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[barjo]

The turkish news?

Do you think Trump will let turks go along with russia and china? The ban is gertak sambel anyone effectively got CAATSA right now? Ask India

 

[Gundala]

Indonesia allocates USD8.9 billion to defence in 2020
Jon Grevatt, Bangkok and Andrew MacDonald, Singapore - Jane's Defence Weekly
21 August 2019
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The Indonesian government has formally proposed a fiscal year (FY) 2020 defence budget of IDR127.4 trillion (USD8.9 billion). According to budgetary documents published by the Ministry of Finance (MoF), the defence budget represents a 16% increase over the 2019 allocation of IDR109.6 trillion.

The documents state that the 2020 defence budget, which amounts to about 5% of total government expenditure in the year, will be used to support procurement efforts in line with the country's Minimum Essential Force (MEF) military modernisation programme.

"In FY 2020 the Ministry of Defence will continue strategic priority programmes and activities in order to support MEF fulfilment," said the MoF.

https://www.janes.com/article/90564/indonesia-allocates-usd8-9-billion-to-defence-in-2020

If Im not mistaken this would make our Def budget the highest budget spending of all post in 2020. Even PUPR is slightly below it

On the other note, seneng ngeliat BSSN mulai lebih aktif dan berbicara. Paling tidak kita tau ada yg memantau our sosmed fiasco. For reference here is our sosmed users projection and why it is important to protect it from oknum yg tidak bertanggung jawab https://www.statista.com/statistics/247938/number-of-social-network-users-in-indonesia/

Jumat 23 Agustus 2019, 13:56 WIB
Kepala BSSN Bicara soal Pelaku Serangan Siber di Isu Papua
Farih Maulana Sidik - detikNews

Jakarta - Kerusuhan di Papua dan Papua Barat mendapat perhatian prioritas dari pemerintah. Kepala Badan Siber dan Sandi Negara (BSSN) Letjen TNI Purn Hinsa Siburian mengatakan ada serangan siber yang bertujuan memperkeruh situasi.

Hinsa mengaku baru kembali dari Sorong dan Manokwari bersama Menkopolhukam Wiranto, Panglima TNI Marsekal Hadi Tjahjanto, dan Kapolri Jenderal Tito Karnavian. Hinsa menyebutkan tentang kondisi yang dilihatnya.

"Saya lihat di situ dan sangat nyata, bisa dilihat dari hasil monitor kita, memang ada kelompok-kelompok tertentu memanfaatkan insiden yang ada di Surabaya maupun di Malang," ucap Hinsa di kantornya, Jalan Harsono RM, Jakarta Selatan, Jumat (23/8/2019).

Hinsa menyebutkan pelaku dalam dunia siber bisa dari individu hingga bahkan suatu negara. Serangan siber pun, disebut Hinsa, bisa mempengaruhi informasi di lingkungan masyarakat.

"Pelaku penyerangan dalam dunia siber itu bisa individu, bisa kelompok, bahkan bisa negara," sebut Hinsa.

"Jadi dari sisi siber saya katakan memang ada kelompok yang memanfaatkan itu, memperkeruh situasi dengan konten-konten, berita-berita untuk menimbulkan kemarahan masyarakat sehingga kita melihat kemarin di beberapa tempat di Papua maupun Papua Barat terjadi unjuk rasa," sambungnya.

https://news.detik.com/berita/d-467...62.1218668349.1566552853-203301029.1539342229

 

[Cromwell]

Credit to Komite Kebijakan Industri Pertahanan

 

[Gundala]

Do you think Trump will let turks go along with russia and china? The ban is gertak sambel anyone effectively got CAATSA right now? Ask India

CAATSA doang ga terlalu greget walaupun tetap diperhitungkan buat mereka. Yg bikin mumet itu macam kita yg ga kuat (atau mungkin ga pandai) leveragenya. Kalo dikombinasi sama perdagangan itu yg bikin mumet ngitung analisa resiko soale bisa ganggu stabilitas ekonomi & politik kita yg masih rentan ini. Coba tanya itu org kemendag dapet telepon dari siapa begitu soal sukro anget diberita bahwa kita ngotot tetap mau dibungkus kesini

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Credit to Komite Kebijakan Industri Pertahanan

Trimaran!! Keren ini kapal, sayang ga pake water jet atau kombinasi gas engine biar lebih ngacir. Tapi kok C705 ya? jd kurang semangat

 

[barjo]

CAATSA doang ga terlalu greget walaupun tetap diperhitungkan buat mereka. Yg bikin mumet itu macam kita yg ga kuat (atau mungkin ga pandai) leveragenya. Kalo dikombinasi sama perdagangan itu yg bikin mumet ngitung analisa resiko soale bisa ganggu stabilitas ekonomi & politik kita yg masih rentan ini. Coba tanya itu org kemendag dapet telepon dari siapa begitu soal sukro anget diberita mau kita angkut kesini


Trimaran!! Keren ini kapal, sayang ga pake water jet atau kombinasi gas engine biar lebih ngacir. Tapi kok C705 ya? jd kurang semangat

Intinya Trump itu minta dagang surplus ke US bro... makanya kmarin bukan main ngototnya jualan f16 padahal linenya dah nyaris ketutup, kita cuma kaya jadi pasar kalau sebelah dapat ayam suir beku, kita bagian dapat pesawat yg desainnya dah 40tahun.. wkkk.. mayan drpada dapat ayam transgenik

 

[Nike]

Intinya Trump itu minta dagang surplus ke US bro... makanya kmarin bukan main ngototnya jualan f16 padahal linenya dah nyaris ketutup, kita cuma kaya jadi pasar kalau sebelah dapat ayam suir beku, kita bagian dapat pesawat yg desainnya dah 40tahun.. wkkk.. mayan drpada dapat ayam transgenik

F16 still lethal though, Russian jets Su35 even must content against block 52 Turks Lol. It seems we must review our Flanker fleets, while we just keeping a squadron of them. F 15 like Sinkies had or FX variant truly would be a crazy game changer in the region, if we got them TNI AU must be using them as Bomb trucks and Maritime interdiction roles.

 

[Gundala]

F16 still lethal though, Russian jets Su35 even must content against block 52 Turks Lol. It seems we must review our Flanker fleets, while we just keeping a squadron of them. F 15 like Sinkies had or FX variant truly would be a crazy game changer in the region, if we got them TNI AU must be using them as Bomb trucks and Maritime interdiction roles.

Yeah it is still lethal. The thing with Flanker fleets is its combat range, and FX is a gambling zone for now as any other new fighter, it usually takes time for it to mature (bug fix, minor design flaw, etc). So I think 1 more SKA flanker is still needed to fill the gap, unless we can manage to get 3 or 4 ska of F16 in the next 5-10 years.

 

[barjo]

F16 still lethal though, Russian jets Su35 even must content against block 52 Turks Lol. It seems we must review our Flanker fleets, while we just keeping a squadron of them. F 15 like Sinkies had or FX variant truly would be a crazy game changer in the region, if we got them TNI AU must be using them as Bomb trucks and Maritime interdiction roles.

Why not event croos in my mind ngapa nga sekalian F15 yg double engine, tuh mesin sama kaya F16, since the rumour skirmish result between Sukhoi India and F16/J17 pakistan, I grew a bit doubt about BVR capabilities of Sukhoi and now adding with Turks, But as long as I knew BVR is east blog biggest con

 

[Nike]

Why not event croos in my mind ngapa nga sekalian F15 yg double engine, tuh mesin sama kaya F16, since the rumour skirmish result between Sukhoi India and F16/J17 pakistan, I grew a bit doubt about BVR capabilities of Sukhoi and now adding with Turks, But as long as I knew BVR is east blog biggest con

Not that we had much chance in early 2000, but today we got a lot of chance, so why not to strike it while it is hot. US need more trade balance, we need their product for our defense needs, so why not sign a deal to get a win win. US got a lot to offer, and much more interesting to me compared to Russia. Their ships, radar, armor, everything

 

[NEKONEKO]

Why not event croos in my mind ngapa nga sekalian F15 yg double engine, tuh mesin sama kaya F16, since the rumour skirmish result between Sukhoi India and F16/J17 pakistan, I grew a bit doubt about BVR capabilities of Sukhoi and now adding with Turks, But as long as I knew BVR is east blog biggest con

Well yes but actually no, our F16 is powered by GE or PW engine?

US got a lot to offer, and much more interesting to me compared to Russia. Their ships, radar, armor, everything

Yes, but embargoes and sanctions are lurking

 

[barjo]

Well yes but actually no, our F16 is powered by GE or PW engine?


Yes, but embargoes and sanctions are lurking

The OCU PW and the 25ID I'm not sure, if its ex national guard it should be GE

Sorry latest i check all PW

 

[Raduga]

Why not event croos in my mind ngapa nga sekalian F15 yg double engine, tuh mesin sama kaya F16, since the rumour skirmish result between Sukhoi India and F16/J17 pakistan, I grew a bit doubt about BVR capabilities of Sukhoi and now adding with Turks, But as long as I knew BVR is east blog biggest con

Dulu pernah ada petinggi TNI yang nyinggung F-15 dan mereka bilang kalo ada "budget" nya , btw i think f-16 is not really a feasible option/choice to fill our squadron gap right now , the production line is almost completely full especially after tha taiwan request for their dozen of f-16 , if we still choose f-16 as a choice , would be likely getting it in decade (2030 or more) when the f-16 are going starting to be an obsolete platform , or maybe an upgraded secondhand one, why not choose the latest gripen with AESA radar and with f414 engine ? I know it could be a logistic nightmare for now but having an f414 powered plane right now could benefit us for the future upcoming KF-X for commonality

 

[HellFireIndo]

Yeah it is still lethal. The thing with Flanker fleets is its combat range, and FX is a gambling zone for now as any other new fighter, it usually takes time for it to mature (bug fix, minor design flaw, etc). So I think 1 more SKA flanker is still needed to fill the gap, unless we can manage to get 3 or 4 ska of F16 in the next 5-10 years.

Then we'll get 1-2 Skadron of fighters that does not conform to the rest of the mainly "western tech" fighters dominated Air Force, and will eventually burden the Military for their technical maintenance and management issues. We literally send these Flankers halfway around the world to Belarus everytime they needed heavy maintenance, while at the same time avoid dealing with the Russians as much as possible due to the CAATSA threat.

Why should we invest money to accommodate these meager amount of Sukhois that will not benefit us in the long run? In the future, the Air Force will mainly possess F-16s and FXs, or anything that could carry the AMRAAM and Sidewinders, also the rest of the Military is already increasingly gone "west", with the fact that the Tanks and the Ships are also mainly Western (NATO). The current ToT and self-sufficiency program of our Inhan also imply more western technology and expertise to be acquired, while for "eastern" tech? almost none, with only some noteworthy ambition such as the C705 reverse-engineering.

Where will the Sukhois be in this situation? 2 Squadrons of fighters from a sanctioned country, that does not conform to NATO standardization, that is also notoriously maintenance-heavy, while we currently seeking the acquisition, technology transfer and co-production of a fighter that was planned to have on-par or even higher performance to the Sukhois but with more advanced technologies onboard, what is the use of Sukhois if this will be the case? 1.1 billion USD, that could be instead used to acquire NATO-standard figters or to fund the FX program.

 

[Nike]

Well yes but actually no, our F16 is powered by GE or PW engine?


Yes, but embargoes and sanctions are lurking

Not that we cant circumvent such embargo, US made weapons usually got a lot of user and spare parts producer. Just for F 15 alone they let Saudi and Japan to produce spares and other tools. F 16, you know the user itself still a lot and many countries license produce them. You know high risk high profit.

 

[umigami]

Well yes but actually no, our F16 is powered by GE or PW engine?


Yes, but embargoes and sanctions are lurking

All of them PW f100-220