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"25 frigates like PKR" is the key words here. In my interpretation, it is not necessarily all of them will be similar in design though. PT PAL itself has also been in design work currently with the help from ITS university, as previous news reported. So after 10 frigates using Damen design made by PT PAL, maybe they come up with something new after that for another 10 ships to catch up with the latest design like better stealth shape ones maybe.

Talking about time frame. There are still other big shipyard like Kodja Bahari which also state owned enterprise that can fasten the plan though, since the production facility there hasnt yet been optimized due to lack of orders and current economic situation like Today.

Talking about missile, with such large acquisition (that I see as a reasonable plan considering Indonesia size and challenge in the future) Indonesia must license built the missile system to ensure the production in the future. And as we all know, the ships weapon can also be upgraded over time.

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LST built by Kodja Bahari
Thats navy oiler ship bro, LST have front door for amphibious platform deployment.
 
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From pindad twitter

Its great, although i am expect them to order it in much larger number like 200 units
 
It baffles me how Indonesia with such a large economy compared to other ASEAN countries, Taiwan, Israel, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Poland, Kazakhstan, North Korea, Egypt, Pakistan, Sweden and many more countries continues to be so badly equipped.

There is apparently very little firepower available to its Air Force, Navy, Ground Forces or Strategic Forces. I am not even sure if you have a strategic force to be honest, since you have failed to launch your SLV in 2014, as scheduled, nor was there any intermediate range or medium range ballistic missile ever tested by the Indonesian military.

What is the reason for this lack of firepower? Is this the bureaucratic culture? Lack of vision? Military history? Industrial prowess? There is no reason an aspiring region power should be outgunned by a tiny city-state like Singapore.
 
It baffles me how Indonesia with such a large economy compared to other ASEAN countries, Taiwan, Israel, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Poland, Kazakhstan, North Korea, Egypt, Pakistan, Sweden and many more countries continues to be so badly equipped.

There is apparently very little firepower available to its Air Force, Navy, Ground Forces or Strategic Forces. I am not even sure if you have a strategic force to be honest, since you have failed to launch your SLV in 2014, as scheduled, nor was there any intermediate range or medium range ballistic missile ever tested by the Indonesian military.

What is the reason for this lack of firepower? Is this the bureaucratic culture? Lack of vision? Military history? Industrial prowess? There is no reason an aspiring region power should be outgunned by a tiny city-state like Singapore.

Calm down, we are in the right path at this moment, no need to be rush. You better see our sticky aerospace thread to understand our future plan for Air Force which is currently still weak but with a very good industrial capability. And that capability will be further developed into much greater scale of industrial capabilities since we just launch new product in civilian sector that can potentially boost production scale.

We are developing rocket for SLV though.

City state Singapore is afraid to us btw, thats why they have 60 F 16 block 52, and 40 F 15, with around 4 tankers.
 
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It baffles me how Indonesia with such a large economy compared to other ASEAN countries, Taiwan, Israel, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Poland, Kazakhstan, North Korea, Egypt, Pakistan, Sweden and many more countries continues to be so badly equipped.

There is apparently very little firepower available to its Air Force, Navy, Ground Forces or Strategic Forces. I am not even sure if you have a strategic force to be honest, since you have failed to launch your SLV in 2014, as scheduled, nor was there any intermediate range or medium range ballistic missile ever tested by the Indonesian military.

What is the reason for this lack of firepower? Is this the bureaucratic culture? Lack of vision? Military history? Industrial prowess? There is no reason an aspiring region power should be outgunned by a tiny city-state like Singapore.


Lack of immediate enemies, Of all the countries you named, almost all of them are in war-like circumstances. The current MEF program is aimed to fulfill the minimum essential force to guard the integrity of Indonesia against small and medium external threats. For example, Indonesian military in its peak operated a range of long range bombers to battle-cruisers because it was threatened by multiple adversaries in 1950s-60s. Moreover, current MEF program is also aimed at ramping up technological advancement of local strategic industries not producing at such massive scales.

Current military improvements are aimed more at the personal level and intelligence network since our immediate enemies are mostly terrorists.
 
Calm down, we are in the right path at this moment, no need to be rush. You better see our sticky aerospace thread to understand our future plan for Air Force which is currently still weak but with a very good industrial capability. And that capability will be further developed into much greater scale of industrial capabilities since we just launch new product in civilian sector that can potentially boost production scale.

We are developing ballistic missile currently though...........

City state Singapore is afraid to us btw, thats why they have 60 F 16 block 52, and 40 F 15, with around 4 tankers.

Brother, I am calm as it is.

You may think there is no need to rush, but can you, me or any other human being guarantee that conflict will not break out at any moment? Besides, military might is a very useful tool of diplomacy and that is where tiny statelets like Singapore, Israel, and a lot of others outdo Indonesia.

Vietnam and Myanmar has more active troops in their armed forces than Indonesia, too, if I am not wrong.

Can you show us your medium range or intermediate range ballistic missiles brother? Any test? Videos? Specifications?

Civilian aerospace industry is not what I was talking about. Indonesian Air Force lacks firepower of any sorts for a country with such a great land area.
 
It baffles me how Indonesia with such a large economy compared to other ASEAN countries, Taiwan, Israel, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Poland, Kazakhstan, North Korea, Egypt, Pakistan, Sweden and many more countries continues to be so badly equipped.

There is apparently very little firepower available to its Air Force, Navy, Ground Forces or Strategic Forces. I am not even sure if you have a strategic force to be honest, since you have failed to launch your SLV in 2014, as scheduled, nor was there any intermediate range or medium range ballistic missile ever tested by the Indonesian military.

What is the reason for this lack of firepower? Is this the bureaucratic culture? Lack of vision? Military history? Industrial prowess? There is no reason an aspiring region power should be outgunned by a tiny city-state like Singapore.

Lack of firepower it doesn't mean lack of vision or whatsoever. I don't think my country is so bad in term of firepower and military prowess compared to any middle power country in this world. You can said we lack in terms of air force power even compared to Singapore and Malaysia, but if it needed my country can do such crash programme to increase the level of power significantly. But right now we are living in peace, our neighbor is relatively calm too. For what we must maintain such large navy army and airforce if only draining our national resources unnecessarily? Just look at the dire condition of Pakistan and Egypt, they even can barely standing with half of their stomach is empty. With our geographic conditions and socio culture of my people, it is not the large of armed forces who can tied us together but the prevalence of social ordee be accompanied with equality in economic progress.

But you dont dare trying to provoked us in any arm races because it will be get ugly for most of our neighbors
 
Lack of immediate enemies, Of all the countries you named, almost all of them are in war-like circumstances. The current MEF program is aimed to fulfill the minimum essential force to guard the integrity of Indonesia against small and medium external threats. For example, Indonesian military in its peak operated a range of long range bombers to battle-cruisers because it was threatened by multiple adversaries in 1950s-60s. Moreover, current MEF program is also aimed at ramping up technological advancement of local strategic industries not producing at such massive scales.

Current military improvements are aimed more at the personal level and intelligence network since our immediate enemies are mostly terrorists.

Let's not dwell on the past.

We are talking about the present. At present, Indonesian Armed Forces severely lack in firepower. It's amazing.

Sweden? It has no immediate threats, and yet, it is far better equipped than Indonesia.

Same is true for Thailand or Singapore, or Vietnam. If you notice, Egypt signed the peace treaty with Israel, so Egypt does not have any real threats to its existence or borders either, but it still stocks up on a serious amount of western and other equipment for all branches of its military, even though, much like Indonesia, its domestic industry is deficient.

Singapore also stocks up on such an insanely high amount of weapons compared to Indonesia, that Singapore actually has stronger Army, Navy and Air Forces compared to Indonesia - in aggregate, based on equipment.

That is mind boggling if you think about it.

It's a bit like how Israel is/was so much stronger than Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia or Syria (pre-civil war) in terms of its active inventory of weapons despite being so much smaller.

Indonesia can not pretend to be a regional power without any serious industrial might (steel industry, automotive brands, consumer electronics brands, banks and pharmaceutical companies etc) science and technological output, top universities, or military might. That is what surprised me. I wish the best for all of the Muslim world, but as you know, Indonesia as it is, already represents about 1 in 7 of every Muslim in the world.

That is why I was surprised that Indonesian Air Force is even less well equipped than Jordan.

Lack of firepower it doesn't mean lack of vision or whatsoever. I don't think my country is so bad in term of firepower and military prowess compared to any middle power country in this world. You can said we lack in terms of air force power even compared to Singapore and Malaysia, but if it needed my country can do such crash programme to increase the level of power significantly. But right now we are living in peace, our neighbor is relatively calm too. For what we must maintain such large navy army and airforce if only draining our national resources unnecessarily? Just look at the dire condition of Pakistan and Egypt, they even can barely standing with half of their stomach is empty. With our geographic conditions and socio culture of my people, it is not the large of armed forces who can tied us together but the prevalence of social ordee be accompanied with equality in economic progress.

But you dont dare trying to provoked us in any arm races because it will be get ugly for most of our neighbors

Maybe your command of the English language is a tad too poor to compensate for your lack of comprehension of strategic affairs, so it does sound a little weird.

I wish the best for Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei and all Muslim in general.

My question is, and your reply fails to answer it, why is Indonesia so poorly armed?

Why do you need to take a dig at Pakistan or Egypt?

Compared to Singapore or Australia, Indonesia is at least 10 times poorer on average. So Indonesians are worse than half-empty-stomach beggars in their eyes, and true, Indonesia sends millions of maids to Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia and other rich countries. But none of those countries make these excuses, and when they have a strong armed force, they make sure its firepower is at least proportionate to its size.

I am just asking, is there any country of Indonesia's size (180 million + population) anywhere in the world that is weaker than Indonesia in military firepower?

Singapore or Israel are far stronger than Indonesia, Australia is still stronger than Indonesia, and they sure do not go hungry. Your argument is inadequate brother.

Whatever the case, I wish the best for Indonesia, and if you want Indonesia to be a strong regional player that can defend its interests, a strong armed force is a necessity.
 
Brother, I am calm as it is.

You may think there is no need to rush, but can you, me or any other human being guarantee that conflict will not break out at any moment? Besides, military might is a very useful tool of diplomacy and that is where tiny statelets like Singapore, Israel, and a lot of others outdo Indonesia.

Vietnam and Myanmar has more active troops in their armed forces than Indonesia, too, if I am not wrong.

Can you show us your medium range or intermediate range ballistic missiles brother? Any test? Videos? Specifications?

Civilian aerospace industry is not what I was talking about. Indonesian Air Force lacks firepower of any sorts for a country with such a great land area.

Brother, you sound like another @Zarvan .......:)

Trust me mate, we are heading into the goal you are suggesting, inshaAllah, as non-Indonesian member in PDF, you of course are not as knowledgeable as we, Indonesian member in here, regarding our nation industrial capability and its future plan. Including our defense industry recent cooperation and future products.

Latest rocket launch is RX 450, with possibility to launch bigger caliber rocket RX 550 this year. We intend to launch our own rocket with our own satellite before 2020. 50 kilogram satellite first of course.

 

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