a statement.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1214882352968523778

Nice, we can use it as a platform for our indigenous OPV and corvette, perhaps as a replacement to the Parchims too.

 

[Nike]

Leonardo, Radar Baru dari Italia Bakal Dimiliki Satrad 221 Ngliyep Malang

09 Januari 2020



Radar baru Satrad 221 Leonardo RAT 31 DL/M (photo : Leonardo)
Malang (beritajatim.com) – Sistem pertahanan udara di pesisir laut Selatan bakal ditunjang sebuah Radar milik Satuan Radar TNI Angkatan Udara (AU) 221 Ngliyep Kabupaten Malang.

Radar baru yang bakal dimiliki Satrad 221 Ngliyep, Malang Selatan nantinya bernama Leonardo. Radar Leonardo, akan diboyong atau didatangkan langsung dari negara Italia.

Sebagai informasi, radar Leonardo memiliki keunggulan yakni radius deteksinya mencapai 200 Nautical Mile (NM) atau jangkauannya hingga 360 kilometer. Sehingga, apabila ada pesawat terbang asing yang mengudara tanpa izin dan memasuki wilayah teritorial Indonesia bagian Selatan, maka akan cepat terdeteksi.

Sedang anggaran untuk mendatangkan Leonardo, berasal dari Kementerian Pertahanan (Kemenhan). Jumlah yang digelontorkan untuk memperoleh Leonardo mencapai angka Rp 375 miliar.

“Kita sudah teken kontrak dengan perusahaan Italia pada bulan September 2019 lalu. Dananya dari Kemenhan,” ungkap Komandan Satrad 221 Ngliyep, Mayor Lek Agus Kasmianto, Rabu (8/1/2020) seusai rapat koordinasi apel tanggap bencana Kabupaten Malang di Ruang Anusapati, Pendopo Kabupaten Malang.


Radar Plessey AWS II buatan Inggris di Satrad 221 Ngliyep, Malang (photo : radarmiliter01)

Menurut Mayor Agus, Leonardo nantinya siap dioperasikan pada 2021 mendatang. Hal itu lantaran untuk instalasi dan perakitan mesinnya, membutuhkan waktu yang tidak sedikit.

Agus menjelaskan, Leonardo memang sangat mumpuni untuk menjaga kedaulatan teritorial Indonesia.

“Radar Leonardo sangat bagus untuk mendeteksi dini. Kalau ada ancaman sudah terdeteksi jauh. Sehingga kita bisa merencanakan apa yang harus kita perbuat jarak. Kalau jangkaunya dekat, kita bisa terlambat untuk mengatasi,” tegasnya.

Saat ini, Satrad 221 Ngliyep masih mengandalkan radar Plessey AWS II dari Inggris. Radar itu sudah cukup tua, karena dioperasikan sejak 1960-an. Radius deteksinya pun hanya mencapai 180 NM dan dinilai kurang memenuhi standar.

(Berita Jatim)

Indonesia Air Force will get new air defense radar from Leonardo

 

[Indos]

Leonardo, Radar Baru dari Italia Bakal Dimiliki Satrad 221 Ngliyep Malang

09 Januari 2020



Radar baru Satrad 221 Leonardo RAT 31 DL/M (photo : Leonardo)
Malang (beritajatim.com) – Sistem pertahanan udara di pesisir laut Selatan bakal ditunjang sebuah Radar milik Satuan Radar TNI Angkatan Udara (AU) 221 Ngliyep Kabupaten Malang.

Radar baru yang bakal dimiliki Satrad 221 Ngliyep, Malang Selatan nantinya bernama Leonardo. Radar Leonardo, akan diboyong atau didatangkan langsung dari negara Italia.

Sebagai informasi, radar Leonardo memiliki keunggulan yakni radius deteksinya mencapai 200 Nautical Mile (NM) atau jangkauannya hingga 360 kilometer. Sehingga, apabila ada pesawat terbang asing yang mengudara tanpa izin dan memasuki wilayah teritorial Indonesia bagian Selatan, maka akan cepat terdeteksi.

Sedang anggaran untuk mendatangkan Leonardo, berasal dari Kementerian Pertahanan (Kemenhan). Jumlah yang digelontorkan untuk memperoleh Leonardo mencapai angka Rp 375 miliar.

“Kita sudah teken kontrak dengan perusahaan Italia pada bulan September 2019 lalu. Dananya dari Kemenhan,” ungkap Komandan Satrad 221 Ngliyep, Mayor Lek Agus Kasmianto, Rabu (8/1/2020) seusai rapat koordinasi apel tanggap bencana Kabupaten Malang di Ruang Anusapati, Pendopo Kabupaten Malang.


Radar Plessey AWS II buatan Inggris di Satrad 221 Ngliyep, Malang (photo : radarmiliter01)

Menurut Mayor Agus, Leonardo nantinya siap dioperasikan pada 2021 mendatang. Hal itu lantaran untuk instalasi dan perakitan mesinnya, membutuhkan waktu yang tidak sedikit.

Agus menjelaskan, Leonardo memang sangat mumpuni untuk menjaga kedaulatan teritorial Indonesia.

“Radar Leonardo sangat bagus untuk mendeteksi dini. Kalau ada ancaman sudah terdeteksi jauh. Sehingga kita bisa merencanakan apa yang harus kita perbuat jarak. Kalau jangkaunya dekat, kita bisa terlambat untuk mengatasi,” tegasnya.

Saat ini, Satrad 221 Ngliyep masih mengandalkan radar Plessey AWS II dari Inggris. Radar itu sudah cukup tua, karena dioperasikan sejak 1960-an. Radius deteksinya pun hanya mencapai 180 NM dan dinilai kurang memenuhi standar.

(Berita Jatim)

Indonesia Air Force will get new air defense radar from Leonardo

It is a cooperation with PT LEN. It is actually an old news.

https://www.jabarprov.go.id/En/inde...tion-Ready-to-Strengthen-Indonesian-Alutsista

 

[Nike]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2324243851199816

It is a cooperation with PT LEN. It is actually an old news.

https://www.jabarprov.go.id/En/inde...tion-Ready-to-Strengthen-Indonesian-Alutsista

This news confirmed operational time date in around 2021

 

[Nike]

Sinkies got approved for possible sales of about a squadron worth VTOL F35 variant, this mean in ASEAN there is a country will have operational carrier soon within decade timeframe. Indonesia should made plan based on possible threat assessment even from one deemed very friendly to us, as i said before on international relation only interest will last not friendship.

 

[Nike]

Ministry seizes three Vietnamese fishing vessels in North Natuna
15 hours ago

Three Vietnamese-flagged fishing vessels were captured by the Maritime Affairs and Fisheries Ministry's patrol ships in North Natuna waters. (ANTARA/Jessica Helena Wuysang/sh)

Pontianak, W Kalimantan (ANTARA) - The Maritime Affairs and Fisheries Ministry has detained three Vietnamese-flagged fishing vessels in the North Natuna waters for illegal fishing.

"The vessels were captured last December 30. The Vietnamese vessels are KG 95118 TS, with five Vietnamese crew members; KG 94629 TS, with 18 Vietnamese crew members; and KG 93255 TS, with 13 Vietnamese crew members," Maritime Affairs and Fisheries Minister Edhy Prabowo stated in Sungai Kakap Sub-district of Kubu Raya District, West Kalimantan, on Thursday.

The ministry’s three patrol ships, in coordination with the Indonesian Navy and Indonesian Maritime Security Agency (Bakamla), took part in the operation to catch the illegal fishers.

"The three Vietnamese-flagged vessels resisted the arrest that resulted in damage to the ministry's patrol ships. The Ocra 03 patrol ship suffered the worst-possible damage," Prabowo stated.

Related news: Policy on sinking illegal fishing boats to continue

The government has claimed that illegal fishing activities in the country's waters had inflicted losses to the tune of hundreds of trillions of rupiah a year to the state.

The war against illegal fishing activities has been spearheaded by former maritime and fisheries minister Susi Pudjiastuti with the support of other parties, especially the Indonesian Navy.

The government has also formed an Illegal Fishing Eradication Task Force (Task Force 115) to combat poaching in the Indonesian waters.

The Task Force 115 has synergized with other agencies and institutions in its operation.

The ministry had recently sunken 21 foreign fishing boats for poaching in Indonesian waters. In total, 41 foreign fishing boats were convicted of illegal fishing activities in the Indonesian waters. Several vessels have been sunken, while the rest will follow soon.

Related news: Mily chief orders Navy to drive away fishing vessels in EEZ

Related news: President Jokowi and entourage pay working visit to Natuna
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https://en.antaranews.com/news/1394...ee-vietnamese-fishing-vessels-in-north-natuna

 

[GraveDigger388]

Sinkies got approved for possible sales of about a squadron worth VTOL F35 variant, this mean in ASEAN there is a country will have operational carrier soon within decade timeframe. Indonesia should made plan based on possible threat assessment even from one deemed very friendly to us, as i said before on international relation only interest will last not friendship.

Coastal defense is a must.

 

[Nike]

Coastal defense is a must.

Air power is a must compared to coastal defense unit, Sinkies with their F35b akin to super etendard of Argentina navy in modern terms, they will be lethal and capable (especially when being armed with LRASM in which they had interest on) , the only way to handle them is by sheer air power from long distance