Had to rewrite the comment because I've prematurely submitted it by mistake.
If Rafale come out as the champion in the end, I hope they make HUGE commitment to it. Locally produce sparepart, Possibility to upgrade to F4 standards, etc..
I'm not so sure anymore how much the Indonesians are engaged with the deals with Korea so I can't say for sure but if they are planning to cancel the deal for additional Korean submarines and quit KF-X they better commit into the deals with France in such occasion. Scorpene and Rafale are both superb weaponry although a bit expensive. Full F4 standard is still a few years away and France is also planning to procure the so called F3.5 which has some features of F4 standard so Indonesia might get those F3.5 standard jets as well. Though imo it's better to wait for those few years and get F4 standard. France already have delayed the delivery of Rafales to FAF in order to deliver it to India and Egypt more quickly so they might do the same for Indonesia as well.
Well, it could be ToT for thales Spectra, or SCALP missile, or Talios Pod, ANYTHING...
If DI can't handle it, how about LEN ?
(Biar mulus borong langsung banyak gitu 48 atau lebih, just like the old news of Prabowo's visit to france)
Don't expect ToT of those kind of critical technology, especially from the French. They are even more notorious talking about ToT compared to for example, the US. In case of US its hard to get the approval of the congress but once you get that, they keep their promises. French are the ones who don't even keep those promises. Koreans learnt it the hard way.
SCALP could be a possibility considering how the Koreans got the critical tech of KEPD 350 Taurus missile but that was a very special occasion. Taurus was nearing end of production so Korea's order literally saved the production line. ROKAF procured almost half of what Germany has acquired, 260 missiles in total. They were committed to funding the development of smaller version of the missile for FA-50 and are cooperating in it. Although now the Koreans are developing their own ACM which would eventually compete with Taurus in export market, they've also provided the opportunity to expand into the niche market thus the reason KEPD 350 is still in the market is, like I've said, thanks to Korea in the first place.
Other example would be SOM. Lockheed wanted to compete with JSM on F-35 launched ACM market so they helped Turkey out technologically. It only turned out to be a failure because LM wasn't able to expect the shit show that happened in Turkey's political and diplomatic sides of affairs.
If Indonesia wants to have same kind of leverage, SCALP needs to first be in a dire situation commercially and should procure SCALF in large numbers. That's the minimal requirement. Investing into the program like funding the development of further variant could sweeten the deal as well. I'm not so sure if Indonesia would be this committed into the SCALF procurement though.
Not sure why you said this
. We got 28 F-16 block 25 + 2 F-16 block 15 for free in 2011. We only needed to pay for the refurbishment/upgrade cost, delivery, etc, but not for the aircraft itself.
You laughed at the idea of 100 freebies/EDA F-16? Well, let's see. The USAF still operate around 700-800 F-16 C/D with active forces and around 300-400 F-16C/D with Air National Guard. They want to replace most of them with F-35. So it's still possible.
Speaking of SU-35, it'll be hilarious if the result of the talks is that the U.S. will give us a special waiver to proceed with our SU-35 deal with the Russians
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Korea tried to get some second hand F-16s from the USAF around 2018 or so for stop gap until KF-X is ready but was eventually declined by the US MoD because every F-16 in AMARG were "too worn off and had too much mechanical stress on the airframe". That is the newest information regarding the F-16s in the US so I would keep my opinion. Maybe Indonesia is okay to take those F-16s which ROKAF wouldn't but I think it rather is just a change of situation compared to 2011.
I don't dare to dream anymore bro . I just don't dare
Mostly because i haven't see their formal offer in written document as yet . And like mang ujang used to say to me ...
When thing was sound too good to be true it usually it is . And Korean mutant taught us a very hard lesson allready .
Just let it flow ... Let it flow ... Even the written contract could be nulled in our flowered beloved country . I'll take everything with a bucketload of salt .
Hura percoyo yen ra ono futune ...
Guess by "Korean Mutant" you mean the subs Indonesia got from Korea? Not so sure what you are trying to emphasize regarding this matter as I don't exactly know every news and detail about the subs, though you sound quite negative concerning those affairs so I'll say I'm curious. Would you mind if I ask?
Though you are right saying "When thing was sound too good to be true it usually it is". Like I've said thos subs were 100% funded by the Korean govn. loans. What you get in such terms, you usually cannot complain about.
Also, even though those Russian jets are still a possibility, I don't think the Indonesians would go buy those horrendous nightmares. There's a reason countries like Malaysia and India are trying to get away from those jets. The plane itself are not bad although not top-notch, but the system behind is absolutely abysmal. Same story applies literally to any kind of Russian equipment. Be it armors, submarines, jets. The only kind of weapon from Russia that are half decent in making are those SAM systems and even those are showing its weaknesses in Middle East and Caucasus.
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