Indonesia Defence Forum

[Azull]

For real, i thought the plan to purchase additional MBT in MEF II was scrapped

https://www.rancah.com/teknologi/91...ncar-mbt-altay/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

It really doesnt make any sense. If they really want to add more MBT the most logical move would be to buy more leopard whether its new or used to avoid logistical nightmare.

 

[Cromwell]

Prototipe micro recon helicopter
Litbang Kopassus ( 2018 )

Credit to Lembaga Kajian Pertahanan Negara Strategis

 

[Nike]

 

[Philip the Arab]

View attachment 656932 View attachment 656933 View attachment 656934 View attachment 656935 View attachment 656937

Locally produced optics?

 

[Nike]

It really doesnt make any sense. If they really want to add more MBT the most logical move would be to buy more leopard whether its new or used to avoid logistical nightmare.

Altay share many commonality with Leopard 2 though, their prototypes using Renk power pack and MTU engine, their cannon using L55 smooth bore Cannon. But i am more inclined to bought more Leopard 2 in this case

 

[Nike]

Locally produced optics?

If they are Theon big chance it was being assembled in Pindad-Theon laboratorium. If not most of them outright being imported.

 

[Azull]

Altay share many commonality with Leopard 2 though, their prototypes using Renk power pack and MTU engine, their cannon using L55 smooth bore Cannon. But i am more inclined to bought more Leopard 2 in this case

Thats true, but i think their electronics and sub system is different tho since its majority developed indigenously by Turkish Aselsan.

 

[umigami]

Altay share many commonality with Leopard 2 though, their prototypes using Renk power pack and MTU engine, their cannon using L55 smooth bore Cannon. But i am more inclined to bought more Leopard 2 in this case

But they can't use MTU engine and transmission anymore.

Do we gonna buy engine and transmission separately from another vendor and pindad will put them together, Then slap "karya anak bangsa" label on them?

 

[Chestnut]

The Altay is literally dead in the water as a result of Erdogan's shenanigans much like their T129 program. If we really do need more tanks just buy more from Germany. This plan makes absolutely ZERO sense.

 

[kooppyyy]

I was thinking the same thing bro, then one obrolan di warung kopi lead to life cycle cost. To make things short we ended up agree that we better let the A/B upgraded the same way with our latest F16.

Nggak lah, yang program upgrade A/B itu lebih mumpuni Kok dari yang C/D, dari radar sama IFF nya aja udah keliatan.

We have the tendency to down grade it abit due to cost saving or perhaps to save something for someone

Hush, di mana2 pelicin itu nggak bisa di hindari, it just cost of doing business .

Isn't the $4-6 billion in the expected F-16V deal also include upgrade of our current F-16C/D to F-16V? Looking at other countries that acquired F-16V, it make sense though

God, I sure hope so. As someone else points out before, sensibility di negara kita itu often far & between.

Btw, should we yet again become the first-user?

 

[Philip the Arab]

The Altay is literally dead in the water as a result of Erdogan's shenanigans much like their T129 program. If we really do need more tanks just buy more from Germany. This plan makes absolutely ZERO sense.

South Korean tank is not an option?

 

[kooppyyy]

The Altay is literally dead in the water as a result of Erdogan's shenanigans much like their T129 program. If we really do need more tanks just buy more from Germany. This plan makes absolutely ZERO sense.

lmao might as well buy that run-down Spanish stock of Leopard 2A4E

 

[Chestnut]

South Korean tank is not an option?

It is but in the context of standardization it's better to just get more Leopard 2's.

 

[Philip the Arab]

It is but in the context of standardization it's better to just get more Leopard 2's.

Yes, it probably it better to get more.

 

[HellFireIndo]

Nggak lah, yang program upgrade A/B itu lebih mumpuni Kok dari yang C/D, dari radar sama IFF nya aja udah keliatan.

Hush, di mana2 pelicin itu nggak bisa di hindari, it just cost of doing business .

God, I sure hope so. As someone else points out before, sensibility di negara kita itu often far & between.

Btw, should we yet again become the first-user?

View attachment 656948

Performance not good enough IMO, its' competitors have higher range