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The second pic:
in the foreground:
Both are beach assault boat, suitable with indonesian most natural condition. mostly beaches and many river.


On background:

Look like big ship compare to foreground one.
what ship is that? the shape look like warship.

End of time is near lets choose a side!!!!
In right corner world largest democracy, multicultural people, world dubbed strongest military, King of double standard Mr Ameeericaaa and left comer Asia most powerful military force and economy, thristy resource, and King of copying Mr chiiiiinaaaa

No need to choose bro.
Both are friend,,,free and active are always indonesian principle.

Just take the all advantages from their rivalry.
Clever? :D
 
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The second pic:
On background:
Look like big ship compare to foreground one.
what ship is that? the shape look like warship.

That's PC-28. 28 meter patrol boat shown in the 3rd pic at later stage.

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If I really have to choose and the world has become strongly polarized politically...I'll choose US. A lesser evil, even with Trump as president
 
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End of time is near lets choose a side!!!!
In right corner world largest democracy, multicultural people, world dubbed strongest military, King of double standard Mr Ameeericaaa and left comer Asia most powerful military force and economy, thristy resource, and King of copying Mr chiiiiinaaaa
Since when is China the strongest military in Asia? They're barely stronger than US backed Japan and S.Korea. Larger? Maybe. Strongest? Nah.

If I really have to choose and the world has become strongly polarized politically...I'll choose US. A lesser evil, even with Trump as president
I'll always choose the US. At least their people are not as arrogant and annoying as the chinese and they never screwed around in SCS like the chinese.

9 dash line my ***. If we want to use old maps from ancient empires,we could also take almost all SE Asia. But we live in a modern age with international rules. China should learn these rules first before trying to become a world power.
 
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[Intermezzo] Indonesia's first President Soekarno visiting Soviet Union in 60's
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This photos were taken around 1964's, not long after this visit, Nikita Khruschev were ousted by Leonid Brezhnev, and Pres. Soekarno were ousted by Soeharto a year later.

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With Yuri Gagarin, Nikita Khruschev and future Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev

And Soviet Premier Nikita Khruschev's visit to Bali
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Since when is China the strongest military in Asia? They're barely stronger than US backed Japan and S.Korea. Larger? Maybe. Strongest? Nah.


I'll always choose the US. At least their people are not as arrogant and annoying as the chinese and they never screwed around in SCS like the chinese.

9 dash line my ***. If we want to use old maps from ancient empires,we could also take almost all SE Asia. But we live in a modern age with international rules. China should learn these rules first before trying to become a world power.

What we should put into consideration is china's nuke... if a war erupt...and both sides willingly not to use their nuke, the winner is certainly the usa n it's allies... chinese arsenal is not as many as the usa n it's allies arsenal inventory... chinese arsenal is not in such varieties as the usa n it's allies, and some of it are not as advance as the usa are...if each side just fighting with tactics, planes, ships, bombs n rifle we wont be influence much by it... but if the chinese is more than willing to put their nuke aiming at the usa, than we got a whole different ball game

But, the way I see it, SCS conflict mainly driven by oil, not by a nation integrity, not by a nation pride to defend it's homeland... we will see a lot of drama... both sides is using the current conflict to sell weapons to the neighbouring nation in conflict area

Chinese will not use it's nuke... not if the allies dont invade chinese mainland... the stake is too high for the chinese if the chinese using nuke in SCS conflict...

That is why it is important for the chinese to use north korea as a 'nuke happy trigger nation'... to keep the south korea busy... to keep the west occupied in another front

In the end... the coming result are... EITHER...the nation in conflict with chinese is forced to cooperate with the chinese in exploiting the oil, n thus meaning the chinese succesfully defend their 'new made island'... OR... the chinese is forced to drove back to their mainland, loosing a foothold in SCS, loosing influence in the region and that also means that the usa is gaining more and more control over the region...

Whether or not a war will erupt... one of the two condition will become the future...

War will likely to erupt, because the business that comes along in wartime is such a temptating business to left behind
 
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What is your reference? Please post the link to your source
So we can check the validity of your information

Sorry to say, from your history, you are not credible enough.. your post is always start with "i heard a rumour.."
That is not acceptable..you should citate your source, otherwise we cannot distinguish it is real or just a hoax.. :p

You know better than me .. .:-)

I like the realistic statement from your Ministry of Defence ..."it is useless to purchase new fighters (under current condition with huge deficit fiscal) if we only use it only for annual military parade at October 5"

9 dash line my ***. If we want to use old maps from ancient empires,we could also take almost all SE Asia. But we live in a modern age with international rules. China should learn these rules first before trying to become a world power.

Unfortunately, No international rules can be enforced for to any "Super Power" ... USA showed it in Panama, Iraq and Afganistant. For them ...their "National Interest" is more important than "International Law" and/or "sovereignity" of other countries ...

For @waz ...Relax .. I know the limi and rule .

This is only an open discussion . or .. maybe, you want to make this thread only for "Indonesians" ..... If yes .. I will obey it .. :-)
 
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You know better than me .. .:-)

I like the realistic statement from your Ministry of Defence ..."it is useless to purchase new fighters (under current condition with huge deficit fiscal) if we only use it only for annual military parade at October 5"



Unfortunately, No international rules can be enforced for to any "Super Power" ... USA showed it in Panama, Iraq and Afganistant. For them ...their "National Interest" is more important than "International Law" and/or "sovereignity" of other countries ...

For @waz ...Relax .. I know the limi and rule .

This is only an open discussion . or .. maybe, you want to make this thread only for "Indonesians" ..... If yes .. I will obey it .. :-)
So now you admit that's just a HOAX you made huh? o_O

Discussion? What discussion? You are not discussing.. Discussion is a two way conversation BASED ON VALID INFORMATION
So far you are just throwing misleading hoaxes and still unable to citate your reference..

Mod @waz request to banned this ID permanently, up to this day this ID do not contributes at all, his post is only for trolling and flaming purposes exclusively in Indonesia thread, just check his history
 
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Indonesian military trains on Australian soil for first time since Timor crisis



The AFP abandoned a war crimes investigation against the TNI two years ago.
Members of Indonesia's army have wrapped up a comprehensive joint training exercise in Australia, signalling an improvement in relations between the two militaries since the East Timor crisis two decades ago.

For the past two weeks, Tentara Nasional Indonesia (TNI) soldiers have worked alongside 1st Brigade soldiers in Darwin as part of Exercise Wirra Jaya, which defence says was the first time an Indonesian sub-unit had trained on Australian soil since 1995.

Relations between the two nations collapsed four years later when the Australian-led INTERFET taskforce deployed to East Timor ahead of the territory's push for independence from Indonesia.

Two years ago the Australian Federal Police (AFP) abandoned a war crimes investigation into the TNI's killing of five Australian journalists at Balibo in East Timor in 1975.
Colonel Steve D'Arcy from the Army's 1st Brigade said the relationship between both armies continued to strengthen.

"We've worked together for a long time and every year, every time we do something like this, that relationship continues to strengthen and build, and it is a very strong relationship and it only gets better," he said.

"Our relationship with Indonesia is vitally important and to underpin that, operations or exercises like this are really important to developing those individual, team and also commander-to-commander relationships," he added.

Since September 11, elements of 5 RAR and the Indonesian Army's 203rd Mechanised Battalion have taken part in partnered combined arms training, urban operations training and a number of professional military education serials.

This morning, Indonesian and Australian soldiers exchanged parting gifts at a farewell parade at Darwin's Robertson Barracks.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-...alian-soil-for-first-time/7872764?pfmredir=sm




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How Indonesia Beat Back Terrorism—for Now
One theory for why ISIS hasn’t gained traction in the world's largest Muslim-majority country

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There tends to be more focus on why terrorist groups flourish in certain countriesthan why they fail in others. But Jonathan Tepperman, the managing editor ofForeign Affairs, has just investigated the latter question. In his new book The Fixa series of case studies of government successes ranging from Canada’s welcoming immigration policies to Mexico’s triumph over political gridlock—he examines Indonesia, which boasts the largest Muslim population in the world.

And he makes a striking claim at a time when terrorism seems to be spreading: While small-scale attacks occasionally occur in the country, “The big truth is that Indonesia has come close to effectively eliminating the threat of extremist violence” from Islamic terrorist groups.

Tepperman lists five factors behind Indonesia’s success. (Tepperman’s definition of “success” isn’t everyone’s. Most people would agree that reducing terrorist activity is a good thing, depending on the methods employed. But Tepperman assumes that strengthening liberal, secular, Western-style democracy is also an obvious good. Others might ask: What’s wrong with Indonesians choosing illiberal, Islamist democracy instead? Just because political Islam is popular in a given country doesn’t mean Islamic militancy is.)

The five factors below offer insight into some of the root causes of terrorism and Islamic extremism, but they also reveal the limits of Indonesia as a model—both on its own merits and for other countries.


The story of the Indonesian government’s campaign against extremism, Tepperman told me, is the story of a nation “getting it right at one particular moment in time,” through luck as much as skill and improvisation as much as strategy—and often merely by taking more steps forward than back. It’s a story, in other words, of imperfect and impermanent fixes.

1) Support democracy and pluralism

When Suharto, Indonesia’s dictator for more than three decades, was forced to resign in 1998 amid economic crisis, deadly riots, and political protests, the country’s transition to democracy was immediately threatened. Violence eruptedbetween Christians and Muslims, and separatist insurgencies escalated. “Will Indonesia fall apart?” The Guardian wondered in 1999. It was a fair question to ask about a diverse, destabilized country of 250 million people strewn across thousands of islands.

Indonesia didn’t fall apart. And Tepperman credits the country’s post-Suharto presidents—Abdurrahman Wahid (“Gus Dur”), Megawati Sukarnoputri, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono (“SBY”), and now Joko Widodo (“Jokowi”)—with keeping the state intact and fortifying democracy, despite their various failings as leaders. Gus Dur, for example, defended the rights of ethnic and religious minorities; Megawati and SBY sought to minimize the role of the military and religion in politics.

These leaders showed “the Indonesian people that democracy is an attractive alternative [to] not just military rule, but Islamic rule as well,” Tepperman told me. They demonstrated that “democracy works.”


The Indonesia expert Sidney Jones made a similar point to my colleague Edward Delman earlier this year, in explaining why relatively few Indonesians are joining ISIS. “Indonesia is a country that doesn’t have a repressive government, is not under occupation, it’s politically stable, so there’s no social unrest or conflict, and the Muslims aren’t a persecuted minority,” she said.

2) Adopt parts of the Islamists’ political agenda

Indonesia’s most conservative Islamist political parties haven’t performed well at the polls in recent years. Tepperman argues that this is in part because SBY undermined their appeal after elections in 2004, when a Muslim Brotherhood-style party made a strong showing. SBY acknowledged that the Islamist party’s twin campaign promises—reducing poverty and combating corruption—were urgent tasks in Indonesia, adopted the agenda as his own, and implemented policies as president to address them (whether those policies succeeded isdebatable). Indonesia’s current president has focused on similar issues. “To deal with radicalism and extremism, we need to deal with economic inequality,” Jokowi told Tepperman in 2014.

Hard-line Islamist parties must also contend with a “tolerant,” eclectic version of Islam that has been present in Indonesia since the religion first came to the Southeast Asian island in the 13th century, via Arab and Indian traders, Tepperman notes. But he adds that more orthodox Sunni practices from the Middle East have been widely embraced in Indonesia over the last few decades.

largely secular rule of Suharto, few have extremist religious beliefs. Over 70 percent of Indonesian Muslims support making sharia, or Islamic law, the nation’s legal code, according to a 2012 Pew survey—a higher percentage than in Muslim-majority countries like Tunisia and Turkey, but lower than in states such as Iraq and Malaysia. Four percent of Indonesians have a favorable view of ISIS, according to another recent survey. Six percent of Indonesian Muslims saysuicide bombing in defense of Islam is often or sometimes justified—a small percentage that has only gotten smaller over the last decade and a half.

“Indonesia’s success against radicalism has nothing to do with secularism,” Tepperman told me. “The country is steadily becoming more pious, and yet it’s becoming less radical at the same time.”


3) Bring Islamist parties into government

“What you see in countries like Egypt, Syria, elsewhere is: The worst thing that you can do to Islamist parties is ban them from government entirely, because that lets them promise everything under the moon, preserve an immaculate reputation, and present themselves as tribunes of the oppressed people,” Tepperman told me.

SBY, by contrast, brought several Islamist parties into his coalition and cabinet—in part to amass sufficient legislative support to govern, but also, Tepperman suspects, to co-opt the Islamists and expose them as ordinary politicians, not saviors. “Sure enough, like you’ve seen in places like Gaza with Hamas and in Egypt with the Muslim Brotherhood, these parties tend not to be very good at actually governing,” Tepperman said. Islamist politicians in Indonesia have, for instance, been busted for taking bribes and even watching **** in the legislature.

4) Go after terrorists hard

Terrorist attacks in Indonesia spiked following Suharto’s fall, culminating inbombings on the island of Bali in 2002 that killed over 200 people. In response, Megawati created a counterterrorism unit called Densus (Detachment) 88 that, with U.S. and Australian assistance, has aggressively targeted militants ever since. (In July, Indonesian security forces killed the country’s most notorious jihadist, Santoso, who had pledged loyalty to ISIS.)

Still, the gains in counterterrorism—terrorist groups have been dismantled, and attacks in the country have declined, if unevenly, since 2002—have come at a cost. Densus 88 has been accused of torturing detainees, killing suspected terrorists when they could have been captured and put on trial, and committing other human-rights violations.

killed four people. And several hundred Indonesians are thought to have traveled to Syria and Iraq to join militant groups, raising the specter of renewed terrorist activity in Indonesia.


Still, Tepperman advised putting that number in perspective. “While there’s now a lot of hand-wringing about ISIS, the number of Indonesians who’ve actually joined the organization is tiny,” he said. “The best estimates are something like 400 or 500 people. And remember, we’re talking about a population which is the fourth-largest in the world and it’s the largest Islamic country in the world. … That represents a smaller number in per-capita terms than the number of Belgians who have joined ISIS.”

5) … But not too hard

“Repression only breeds more extremism,” Tepperman told me. “That was a lesson that Indonesia’s democrats learned under the dark years of dictatorship when they themselves were repressed.” As a result, the Indonesian government has primarily taken a law-enforcement approach to terrorism, tasking the police with countering the threat rather than rely on a military tainted by its affiliation with the Suharto regime. The government holds public trials for terrorism suspects and attempts to rehabilitate convicted terrorists in prison.

“Detachment 88 officers (most of whom are Muslims) often join their terrorist prisoners in prayer,” the Soufan Group, a security consultancy, reported in 2013. “Muslim clerics are also brought in to discuss Islamic theology with the inmates and explain the wider contexts of passages that are often exploited by extremist clerics in pursuit of their violent objectives. ... [Inmates] are subsequently provided with post-prison release assistance, including employment.” Here too, though, the record is mixed. Indonesia’s deradicalization programs have had “limited success,” the Institute for Economics and Peace, which tracks terrorism trends around the world, concluded in 2015.

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The problem with applying these lessons to a country like Saudi Arabia (which has deradicalization programs but not democracy) or Tunisia (which has democracy but the world’s largest delegation of fighters joining ISIS) is that what Tepperman is describing isn’t necessarily a reproducible “fix.” There are no “five” ways to defeat Islamic extremism, but there are ways to try and make sense of Indonesia’s relative tranquility. That’s what Tepperman has done.

“The big truth is that Indonesia has come close to effectively eliminating the threat of extremist violence,” Tepperman writes. An alternative truth is that Indonesia, through complicated and controversial means, has, for the moment, significantly reduced the threat of extremist violence from terrorists. It’s certainly an achievement, but it’s one that lies somewhere between a stopgap and a solution.

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Prajurit Batalyon Tim Pertempuran (BTP) Yonif 715 MTL, Kodam VII/Wirabuana mengikuti latihan pertempuran antar kecabangan di Desa Poleonro, Kabupaten Bone, Sulawesi Selatan, Minggu (25/9/2016). Setelah melaksanakan operasi selama tiga bulan, prajurit Kodam VII/Wirabuana menggelar latihan Operasi Insurjen yang berlangsung selama tujuh hari di area militer Dodiklatpur Rindam.

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@UMNOPutra the thing is, your attitude. You always start everything with "I heard that..." "There's a rumor...." etc.etc.etc..... Yet you can't provide any RELIABLE SOURCE except "A Singaporean analyst..", "You should know better than me..." and so on...

Let me tell you this, mate; Better ask than to say something like if you know anything about.

MAYBE you are right. BUT, we don't have any capacity to make any statement like it's 1000 % gonna happen. WE ALL don't.

That's how this thread goes.
 
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Indonesia is interested in purchasing Russia's Beriev Be-200 amphibious aircraft, the deputy chief of Russia's state arms exporter Rosobonexport said Thursday.

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GELENDZHIK (Krasnodar Territory, Russia) (Sputnik) – Rosoboronexport Deputy Director General Sergey Goreslavsky said an Indonesian delegation headed by its air force chief of staff was examining the Be-200's capabilities.

"They are interested in purchasing the aircraft of this class, which is as a matter of fact unique," Goreslavsky said at the Gidroaviasalon 2016 international exhibition in Russia's Black Sea town of Gelendzhik.

Goreslavsky said his company was working with the Indonesian delegation to "outline a program of further cooperation in the framework of this project."

The Beriev Be-200 is well suited to firefighting missions. It can take in up to 12.5 metric tons of water in the space of a few seconds while traveling over a body of water before dropping the load on the flames.


Read more: https://sputniknews.com/business/20160922/1045586575/indonesia-russia-be-200.html
 
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Please do not respond to that false-flagger-coward-troll here, respond him on the malaysian thread instead if you like. Don't "help" him cluttering this thread.
Hey man, at least I responded his post with manner. It was just something that I felt I had to do to not make us look bad..

Lu lagi lu lagi. Dua orang diatas ini memang GOBLOK itu sudah. Kelakuan kaya anak SMP ngrusak thread sendiri!!

cheers.

Says someone who always act hostile..
 
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