Indonesia Defence Forum

[Nike]

yo'i, kebanyakan ignorant, 11/12 sama komentator diplomat kalo menyangkut indonesia, kalo ga masalah agama, masalah papua merdeka, ga ada benernya indonesia dimata mereka.

They all is troll, once i made comment there and i regret it till now.


Indonesian armed forces since long actually wanna to acquire tactical ballistic missile capability. During Soekarno era there is kartika project and long been hiatus until 90 decade. Actually spme brass from Air Force had urging the army to acquire them directly from foreign sources, namely Scud missiles, but the plan is abandoned because the unreliability of Scud to hit their intended targets, the army want a more precise ones.

Then the programme gained momentum lately. With the commencement of Rhan and Rx project along with the acquisition of Astros along with promise about TNI can acquire AV 300 missile as soon as they had acquire clearence for operational use. Well war in Ukraine severely disrupt some projects with Ukraine partner, including the development of ballistic missile system.

 

[Indos]

Indonesia defense industry part 2

The future of the national
defense industry
Harry Kuffal, Jakarta | Opinion | Mon, January 28 2013, 10:25 AM

Two important events related to the defense industry marked the beginning of 2013. The first was the Centre for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) report on defense market trends in Europe and the second was the US Congress approval of the federal budget for 2013.

CSIS reported a defense spending decline in 37 European countries from ¤263.1 billion (US$352 billion) in 2001 to ¤220.0 billion in 2011. But the budget per soldier increased from ¤76,700 in 2001 to ¤100,800 in 2011.

The second event came on Jan. 1, when the US Congress compromised and approved a budget worth $3,800 billion. It includes a $672 billion defense budget, of which $613 billion can be directly spent (nondiscretionary) and “only” about $216 billion is for procurement. It is easy to predict that both developments will result in an influx of offers of US and European defense industrial products to Indonesia.

Coincidentally, in October 2012 the House of Representatives endorsed the Defense Industry Law, constituting the most historic landmark since premier Juanda introduced the archipelagic concept by the end of the 1950s as the basis for Indonesia’s defense industry development.

Only in 1980 did the government form a Defense Industry Development Team (TPIH) to study and recommend several companies and institutions categorized as strategic and defense industries, which were later managed by the Strategic Industries Management Agency (BPIS). Ten of the state-owned enterprises, including aircraft maker IPTN, ship builder PT PAL Indonesia, weapons maker PT Pindad, explosives manufacturer Dahana and steel producer Krakatau Steel (KS) put in good performances in terms of liquidity and solvency even after the 1997 Asian financial crisis. When consolidated in the BPIS, their profitability ratio increased.

Their situation was undermined when the International Monetary Fund (IMF) demanded suspension of aid as well as programs for Indonesia’s aeronautic and maritime technological development and the government’s strategic industrial procurement. In 2002 PT BPIS was dissolved.

After 10 years of confusion, some of the companies have reawakened and recovered such as Dahana and Pindad. Others like train car maker PT INKA have started making profits and KS has become a listed company with the potential to grow into a giant iron and steel holding company.

It should be admitted, however, that the strategic and defense industries have been stagnant and lacking orientation. It is almost certain they will remain unable to support self-sufficiency in defense, particularly in meeting the need for primary weaponry systems.

As for their supporting industries, Indonesia seems to be already independent and capable. Various initiatives have been made to revitalize these industries. Yet the intricacy of developing healthy strategic and defense industries is seen from two main points of view.

In the first place, the demand side, where the government serves as a single consumer, in effect a monopsony. Various problems arising such as limited budget allocations, complicated bureaucratic mechanisms and low confidence of users in national industrial products have weakened the country’s defense industry.

A decision by the Indonesian Military (TNI) and National Police (Polri) to use domestically produced weapons and the Defense Industry Law should constitute the main asset to synchronize measures with the national defense industry to achieve strong state defense capabilities.

On the other hand is the supply side. The national defense industry is generally unsound in financial and managerial terms and is less competitive than its foreign competitors.

The US teaches us a lesson. In the early Cold War period of the 1950s, the US was “surprised” by the Soviet Union’s successful launch of the first manmade satellite, Sputnik. The US was harder hit when the Soviet Union sent a dog, Laika, into space and later cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin made the first manned space flight.

The spirit to keep abreast of the latest advances was voiced by then president Kennedy, who unified his nation with a campaign to land the first man on the moon. Consequently, all the existing resources were mobilized in a highly focused and integrated way.

The US defense industry soon had advanced technological applications for its army, naval and air forces because research and development costs were borne by the national moon-landing program. The US government also granted contracts to its defense industry to develop future fighter aircraft by utilizing Apollo program technology.

Obviously, the US defense industry enjoys indirect subsidies. All the facilities related to R&D and production become government property, so that they were not listed as assets and imposed no corporate burden. Such subsidies and facilities certainly are beyond comparison with Indonesia, which dissolved the BPIS in 2002 so that the relevant companies have had to bear R&D costs for a relatively limited market.

Lessons on government commitments to successful defense industry development can be learned from China, Brazil, South Korea and Turkey. Even more extreme forms and patterns involve the defense industry development of Israel and Singapore because they have the perception of threats or embargos by surrounding countries.

On Dec. 9, 2009, President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono called for defense industry efficiency and revitalization with the aim of creating defense and security with a minimum essential force; an increase in the defense budget in correlation with the GDP and with reference to future warfare, doctrines and geographic conditions; the ability to perform multi-role tasks by preparing for military operations other than war; and to make designation according to necessity and interoperability.

With a clear legal umbrella and presidential direction, the Defense Ministry is expected to be able to coordinate the procurement of primary weaponry systems and the development of the national defense industry. The goals can be realized through a focus of activity declared as a National Program, which should constitute a consensus and be formulated by an official institution: the Committee on Defense Industry Policy (KKIP).

In the short (five-year) term, the government can utilize the defense industry’s production capacity and capability through offset mechanisms like countertrade, joint production and measured transfers of technology. In the medium term, the TNI and Polri as users should provide input and evaluate the products being developed according to their needs. In the long term, users and the defense industry should jointly study the necessity for new products based on the defense strategy and other elements already indicated by the President.

The National Program is certainly only one way of developing the defense industry and will depend greatly on studies of the potential and perception of threats faced by the military and police. The other move is strengthening the strategic industrial structure to improve financial and human resources performance, for which the sole option to be considered is industrial consolidation.

A feasible consolidation alternative involves industries more engaged in the production of primary weaponry systems like Pindad, Dahana, LEN, INTI and DI; for the formation of an aeronautic and defense holding company such as EADS in Europe. Meanwhile, PAL, DPS, IKI, BBI, Barata, DKB and INKA can combine to form a shipping and heavy industry holding company such as Hyundai Heavy Industries, now the largest in the world.

With the two new holding companies, supported by the KS holding industry specializing in iron and steel, a synergy would definitely be created in terms of the management and structural reinforcement of the defense industry in Indonesia.

Through the consolidation of R&D, allocations can be managed by integration (fund pooling) so as to reduce the load on relevant industries. Sound strategic industries are the main prerequisite for the development of an independent national defense industry and its strategic nature necessitates the government through the KKIP to guarantee its vitality. An independent defense industry is not merely meant for defense but also for public welfare.

The writer is president director of state-owned explosives producer PT Dahana. The opinions expressed are his own -

See more at: The future of the national defense industry | The Jakarta Post

 

[Nike]

Btr 40, being retrofitted virca 95 to 96. Almost 85 units being retrofitted at the time

All of the refit works being done in Army workshop

 

[anas_nurhafidz]

KORPASKHAS TERAPKAN PURAHBANGKOT

KORPS Pasukan Khas (Korpaskhas) TNI AU punya cara dalam menghadapi ancaman serangan teroris. Mereka menyebutnya PURAHBANGKOT atau metode pertempuran daerah bangunan kota.

Menurut Komandan pusdiklat Paskhas Kolonel Pasukan Wahyu Hidayat, Purahbangkot merupakan salah satu metode dalam merespons perkembangan ancaman teroris yang selalu mengincar daerah perkotaan. Di samping, memiliki pelatihan senjata nuklir, biologi dan kimia. Taktik itu berkembang sesuai perkembangan zaman dan pengetahuan logika.

Dirinya juga menyampaikan, pada bulan Maret akan melaksanakan latihan terjun tempur, gunung hutan, rawa, laut dan perebutan pangkalan. ’’Kita itu dapur, dan batalion-batalionnya yang merasakan. Sudah ada bekal untuk mengatasinya (ancaman musuh) untuk (personel) disebar ke seluruh Indonesia,” ungkap dia usai apel pagi Program Kerja Operasi Korpaskhas di Bidang Latihan.

Korpaskhas Terapkan Purahbangkot | Bandung Ekspres Online

 

[Nike]

Credit to antifamous, look majestic indeed

 

[anas_nurhafidz]

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Credit to antifamous, look majestic indeed

"TNI AL perlu 25 unit kapal di kelas ini," kata Supandi, saat itu.

Komisi I-TNI AL rapat soal pembangunan arsenal militer - ANTARA News

di rapat beliau pengennya 25 unit. Yang 4 dulu pak diteken kontraknya

 

[Indos]

"TNI AL perlu 25 unit kapal di kelas ini," kata Supandi, saat itu.

Komisi I-TNI AL rapat soal pembangunan arsenal militer - ANTARA News

di rapat beliau pengennya 25 unit. Yang 4 dulu pak diteken kontraknya

So, it is clear now that Navy plan is to have 25 frigates since he is our Navy Commander. Previous plan given in here has been scrapped then.The plan has similarity though in term of number with previous Navy plan in late 90's, but in the past they intend to build 20 corvettes, so now 25 frigates which are better.

For PT PAL, In the economic condition like Today, it is good for them to get order until 25 frigates since trade is going down and hence order for civilian ships like containers and tankers will be difficult to get. I predict this situation will last for at least 6 years to come, so the plan will give PT PAL the opportunity to grow in a dire business climate like Today. Once the economic climate start to be in booming level again ( more trade/ oil price rises so more container ships and tankers are needed ), PT PAL, potentially, has already gained many technical expertise and better financial condition thus has more competitiveness in shipbuilding industry to catch civilians ships order around the world.

This new plan should also be supported with at least 80 KFX/IFX fighters and 32 Su 35 to give air superiority situation for the frigate fleets, plus missile technology must be acquired so that those frigates and fighter planes are equipped with enough missiles.

The plan should be realized in a step by step basis though, as I always post in here that the critical situation is actually after 2024.

To make the money poured in defense sector become more effective with huge side effect inside, the acquisition plan should be done with the aim not only to empower the military but also our defense industry, and later to make our defense companies become world class high tech companies that are also competitive in non-military products. The goal that actually has already been started to reach by almost all of our major defense companies nowadays.

 

[Nike]

"TNI AL perlu 25 unit kapal di kelas ini," kata Supandi, saat itu.

Komisi I-TNI AL rapat soal pembangunan arsenal militer - ANTARA News

di rapat beliau pengennya 25 unit. Yang 4 dulu pak diteken kontraknya

Lebih tertarik bahas itu gimana cara dapet angka 25 nya? Disusul dgn pertanyaan urgensinya apa sampai 25 PKR kok gak yg lain? Disusul pertanyaan lain gimana kira2 cara indhan bisa produksi itu 25 PKR dan time limit yg dikehendaki itu sampai kapan? Sekarang mungkin disain PKR itu tergolong modern tapi 15 tahun lg kemungkinan besar sudah bakalan ketinggalan jaman dibanding kompetitornya dan mungkin saja beberapa komponen vital macam missile spt VL MICA sudah gak diproduksi dan disupport lg macam Lekiu yg 15 tahun lalu termasuk paling modern di kawasan tapi sekarang?

Begitulah kira2 pertanyaan yg muncul tadi siang

 

[Indos]

@madokafc

"25 frigates like PKR" is the key words here. In my interpretation, it is not necessarily all of them will be similar in design though. PT PAL itself has also been in design work currently with the help from ITS university, as previous news reported. So after 10 frigates using Damen design made by PT PAL, maybe they come up with something new after that for another 10 ships to catch up with the latest design like better stealth shape ones maybe.

Talking about time frame. There are still other big shipyard like Kodja Bahari which also state owned enterprise that can fasten the plan though, since the production facility there hasnt yet been optimized due to lack of orders and current economic situation like Today.

Talking about missile, with such large acquisition (that I see as a reasonable plan considering Indonesia size and challenge in the future) Indonesia must license built the missile system to ensure the production in the future. And as we all know, the ships weapon can also be upgraded over time.

LST built by Kodja Bahari

 

[Nike]

Kodja bahari need some reform in management first before they can be tasked with a more complect programme. The LST projects still left unfinished

Sure adjustment and some improvement can be made into the then design so they can ne upto to the real time challenges. But all of all every body need a real answer for the question until when they want to build the PKR? If they can give the time, the designer can cope with design who can match up with the challenges and opportunities of the new tech. The shipyard can made calculations on how far the resources and infrastructures needed to build the fleets. The gov. can made calculations on how far fund needed to paid the prices to build such fleets. And other

@Indos

And for godsake @Indos thats not LST picture, thats oiler ship

 

[MarveL]

Indonesia Weighs Banning Citizens From Fighting for Islamic State
After attacks, Jakarta is considering allowing for longer detention of suspects

Indonesian police officers patrol near the site of last week’s terrorist attacks in Jakarta on Jan.


JAKARTA, Indonesia—Indonesia plans to expand preventive counterterrorism powers following deadly attacks last week, including barring citizens from fighting for Islamic State overseas and allowing for longer detention of suspects, officials said Tuesday.

Antiterrorism laws and regulations in the Southeast Asian nation “need expansion in the areas of prevention,” said Zulkifli Hasan, speaker of the full assembly of parliament, who took part in a meeting of the country’s political and judicial leaders against a backdrop of demands to tighten security measures.

President Joko Widodo told reporters that the takes were “preliminary”’ and declined to comment on the proposed changes or set a timetable.

Security officials have long said that the country’s antiterrorism laws are weak on measures such as detention, setting too high a bar for the evidence required to detain suspects. Police complain they can only arrest suspects once they have committed a crime, such as buying explosives, and are unable to hold suspected militants in preventive detention long enough to develop cases.

In Indonesia, it isn’t illegal to be a member of Islamic State, also known as ISIS, or to fight for the militant group abroad.

ISIS has claimed responsibility for the attacks in downtown Jakartalast week that left four attackers and four civilians dead. Police have arrested at least eight people in connection with the attack.

Luhut Pandjaitan, Indonesia’s coordinating minister for security, legal and political affairs, said the government was considering whether to pursue a change to the counterterrorism law, a lengthy process involving parliament, which passed only three bills in all of 2015, or more quickly by issuing a regulation.

“The point is we want to give authority … for pre-emptive" action, Mr. Pandjaitan said, such as by adding broader powers of detention for up to two weeks.

Mr. Hasan pointed to a lack of legal means to charge Indonesians who go overseas to join Islamic State.

“That needs to be addressed,” he said. And “People who carry out training for terror acts, there’s no clause [to charge them]. The police have asked for this‎.”

Authorities have said that hundreds of Indonesians are believed to have traveled to the Middle East to join ISIS.

Under Indonesia’s antiterrorism law, enacted in the wake of terrorist bombings that killed more than 200 people on the island of Bali in 2002, police can detain suspects for seven days if they have evidence of a criminal act of terrorism.

On Tuesday, officials blocked a website that appeared to belong to Bahrun Naim, a Syrian-based Indonesian close to the ISIS leadership whom police say transferred money to the Jakarta assailants. The site was blocked last week but resurfaced Monday with a different domain name.

Mr. Naim’s brother, Dahlan Zaim, told a news conference Saturday in the city of Solo, the family’s hometown in central Java, that his family had no recent contact with him. “We’ve been out of touch with him for a long time,’’ Mr. Zaim told reporters.

The author of the website denounced Indonesia’s antiterror police and said that the Jakarta attack was carried out in retaliation for the West’s strikes on Muslim in Indonesia and around the world.

Changing counterterrorism regulations in Indonesia is controversial. For many Indonesians, stronger detention powers hark back to the era of strongman Suharto, who used the military to stay in power for three decades until his ouster amid street protests in 1998.

The counterterrorism law was passed in 2003 amid a wave of attacks by Islamic extremists but nonetheless made efforts to guarantee civil liberties, such as by leaving powers of arrest and detention only to the police.

Irman Gusman, speaker of a body of regional representatives who was present at the meeting, said that representatives were aware of those concerns and revisions “must be very precise.”

Indonesia Weighs Banning Citizens From Fighting for Islamic State - WSJ



Turkey invites Indonesia to cooperate in defense industry
Senin, 18 Januari 2016 23:28 WIB

Jakarta (ANTARA News) - Turkey has invited Indonesia to cooperate in the defense industry and arms equipment domains by involving strategic partners in the country.

"Firstly, Turkey must involve our domestic defense industry, and secondly, it must build cooperation in research and development," Indonesias Minister of Industry Saleh Husein said after receiving a Turkish government delegation here on Monday.

Turkey, the minister said, must prove its seriousness by taking these two concrete steps as these are linked with Indonesias national interests.

He said international cooperation could spur existing national defense industries and boost the use of local components.

Research and development activities reflect a long-term cooperation vision besides promoting technology transfer and joint production in line with Indonesian military needs, he said.

"Several countries are already cooperating with defense industries in the country, such as PT PAL (ship building), Pindad (arms industry) and LEN (electronics), proving our capabilities. Turkey certainly knows it and, therefore, is approaching Indonesia. The only condition for cooperation is that it must come up with proposals that also benefit Indonesia," he said.

Pindad, the minister said, has cooperated with arms system company from Belgium, CMI Defense, and a missile company from Sweden, SAAB Dynamics AG.

Similarly, for maintenance and modification of Indonesian military (TNI) equipment, Pindad which is a state-owned company based in Bandung, West Java, has also cooperated with RLS from Germany.

PT PAL Indonesia, also a state-owned company based in Surabaya, East Java, meanwhile is involved in joint production activity with Dutch Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding. It is a missile escort destroyer project.

Besides cooperating with domestic industries, the minister said he had encouraged cooperation in the field of research and development by involving the ministry of research, technology and various universities, the ministry of state enterprises and the ministry of defense to undertake research and development.

ANTARA News : Portal Berita Indonesia

@Indos

And for godsake @Indos thats not LST picture, thats oiler ship

ngakak gwe... mado ni kejem...

 

[Indos]

@Indos

And for godsake @Indos thats not LST picture, thats oiler ship

 

[Bennedict]

Indonesian Army delegations visiting Australian Army in 2012, to study more about Armoured Warfare...and to getting touch with M1A1 Abrams. Leopard 2 procured instead.


credit to uploader

 

[Indos]

Old news but still interesting as I dont see it in our local news during that time

Indonesian war planes violate PNG airspace
Updated at 12:33 pm on 18 May 2015

A Papua New Guinea report says two Indonesian military jets were scrambled to confront an Australian Defence Force aircraft near the border over West Sepik on Friday.

The Post Courier reports the information was in a PNG intelligence report which said in the process, the Indonesian aircraft violated PNG air space although the presence of the Australian aircraft was also a surprise.

Neither the Australians nor the Indonesians have confirmed the incident.

However PNG Air Services, which is responsible for air traffic movement, says that it approved the flight of the Australian Kingair aircraft over West Sepik.

According to the intelligence report the Indonesian jets flew over Wutung village, which is next to the PNG-Indonesia border post.

PNG Customs Service officers at the Wutung, servicing the border post, also confirmed this.

The incident comes a month after a group of Indonesian soldiers were alleged to have made a brief unauthorised border crossing.

Indonesian war planes violate PNG airspace | Radio New Zealand News

Indonesian Air Force

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We will soon know the real capability of F 35 if Australia want to play some game in the sky, soon after they get F 35 and we can have our Su 35.

Vs

Su 35

 

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A lot of brazilian seems frustrated with their social and political condition that have severely dragged down economy and their defence industry.