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[radialv]

Then why not give the money or budget to TNI instead of giving $2 billion as a PMN to BUMN. The defense ministry can acquire a lot of asset with so much money

political wise, so that the budget for the military does not look bigger than top priority program, the budget for infrastructure, imho

 

[barjo]

AFAIK all APC that used ramp door also had roof door, but this BT3F design had all the doors face upward except for the two little door at the back



small little door, that why I said difficult not impossible

but still you wont open the ramp door to get flood come in would you, and use the upper hatch to escape and to get more situasional awarness, hope there are no snipers or machine gun will aim so they need fast embark cmiiw

 

[Svantana]

 

[radialv]

with the length of the Indonesian border line with neighboring countries, the number of super tucano should be enlarged

 

[striver44]

with the length of the Indonesian border line with neighboring countries, the number of super tucano should be enlarged

What ?? super tucano for border security?

 

[GraveDigger388]

with the length of the Indonesian border line with neighboring countries, the number of super tucano should be enlarged

EVERYTHING should be enlarged in number. Keyword being 'should'. Now could we or could we not, is different matter entirely.

 

[striver44]

Thales signs strategic MOU with PT Len for Indonesian radar development
April 2019 Global Defense Security army news industry
POSTED ON WEDNESDAY, 24 APRIL 2019 07:50

With over 17,000 islands and a territory stretching across 1.9 million square kilometers, ensuring air sovereignty is a strategic priority for Indonesia. Over the last 35 years, Thales has been supporting the ambitions of the Indonesian Air Force (TNI-AU) through the supply of air defense radars and air operation centers throughout the country.

At IndoDefense 2018 in Jakarta, Thales was displaying its offer for ground radar stations adapted to Indonesia's geography (Picture source: Army Recognition)

Thales is now reinforcing its support to TNI-AU with a memorandum of understanding signed with PT Len in the area of radar development, a key pillar and one of the "seven strategic industries" to be developed in Indonesia as outlined by the Ministry of Defense.

Indonesia's radar strategic project is designed to enhance, expand and strengthen national radar coverage across the country's extensive land and sea territory. Through this MoU, Thales will be providing maintenance to its existing fleet of air defense radars currently in operation with the Air Force, as well as support PT Len in training and transfer-of-technology, to build up local expertise in radar management and maintenance. Thanks to Thales' expertise in high-technology, PT Len will be able to help Indonesian operators make the best decisions when life is at stake.

The MoU further extends Thales and PT Len's years of collaboration in the defense sector, which includes earlier MoUs signed for research and transfer-of-technology in naval combat management systems. Outside of the defense sector, Thales and PT Len are also collaborating on delivering advanced signaling systems for railway projects in Indonesia and the export market, through a separate MoU signed in 2018. "Thales aligns with Indonesia's ambitions to upgrade its military capabilities while building local capabilities in R&D, system maintenance and manufacturing. We are deeply involved in the strategic defense industries in Indonesia, and this MoU enables us to support PT Len, Indonesia's leading defense electronics partner, in their goal of becoming the country's foremost experts in radars and air defense technologies," Erik-Jan Raatgerink, Country Director, Thales in Indonesia.

 

[Jatosint]

doesn't make any sense, if they really wanted to use it to distribute fuel especially in papua they should buy smaller aircraft. using A400 will only increase the cost. with pricetag of $ 2 billion USD for only 4-5 A400 it's cheaper and better to buy 2 skuadron of C130J, or 3 skuadron CN 235, or dozens of N219. It's more suitable and feasible for distributing fuel, not to mention it has far lower operational cost. Or better yet built pipping network

Cause it will be more acceptable politically

As nametag said, i don't understand the urgency or even the economical reason for Pertamina to buy A400.

I'm sorry but for me, the only 'logical' reason behind the procurement is summarized in this netizen comments:

 

[Chestnut]

Nametag,

Udah mau dibeliin itu mestinya situ bersyukur.

I'm sorry but nametag is right.

It makes no sense logistically or financially for Pertamina to procure an A400M when they should have spent it on either a fleet of more logistically sound aircraft or better piping infrastructure. Your excuse of "sdh bersyukur aja" is stupid and it excuses our government of making illogical and piss poor decisions time and time again.

Sy yang bayar pajak jd sy punya hak untuk mengkritis pemerintah jk mrk melakukan hal yg bodoh atau buang2 uang pajak kt.

Amateurs think strategy, professionals logistics.

 

[Nike]

IMDEX 2019: Indonesia orders additional LSTs
23rd April 2019 - 12:00 GMT | by Dzirhan Mahadzir in Kuala Lumpur

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Indonesia’s MoD ordered the 8th and 9th Teluk Bintuni-class LSTs for the Indonesian Navy on 12 April, awarding shipbuilder PT Bandar Abadi an IDR360 billion ($250 million) contract.

These two ships, known as AT-8 and AT-9 (‘AT’ stands for Angkut Tank, or tank transporter), will have formal names assigned once they have been built at the shipyard located in Batam in the Riau Islands.

This contract is the first for PT Bandar Abadi in regards to LSTs, probably due to the fact that PT Dok & Perkapalan Kodja Bahari (PT DKB) is yet to deliver the two ships for which it is contracted, while PT Daya Radar Utama (PT DRU) is currently busy building three more LSTs following the successful delivery of two other ships.

An initial contract was awarded to PT DKB for two ships in 2012, though KRI Teluk Kendari and KRI Teluk Kupang are yet to enter service. The delay is said to be related to PT DKB facing financial issues.

A contract for two ships was given to PT DRU in December 2015, and the two ships, KRI Teluk Bintuni and KRI Teluk Lada, were delivered in June 2015 and February 2019 respectively. The shipbuilder was then given a contract for three more ships in January 2017, and these are currently under construction.

Indonesia expects to have 12 Teluk Bintuni-class LSTs in service by 2024, leaving three more to be contracted.

Specifications of the ships vary. For example, KRI Teluk Bintuni is 120m long and capable of carrying ten Indonesian Army Leopard 2 tanks plus two helicopters and 400 personnel, while its sister ship KRI Teluk Lada is 117m long and can carry 15 Indonesian Marine Corps BMP-3F vehicles, a single helicopter and 478 personnel.

The ships have a top speed of 16kt and standard range of 6,000nm at a speed of 14kt.

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/mil-log/imdex-2019-indonesia-orders-additional-lsts/

 

[Mr. Woof Woof]

I'm sorry but nametag is right.

It makes no sense logistically or financially for Pertamina to procure an A400M when they should have spent it on either a fleet of more logistically sound aircraft or better piping infrastructure. Your excuse of "sdh bersyukur aja" is stupid and it excuses our government of making illogical and piss poor decisions time and time again.

Sy yang bayar pajak jd sy punya hak untuk mengkritis pemerintah jk mrk melakukan hal yg bodoh atau buang2 uang pajak kt.

Amateurs think strategy, professionals logistics.

Justru A400 itu untuk memperkuat logistik kita lho, sebab ada alat berat untuk mitigasi bencana yang secara tinggi dan lebar tidak dapat dimasukkan ke dalam hercules.

Ini perhitungannya :

Negeri kita punya keliling 10171 km.

Herkules punya daya jangkau 3800 km.

10171 / 3800 = 2,6765789 dibulatkan 3

Jadi ada 3 posisi atau 3 skuadron angkut berat yang dibutuhkan oleh negara Indonesia.

1 skuadron ukuran medium berisi 16 unit

Jadi dibutuhkan 16 x 3 = 48 unit hercules

Kita udah pernah beli (kalo nggak salah)

10 unit seri b
12 unit seri h
2 unit seri b tanker
8 unit seri L
9 unit seri h dari australia

10+12+2+8+9 = 41

Kecelakaan 9 unit

41 – 9 = 32 unit

Trus yang seri B ada 2 tanker di mana yang 1 sudah jatuh (termasuk dalam 9 yang jatuh tadi) dan 1 lagi mau dipensiun.

32 – 1 = 31

Trus Indonesia mau beli 5 unit seri J.

31+5 = 36

Yang dibutuhkan 48 unit, baru akan ada 36 unit, jadi kekurangannya tinggal 48 – 36 = 12 unit lagi.

1 hercules payloadnya kira2 sebesar 20,4 ton.

12 herky payloadnya = 12 x 20,4 = 244,8 ton.

Dari antara 2 tanker tadi (1 jatuh + 1 pensiun) akan diganti dengan 2 tanker baru, kemungkinan besar yang akan dibeli adalah KC46 Pegasus yang payloadnya 29,5 ton.

2 x 29,5 = 59 ton.

244,8 ton dikurangi 59 ton = 244,8 – 59 = 185,8 ton.

Jadi masih butuh sejumlah pesawat yang total payloadnya 185,8 ton.

Pesawat tersebut harus lebih besar ukuran ruang cargonya dari Hercules sehingga bisa muat alat berat untuk mitigasi bencana.

Calonnya ada 2 yaitu C17 dan A400.

C17 udah nggak diproduksi lagi jadi tinggal A400.

1 unit A400 punya kapasitas 37 ton.

Jadi berapa kira2 jumlah A400 yang dibutuhkan oleh Indonesia untuk dapat mengangkut sisa yang 185,8 ton ?

185,8 / 37 = 5,02 dibulatkan 5 unit

Jadi dibutuhkan 5 unit A400m untuk dapat mengangkut sisa yang 158,8 ton itu tadi.

https://www.indomiliter.com/akhirny...li-lima-unit-airbus-a400m-senilai-us2-miliar/

Dari 5 unit itu yang 2 unit akan dibeli oleh BUMN dengan penerbang dari AURI sebagai uji coba oleh AURI, kalo puas dengan performanya bakal dibeli lagi sisanya yang 3 unit lagi.

Jadi pengadaan A400m ini justru untuk memperkuat tersalurnya logistik ke daerah bencana yang membutuhkan alat2 berat yang besar. Kalo alat itu nggak muat di hercules maka harus dikirim pakai kapal, yang justru akan memperlambat sampainya bantuan alat berat yang dibutuhkan.



Jadi ini nggak ada urusannya dengan taktik.

Paham ?

 

[Nike]

Look like even small patrol units in remote border areas has given body armor and new bearing vest

 

[Nike]

Video bagus soal pembuatan kapal selam need our South Korean brother member here @sEoulman556

 

[Chestnut]

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Justru A400 itu untuk memperkuat logistik kita lho, sebab ada alat berat untuk mitigasi bencana yang secara tinggi dan lebar tidak dapat dimasukkan ke dalam hercules.

Ini perhitungannya :

Negeri kita punya keliling 10171 km.

Herkules punya daya jangkau 3800 km.

10171 / 3800 = 2,6765789 dibulatkan 3

Jadi ada 3 posisi atau 3 skuadron angkut berat yang dibutuhkan oleh negara Indonesia.

1 skuadron ukuran medium berisi 16 unit

Jadi dibutuhkan 16 x 3 = 48 unit hercules

Kita udah pernah beli (kalo nggak salah)

10 unit seri b
12 unit seri h
2 unit seri b tanker
8 unit seri L
9 unit seri h dari australia

10+12+2+8+9 = 41

Kecelakaan 9 unit

41 – 9 = 32 unit

Trus yang seri B ada 2 tanker di mana yang 1 sudah jatuh (termasuk dalam 9 yang jatuh tadi) dan 1 lagi mau dipensiun.

32 – 1 = 31

Trus Indonesia mau beli 5 unit seri J.

31+5 = 36

Yang dibutuhkan 48 unit, baru akan ada 36 unit, jadi kekurangannya tinggal 48 – 36 = 12 unit lagi.

1 hercules payloadnya kira2 sebesar 20,4 ton.

12 herky payloadnya = 12 x 20,4 = 244,8 ton.

Dari antara 2 tanker tadi (1 jatuh + 1 pensiun) akan diganti dengan 2 tanker baru, kemungkinan besar yang akan dibeli adalah KC46 Pegasus yang payloadnya 29,5 ton.

2 x 29,5 = 59 ton.

244,8 ton dikurangi 59 ton = 244,8 – 59 = 185,8 ton.

Jadi masih butuh sejumlah pesawat yang total payloadnya 185,8 ton.

Pesawat tersebut harus lebih besar ukuran ruang cargonya dari Hercules sehingga bisa muat alat berat untuk mitigasi bencana.

Calonnya ada 2 yaitu C17 dan A400.

C17 udah nggak diproduksi lagi jadi tinggal A400.

1 unit A400 punya kapasitas 37 ton.

Jadi berapa kira2 jumlah A400 yang dibutuhkan oleh Indonesia untuk dapat mengangkut sisa yang 185,8 ton ?

185,8 / 37 = 5,02 dibulatkan 5 unit

Jadi dibutuhkan 5 unit A400m untuk dapat mengangkut sisa yang 158,8 ton itu tadi.

https://www.indomiliter.com/akhirny...li-lima-unit-airbus-a400m-senilai-us2-miliar/

Dari 5 unit itu yang 2 unit akan dibeli oleh BUMN dengan penerbang dari AURI sebagai uji coba oleh AURI, kalo puas dengan performanya bakal dibeli lagi sisanya yang 3 unit lagi.

Jadi pengadaan A400m ini justru untuk memperkuat tersalurnya logistik ke daerah bencana yang membutuhkan alat2 berat yang besar. Kalo alat itu nggak muat di hercules maka harus dikirim pakai kapal, yang justru akan memperlambat sampainya bantuan alat berat yang dibutuhkan.



Jadi ini nggak ada urusannya dengan taktik.

Paham ?

You're making a common mistake perpetuated by defense amateurs. That is you're thinking solely on capabilities and not that of logistical cost.

Yeah, the A400M obviously can carry more but with that 158,8 tons there is literally millions of $$$ in logistics. There's a reason why all competent air forces standardize their airframes. With a new airframe, you're going to have to not only retrain your maintenance and flight crews (which cost money if you don't realize), you also need to build a new logistical infrastructure, which if you don't know is the most expensive part of operating an aircraft (which even if it doesn't fly you would still need to maintain).

It would make more sense if the Air Force (let's face it, this is just a political stunt, the A400M's are eventually going to the Air Force) replaced all their C-130's with A400M's, but they're only ordering 6 airframes whilst also simultaneously ordering C-130J's.

Those are 3 different logistical infrastructures.

Those infrastructures are going to cost us hundred of millions, if not billions, of wasted funding solely on spare parts and maintenance alone. Funding that would be better off spent on training or buying other equipment.

It would make more sense if the Air Force had just stuck with their original plan of replacing the entire C-130 fleet with J's and ordering more to make up for the original tonnage requirements. But somewhere down the line somebody probably got a commission from somebody else and now we have this clusterfuck today.

Keep in mind I work in the Defense Industry, and this blatant refusal to standardize almost anything is a VERY big problem in our military, more than you or other people realize or care to admit.

Paham?

 

[Nike]

You're making a common mistake perpetuated by defense amateurs. That is you're thinking solely on capabilities and not that of logistical cost.

Yeah, the A400M obviously can carry more but with that 158,8 tons there is literally millions of $$$ in logistics. There's a reason why all competent air forces standardize their airframes. With a new airframe, you're going to have to not only retrain your maintenance and flight crews (which cost money if you don't realize), you also need to build a new logistical infrastructure, which if you don't know is the most expensive part of operating an aircraft (which even if it doesn't fly you would still need to maintain).

It would make more sense if the Air Force (let's face it, this is just a political stunt, the A400M's are eventually going to the Air Force) replaced all their C-130's with A400M's, but they're only ordering 6 airframes whilst also simultaneously ordering C-130J's.

Those are 3 different logistical infrastructures.

Those infrastructures are going to cost us hundred of millions, if not billions, of wasted funding solely on spare parts and maintenance alone. Funding that would be better off spent on training or buying other equipment.

It would make more sense if the Air Force had just stuck with their original plan of replacing the entire C-130 fleet with J's and ordering more to make up for the original tonnage requirements. But somewhere down the line somebody probably got a commission from somebody else and now we have this clusterfuck today.

Keep in mind I work in the Defense Industry, and this blatant refusal to standardize almost anything is a VERY big problem in our military, more than you or other people realize or care to admit.

Paham?

From my standpoint, This is a deal in which not ideal at all especially for Pertamina to hold the burden of logistick and financing matter. Its purely political decision. Well a step backward from proffesionalism drive in Dahlan Iskan era.

End case