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[Nike]

Meanwhile in Africa,

https://twitter.com/x/status/1179514677140713472

 

[san.geuk]

newbie here...
there is some mazy information about our kfx/ifx project with south korea, are indonesian share in kfx project is there same as before (20%)? some of local news says the gov wants to cut the share (source: https://tirto.id/pemerintah-akan-kurangi-share-proyek-pesawat-tempur-kfx-dan-if-x-eewW), with 2 years late payment this become bad PR for indo in south korea, how is the real payment progress, is there any transfer yet to the south korea?
thanks be4.

 

[Nike]

Dont know if our soldiers is much higher in right than average African people

newbie here...
there is some mazy information about our kfx/ifx project with south korea, are indonesian share in kfx project is there same as before (20%)? some of local news says the gov wants to cut the share (source: https://tirto.id/pemerintah-akan-kurangi-share-proyek-pesawat-tempur-kfx-dan-if-x-eewW), with 2 years late payment this become bad PR for indo in south korea, how is the real payment progress, is there any transfer yet to the south korea?
thanks be4.

Nö Change, Indonesia even had paid their due share

 

[Soman45]

i just curious guys...why Kopassus add another type of MRAP from Chaeseri? kenapa nggak nambahin jumlah sanca? is there any minus point of sanca that made kopassus unsatisfied? or kopassus just want to open MRAP showroom?

 

[san.geuk]

Dont know if our soldiers is much higher in right than average African people



Nö Change, Indonesia even had paid their due share

thank you, glad to hear it,
but deep in my heart i wish we could have add bigger share not only 20%, but is there any posibilities for us to raise the share?

 

[Nike]

thank you, glad to hear it,
but deep in my heart i wish we could have add bigger share not only 20%, but is there any posibilities for us to raise the share?

South Korean is Not willing, if they so Turkey had join the project in first place. They want to control the project flow

 

[Kansel]

South Korean is Not willing, if they so Turkey had join the project in first place. They want to control the project flow

And for now are the renegotiation doing great?

I found something old but i dont really understand about it can anyone explain this?

Also here's Rheinmetall solution for natuna island integrated defense system which is i i found here by @Cromwell and wanted to repost it because the offering is kinda great

 

[Cromwell]

At the time Indonesia arms procurement more look like Malaysia today, always full of holes and quite prone to Corrupt acts. Not to say today procurement is Not probe for such acts, but the Intensity and scale is Not as large as in the past

Back in 1990s and before, those were nasty years with questionable projects

But sometime those company also bertindak licik dengan cari kesempatan relasi sama anak2 pejabat, kadang mereka suka bilang pemerintahan korup, lah dia juga yg nyogok

I've shared article a while ago, somehow those companies primarily UK based

And for now are the renegotiation doing great?

I found something old but i dont really understand about it can anyone explain this?View attachment 582370
Also here's Rheinmetall solution for natuna island integrated defense system which is i i found here by @Cromwell and wanted to repost it because the offering is kinda great View attachment 582370 View attachment 582371

2017 Rheinmetall presentation for multilayer air defense by Oberst ( Colonel ) Stephan Schadler. They offer Oerlikon Skyranger & IRIS-T MR-SAM as well integration with existing air defence system. Back in Indodefense 2018 we did procure follow up batch of Skyshield 35mm CIWS and integration package with Chiron SHORAD.

 

[Nike]

 

[radialv]

i just curious guys...why Kopassus add another type of MRAP from Chaeseri? kenapa nggak nambahin jumlah sanca? is there any minus point of sanca that made kopassus unsatisfied? or kopassus just want to open MRAP showroom?

Sanca a.k.a bushmaster more proven in my opinion

 

[Nike]

Sanca a.k.a bushmaster more proven in my opinion

Price related Problem maybe

 

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[HellFireIndo]

Need more flags and more spendid show of force and tradition for a true hell march nuance.

 

[Gundala]

Habibie, Menhankam dan Tank Korea
Berbeda pandangan politik namun demi kepentingan negara tetap obyektif
Oleh: Hendi Johari

Tank K200 KIFV buatan Korea Selatan yang menjadi pilihan Habibie dan Edi Sudradjat (militarytoday.com)


SUATU hari di tahun 1995, Menteri Riset dan Teknologi (Menristek) B.J. Habibie mengajak Letnan Jenderal (Purn) Sintong Panjaitan berdiskusi. Dia mengeluhkan soal seringnya Menteri Pertahanan dan Keamanan (Menhankam) Edi Sudradjat absen dalam berbagai rapat mengenai “sistem senjata Hankam” yang dipimpinnya.

“Padahal ada yang ingin sekali saya diskusikan dengan Pak Edi mengenai rencana pembelian tank buat ABRI,” ujar Habibie kepada staf ahli Menristek itu.

Sebagai orang yang merasa dekat dengan kedua lelaki yang secara politik bersebrangan itu, beberapa hari kemudian Sintong berinsiatif menemui Edi yang tak lain adalah seniornya di ABRI tersebut. Dia mendatangi Kantor Departemen Hankam dan menyatakan kekecewaan dirinya secara langsung kepada Menhankam.

“Kenapa sih Mas, selalu tidak hadir dalam rapat itu?” tanya Sintong.

Edi langsung menukas,” Maksudnya apa kau, ngomong begitu?”

“Mas, kita ini kan tentara. Yang memerintahkan soal itu kan Pak Harto, Panglima Tertinggi. Apa kata orang jika Mas “membangkang” perintah Panglima Tertinggi? Saya rasa itu tidak benar. Boleh tidak menyukai seseorang, tetapi sebagai bawahan Panglima Tertinggi kita harus ikut garis komando. Datanglah ke rapat itu nanti, Mas. Kalau tidak, enggak enaklah nanti sama Pak Harto,” ungkap Sintong.

Menhankam tidak bereaksi. Wajahnya datar saja. Lama sekali mereka saling berdiam diri, hingga akhirnya Sintong merasa tidak enak hati lalu pamit dan kembali ke kantor. Namun baru saja dia sampai di ruangannya, tetiba ada telepon untuk dirinya. Siapa lagi kalau bukan dari Menhankam Edi Sudradjat.

“Ya sudahlah Tong, kau yang atur supaya saya langsung bertemu Habibie. Saya tidak mau menunggu lama,” katanya.

Edi menegaskan “tidak mau menunggu lama” karena saat itu semua orang sudah pada mafum jika ingin menemui Habibie maka seseorang harus ekstra sabar. Bisa jadi itu disebabkan oleh begitu banyaknya tamu yang datang ke Habibie setiap harinya.

Selesai bicara dengan Edi, Sintong langsung bergegas menuju ruangan Habibie. Ia menceritakan perihal pertemuan itu. Sintong menyarankan Habibie agar langsung menjemput Edi begitu dia tiba di kantor Kemenristek. Tanpa banyak pertimbangan, Habibie langsung menyanggupi.

Singkat cerita, bertemulah kedua “seteru politik” itu dalam suasana yang ramah dan akrab. Ketika rapat berlangsung, Habibie membahas masalah rencana pembelian beberapa unit tank. Pilihannya ada tiga: K200 KIPV (Korean Infantry Fighting Vehicle) buatan Korea Selatan sesuai permohonan yang diajukan oleh Panglima ABRI Jenderal Feisal Tanjung kepada Presiden Soeharto pada 25 Januari 1995 atau tank jenis FV 101 Scorpion dan FV 103 Stormer buatan Inggris.

Secara kualitas dan harga, Habibie menyatakan setuju dengan pilihan ABRI itu. Selain harganya murah (3 KIFV=1 Scorpion), KIFV sudah teruji di berbagai medan dan lebih sesuai dengan situasi di alam Indonesia. Persoalannya, pemegang tender proyek tersebut yakni Siti Hardijanti Rukmana alias Mbak Tutut (putri sulung Presiden Soeharto) dan Jenderal Hartono lebih cenderung memilih Scorpion dan Stormer.

Edi mendukung keinginan Habibie. Terlebih setelah Habibie memberikan uraian tentang keunggulan dan kelemahan dua jenis tank itu, Edi semakin mantap untuk memilih KIFV sebagai tank yang akan dipergunakan ABRI.

“Pak Edi dan Pak Habibie itu sebetulnya sama-sama orang yang lebih mengutamakan kepentingan negara. Jadi ya keduanya bisa kompak kalau terkait soal itu,” ujar Sintong Panjaitan.

Sejarah mencatat, pilihan keduanya kandas. Tanpa sepengetahuan Menhankam, Scorpion dan Stormer terlanjur dibeli. Padahal menurut Sintong, Korea Selatan sudah berniat untuk membeli lagi pesawat CN-235-200 lewat cara imbal beli dengan peralatan militer dari Korea Selatan.

“Tetapi karena kita sudah membeli 50 tank Scorpion dan Stormer dari Inggris, maka Indonesia tidak jadi membeli tank dan ranpur dari Korea Selatan,” ujar Sintong dalam biografinya yang ditulis Hendro Subroto, Sintong Panjaitan: Perjalanan Seorang Prajurit Para Komando.

Menurut Sintong, pilihan Habibie dan Edi sebenarnya sudah tepat. Andaikan Indonesia jadi membeli K200 KIFV (berharga di bawah 1 juta dollar AS) dan tidak menggunakan FV 101 Scorpion dan FV 103 Stormer (berharga 2,5 juta dollar AS), maka ABRI akan memiliki 150 tank dan ranpur atau setengah dari kebutuhan Angkatan Darat.

“Jadinya kita hanya dapat 50 tank buatan Inggris,” ujar Sintong.

Hehehe thats one hell of armed purchase history

Somewhere in Java Sea, 5 years ago


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I'm going to repost this. The price for Scorpion IFV has been marked up to 2.5 Millions US$ each compared to price in market ( 800,000 US$ ) or Singaporean ( 1 Million US$ )

Standar jaman dulu, naikin harga di 300%

At the time Indonesia arms procurement more look like Malaysia today, always full of holes and quite prone to Corrupt acts. Not to say today procurement is Not probe for such acts, but the Intensity and scale is Not as large as in the past

Exactly man, the newer generation must learned and know the history. Its easy to say that todays procurement systems is "bad" or "ugly", but once you know the history and the "Culture" of the procurement itself before then one can clearly see that the progress has been made. It is far from perfect but what we had and still have but most of the time refuse to acknowledge is that it already part of culture/kebudayaan. It aint easy to fight it, it might take 2 decades at least to short it out but when I look at this millenial generation I am confident that they will create another type of culture that would diminish the bad one where older generation has been carried over time

But sometime those company also bertindak licik dengan cari kesempatan relasi sama anak2 pejabat, kadang mereka suka bilang pemerintahan korup, lah dia juga yg nyogok

Di satu sisi bener begitu, tapi di sisi lain kalau satu perusahaan pada masa itu mau jual barang tanpa lewat "jalur" mereka apa bisa jualan? Artikel diatas salah satu bukti. Jadi pengusaha pada saat itu kalau mau ya lewat jalur yg sama. Its either their way or highway, even "jailway". The irony is some of us called it the Golden Age

 

[HellFireIndo]

Hehehe thats one hell of armed purchase history

Standar jaman dulu, naikin harga di 300%


Exactly man, the newer generation must learned and know the history. Its easy to say that todays procurement systems is "bad" or "ugly", but once you know the history and the "Culture" of the procurement itself before then one can clearly see that the progress has been made. It is far from perfect but what we had and still have but most of the time refuse to acknowledge is that it already part of culture/kebudayaan. It aint easy to fight it, it might take 2 decades at least to short it out but when I look at this millenial generation I am confident that they will create another type of culture that would diminish the bad one where older generation has been carried over time


Di satu sisi bener begitu, tapi di sisi lain kalau satu perusahaan pada masa itu mau jual barang tanpa lewat "jalur" mereka apa bisa jualan? Artikel diatas salah satu bukti. Jadi pengusaha pada saat itu kalau mau ya lewat jalur yg sama. Its either their way or highway, even "jailway". The irony is some of us called it the Golden Age

Golden age for the rich, the powerful and their cronies, not so much for poor families like mine. There's no earlier period in Indonesia history that is more prosperous than today, and we're pushing that bar higher and higher by days.