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so far that i know, POLRI use domestic plate armor made by private local company, dunno with TNI, but i think it's the same

Actually I am a bit sceptical if a private local company can make some thing like that, I am afraid it is just a trader company by stamping their own made logo to foreign company product. If Balai Besar Keramic bullet proof product will be mass produced, I believe they will prefer state owned companies to do that job.

The research itself is started in 2016 with the request of defense ministry. Logically, if our private local company have already been able to make it by themselves so why there is a request from defense ministry to that government institution to make it ?
 
Local can made helmet, plate armor, it just they must import the raw material Aramid like fiber like Nomad, Technora or Twaron. To made it locally better to invite foreign investment to put their manufacturing unit here.
 
and those locally made armor plate and helmet are good quality, there's a news about TNI grunt being ambush and shot multiple time in the chest and side helmet with AKs and survived
 
They did, at least in Papua in which most of TNI casualties (since late 2018) being shot in the area which is not covered by bulletproof vest (hips, thigh/legs, lower abdomen, etc)

And face....

and those locally made armor plate and helmet are good quality, there's a news about TNI grunt being ambush and shot multiple time in the chest and side helmet with AKs and survived

Yeah, we might have failure bias when it come to talking about the quality of our troops armor. The shots that are stopped by the armor rarely get into the newspaper reports. Come to think of it though, almost every time I hear about an ambush casualty they're always shot in areas armor doesn't cover. So good news I guess.

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Coronavirus could see Papua New Guinea, Indonesia become failed states
By foreign affairs reporter Melissa Clarke

Posted Yesterday
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The full scale of the outbreak in Indonesia is still unclear.(Reuters: Willy Kurniawan)
Countries with pre-existing conditions — poverty, limited healthcare, ineffective or corrupt governments — are fragile, and it is these countries that COVID-19 is threatening to push to the brink of survival.

Some have argued the United States has made solid start on the journey to failed-state status.

But for the Australian Government, the real concerns lie just to the north: Papua New Guinea and Indonesia.

Despite their obvious differences, both are at risk of becoming failed states because of the potential for a rapid decay of health, economic circumstances and — in a worst-case scenario — disintegrating public order.

In Canberra, thoughts have turned to what would happen if either country plunged into chaos.

It is not an indicator of the likelihood, but a rather recognition that Australia's proximity to the countries means the possibility can't be ignored.


PNG on the precipice
Of all the Pacific nations struggling with twin health and economic crises, PNG is closest to the failed-state precipice.

PNG's brew of debt-laden government, poor health services and social fragmentation means it is uniquely placed to suffer at the hands of coronavirus.

So far, eight coronavirus cases have been detected in PNG, but there's little to commend in the low numbers.

They've been detected in four different provinces, with no clear source for most.

It's likely the virus is already spreading in the community without detection and without treatment.

COVID-19 will be an added burden to the country, which is struggling to cope with myriad other preventable diseases, such as tuberculosis and malaria.

Already looking for an emergency restructure of debt before the pandemic hit, it now has to deal with a downturn in the commodities market, which is a calamity for a resource-dependent country.

"It's hard to define what a crisis looks like in Papua New Guinea," Mr Pryke said, because the usual markers, such as "unstable government and struggling institutions, are already a common experience".

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The Australian High Commission in Papua New Guinea has been teaching locals COVID-19 preventative measures.(Twitter: John Philip)


Indonesia late to act
In Indonesia, COVID-19 is spreading rapidly across the archipelago.

There are currently close to 9,000 detected cases of the virus and there have been more than 700 deaths.

But, as with PNG, the numbers don't tell the real story.

In the early days of the global pandemic, Indonesia appeared strangely free of the virus while its South-East Asian neighbours detected cases and scrambled to respond.

The limited testing that has been done, and the spread of verified cases in neighbouring countries, suggests the virus has a much larger presence in Indonesia than claimed.

Fears virus will lead to chaos
Australian Government officials fear that should coronavirus spiral out of control in either country, there is a real risk of public disorder and chaos.

That could be prompted either by political unrest due to frustration at government inability to contain the virus or offer treatment, or lawlessness as people fight for meagre medical resources or even food.

The existing hardships in PNG make such a scenario less likely, according to Mr Pryke.

"Institutions in PNG are already doing very little for the average Papua New Guinean," he said.

"The vast majority get on with life without expecting much from their Government."

However, the crisis could further weaken Port Moresby's control of the country.

"National identity is already a weak concept," Mr Pryke said.

"There has been a push to move to more province-based control and we might see more of that."

Of particular concern is the Highlands, where there is already tribal-based violence and conflict over land.
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/coronacast/latest-segments/12025304
Prime Minister Scott Morrison and Foreign Affairs Minister Marise Payne are in almost daily contact with PNG Prime Minister James Marape — more than any other international leader.

The Australian Government has more confidence in Mr Marape's ability to handle the crisis than previous administrations, but grave concern that won't be enough to prevent disaster.

Mr Marape was already attempting to restructure the nation's crippling 27 billion kina ($11.8 billion) debt burden, having secured a short-term loan from Australia to buy time to come to a deal with the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

But since the pandemic began smashing the global economy, about 80 countries have sought emergency financial help from the IMF.


It explains, in part, why Mr Morrison pressed the need for the international community to support Pacific countries at both a recent virtual meeting of G20 leaders and in a phone call with US President Donald Trump.

The Government also feels the weight of historical duty to help PNG, as well as the international community's belief that it is Australia's responsibility.

Further financial support for PNG is possible, but there is little appetite and limited means for more comprehensive intervention.

In the best-case scenario, in which PNG officials coordinate a strong response to the virus, the country could still be beset by imported cases via its porous border with Indonesia.

PNG faces 'pivotal moment'
In a global pandemic where so much is unknown, it is impossible to plan for every eventuality.

In considering how to balance the needs of neighbours with the needs of Australian citizens at this time, Mr Kemish poses this question:

"Is it acceptable for Australia to have a neighbour that is ungoverned?"

He said churches, charities and corporations, which all had strong links in the region already, could help Australia's neighbours through this time too.

For PNG, Mr Kemish believes the COVID-19 outbreak will be "a pivotal moment".

"This really is one of its most challenging moments since independence," he said.

However he said PNG had proven to be resilient.

"PNG has been judged by some to be on the verge of being a failed state almost constantly since independence, but rumours of its demise never really materialised."
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This news is from the ABC, a national australian news outlet. Won't comment too much on their pessimism on Indonesia, but I hv to admit that there is truth to it. We were slow to act on corona, and while I believe that most of Indonesia will ride this through, Papua is in a really bad spot. We must hope that those two provinces, along with other East Indonesian provinces receive sufficient support from the rest of Indonesia.
 
Yeah, we might have failure bias when it come to talking about the quality of our troops armor. The shots that are stopped by the armor rarely get into the newspaper reports. Come to think of it though, almost every time I hear about an ambush casualty they're always shot in areas armor doesn't cover. So good news I guess.

_____________________________

Coronavirus could see Papua New Guinea, Indonesia become failed states
By foreign affairs reporter Melissa Clarke

Posted Yesterday
12185860-3x2-xlarge.jpg

The full scale of the outbreak in Indonesia is still unclear.(Reuters: Willy Kurniawan)
Countries with pre-existing conditions — poverty, limited healthcare, ineffective or corrupt governments — are fragile, and it is these countries that COVID-19 is threatening to push to the brink of survival.

Some have argued the United States has made solid start on the journey to failed-state status.

But for the Australian Government, the real concerns lie just to the north: Papua New Guinea and Indonesia.

Despite their obvious differences, both are at risk of becoming failed states because of the potential for a rapid decay of health, economic circumstances and — in a worst-case scenario — disintegrating public order.

In Canberra, thoughts have turned to what would happen if either country plunged into chaos.

It is not an indicator of the likelihood, but a rather recognition that Australia's proximity to the countries means the possibility can't be ignored.


PNG on the precipice
Of all the Pacific nations struggling with twin health and economic crises, PNG is closest to the failed-state precipice.

PNG's brew of debt-laden government, poor health services and social fragmentation means it is uniquely placed to suffer at the hands of coronavirus.

So far, eight coronavirus cases have been detected in PNG, but there's little to commend in the low numbers.

They've been detected in four different provinces, with no clear source for most.

It's likely the virus is already spreading in the community without detection and without treatment.

COVID-19 will be an added burden to the country, which is struggling to cope with myriad other preventable diseases, such as tuberculosis and malaria.

Already looking for an emergency restructure of debt before the pandemic hit, it now has to deal with a downturn in the commodities market, which is a calamity for a resource-dependent country.

"It's hard to define what a crisis looks like in Papua New Guinea," Mr Pryke said, because the usual markers, such as "unstable government and struggling institutions, are already a common experience".

12177724-4x3-large.jpg

The Australian High Commission in Papua New Guinea has been teaching locals COVID-19 preventative measures.(Twitter: John Philip)


Indonesia late to act
In Indonesia, COVID-19 is spreading rapidly across the archipelago.

There are currently close to 9,000 detected cases of the virus and there have been more than 700 deaths.

But, as with PNG, the numbers don't tell the real story.

In the early days of the global pandemic, Indonesia appeared strangely free of the virus while its South-East Asian neighbours detected cases and scrambled to respond.

The limited testing that has been done, and the spread of verified cases in neighbouring countries, suggests the virus has a much larger presence in Indonesia than claimed.

Fears virus will lead to chaos
Australian Government officials fear that should coronavirus spiral out of control in either country, there is a real risk of public disorder and chaos.

That could be prompted either by political unrest due to frustration at government inability to contain the virus or offer treatment, or lawlessness as people fight for meagre medical resources or even food.

The existing hardships in PNG make such a scenario less likely, according to Mr Pryke.

"Institutions in PNG are already doing very little for the average Papua New Guinean," he said.

"The vast majority get on with life without expecting much from their Government."

However, the crisis could further weaken Port Moresby's control of the country.

"National identity is already a weak concept," Mr Pryke said.

"There has been a push to move to more province-based control and we might see more of that."

Of particular concern is the Highlands, where there is already tribal-based violence and conflict over land.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison and Foreign Affairs Minister Marise Payne are in almost daily contact with PNG Prime Minister James Marape — more than any other international leader.

The Australian Government has more confidence in Mr Marape's ability to handle the crisis than previous administrations, but grave concern that won't be enough to prevent disaster.

Mr Marape was already attempting to restructure the nation's crippling 27 billion kina ($11.8 billion) debt burden, having secured a short-term loan from Australia to buy time to come to a deal with the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

But since the pandemic began smashing the global economy, about 80 countries have sought emergency financial help from the IMF.


It explains, in part, why Mr Morrison pressed the need for the international community to support Pacific countries at both a recent virtual meeting of G20 leaders and in a phone call with US President Donald Trump.

The Government also feels the weight of historical duty to help PNG, as well as the international community's belief that it is Australia's responsibility.

Further financial support for PNG is possible, but there is little appetite and limited means for more comprehensive intervention.

In the best-case scenario, in which PNG officials coordinate a strong response to the virus, the country could still be beset by imported cases via its porous border with Indonesia.

PNG faces 'pivotal moment'
In a global pandemic where so much is unknown, it is impossible to plan for every eventuality.

In considering how to balance the needs of neighbours with the needs of Australian citizens at this time, Mr Kemish poses this question:

"Is it acceptable for Australia to have a neighbour that is ungoverned?"

He said churches, charities and corporations, which all had strong links in the region already, could help Australia's neighbours through this time too.

For PNG, Mr Kemish believes the COVID-19 outbreak will be "a pivotal moment".

"This really is one of its most challenging moments since independence," he said.

However he said PNG had proven to be resilient.

"PNG has been judged by some to be on the verge of being a failed state almost constantly since independence, but rumours of its demise never really materialised."
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This news is from the ABC, a national australian news outlet. Won't comment too much on their pessimism on Indonesia, but I hv to admit that there is truth to it. We were slow to act on corona, and while I believe that most of Indonesia will ride this through, Papua is in a really bad spot. We must hope that those two provinces, along with other East Indonesian provinces receive sufficient support from the rest of Indonesia.

Indonesia national power is too great to be affected fundamentally, chaos and disrupt of order in several spots or provinces maybe happened but to become a failed states one need more than a virus to beat us. Indonesia had going through disaster after disaster even at epic scales in which any Australian living had none of experiences of it but thats not failed us as a country.

This Wuhan commies virus is already at their dead ends in several months, and economy and order soon being back again
 
Yeah, we might have failure bias when it come to talking about the quality of our troops armor. The shots that are stopped by the armor rarely get into the newspaper reports. Come to think of it though, almost every time I hear about an ambush casualty they're always shot in areas armor doesn't cover. So good news I guess.

_____________________________

Coronavirus could see Papua New Guinea, Indonesia become failed states
By foreign affairs reporter Melissa Clarke

Posted Yesterday
12185860-3x2-xlarge.jpg

The full scale of the outbreak in Indonesia is still unclear.(Reuters: Willy Kurniawan)
Countries with pre-existing conditions — poverty, limited healthcare, ineffective or corrupt governments — are fragile, and it is these countries that COVID-19 is threatening to push to the brink of survival.

Some have argued the United States has made solid start on the journey to failed-state status.

But for the Australian Government, the real concerns lie just to the north: Papua New Guinea and Indonesia.

Despite their obvious differences, both are at risk of becoming failed states because of the potential for a rapid decay of health, economic circumstances and — in a worst-case scenario — disintegrating public order.

In Canberra, thoughts have turned to what would happen if either country plunged into chaos.

It is not an indicator of the likelihood, but a rather recognition that Australia's proximity to the countries means the possibility can't be ignored.


PNG on the precipice
Of all the Pacific nations struggling with twin health and economic crises, PNG is closest to the failed-state precipice.

PNG's brew of debt-laden government, poor health services and social fragmentation means it is uniquely placed to suffer at the hands of coronavirus.

So far, eight coronavirus cases have been detected in PNG, but there's little to commend in the low numbers.

They've been detected in four different provinces, with no clear source for most.

It's likely the virus is already spreading in the community without detection and without treatment.

COVID-19 will be an added burden to the country, which is struggling to cope with myriad other preventable diseases, such as tuberculosis and malaria.

Already looking for an emergency restructure of debt before the pandemic hit, it now has to deal with a downturn in the commodities market, which is a calamity for a resource-dependent country.

"It's hard to define what a crisis looks like in Papua New Guinea," Mr Pryke said, because the usual markers, such as "unstable government and struggling institutions, are already a common experience".

12177724-4x3-large.jpg

The Australian High Commission in Papua New Guinea has been teaching locals COVID-19 preventative measures.(Twitter: John Philip)


Indonesia late to act
In Indonesia, COVID-19 is spreading rapidly across the archipelago.

There are currently close to 9,000 detected cases of the virus and there have been more than 700 deaths.

But, as with PNG, the numbers don't tell the real story.

In the early days of the global pandemic, Indonesia appeared strangely free of the virus while its South-East Asian neighbours detected cases and scrambled to respond.

The limited testing that has been done, and the spread of verified cases in neighbouring countries, suggests the virus has a much larger presence in Indonesia than claimed.

Fears virus will lead to chaos
Australian Government officials fear that should coronavirus spiral out of control in either country, there is a real risk of public disorder and chaos.

That could be prompted either by political unrest due to frustration at government inability to contain the virus or offer treatment, or lawlessness as people fight for meagre medical resources or even food.

The existing hardships in PNG make such a scenario less likely, according to Mr Pryke.

"Institutions in PNG are already doing very little for the average Papua New Guinean," he said.

"The vast majority get on with life without expecting much from their Government."

However, the crisis could further weaken Port Moresby's control of the country.

"National identity is already a weak concept," Mr Pryke said.

"There has been a push to move to more province-based control and we might see more of that."

Of particular concern is the Highlands, where there is already tribal-based violence and conflict over land.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison and Foreign Affairs Minister Marise Payne are in almost daily contact with PNG Prime Minister James Marape — more than any other international leader.

The Australian Government has more confidence in Mr Marape's ability to handle the crisis than previous administrations, but grave concern that won't be enough to prevent disaster.

Mr Marape was already attempting to restructure the nation's crippling 27 billion kina ($11.8 billion) debt burden, having secured a short-term loan from Australia to buy time to come to a deal with the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

But since the pandemic began smashing the global economy, about 80 countries have sought emergency financial help from the IMF.


It explains, in part, why Mr Morrison pressed the need for the international community to support Pacific countries at both a recent virtual meeting of G20 leaders and in a phone call with US President Donald Trump.

The Government also feels the weight of historical duty to help PNG, as well as the international community's belief that it is Australia's responsibility.

Further financial support for PNG is possible, but there is little appetite and limited means for more comprehensive intervention.

In the best-case scenario, in which PNG officials coordinate a strong response to the virus, the country could still be beset by imported cases via its porous border with Indonesia.

PNG faces 'pivotal moment'
In a global pandemic where so much is unknown, it is impossible to plan for every eventuality.

In considering how to balance the needs of neighbours with the needs of Australian citizens at this time, Mr Kemish poses this question:

"Is it acceptable for Australia to have a neighbour that is ungoverned?"

He said churches, charities and corporations, which all had strong links in the region already, could help Australia's neighbours through this time too.

For PNG, Mr Kemish believes the COVID-19 outbreak will be "a pivotal moment".

"This really is one of its most challenging moments since independence," he said.

However he said PNG had proven to be resilient.

"PNG has been judged by some to be on the verge of being a failed state almost constantly since independence, but rumours of its demise never really materialised."
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This news is from the ABC, a national australian news outlet. Won't comment too much on their pessimism on Indonesia, but I hv to admit that there is truth to it. We were slow to act on corona, and while I believe that most of Indonesia will ride this through, Papua is in a really bad spot. We must hope that those two provinces, along with other East Indonesian provinces receive sufficient support from the rest of Indonesia.

We will survive. Did the writer really think that Indonesia, both as a country and nation, that weak/fragile? IMO, it just another foreign writers who miss-analyzed &/ intentionally exaggerating our condition for clicks and views
 
Actually I am a bit sceptical if a private local company can make some thing like that, I am afraid it is just a trader company by stamping their own made logo to foreign company product. If Balai Besar Keramic bullet proof product will be mass produced, I believe they will prefer state owned companies to do that job.

The research itself is started in 2016 with the request of defense ministry. Logically, if our private local company have already been able to make it by themselves so why there is a request from defense ministry to that government institution to make it ?
That's a lot of faith for a state owned company.


so far that i know, POLRI use domestic plate armor made by private local company, dunno with TNI, but i think it's the same
It's all made by local private companies.


Yeah, we might have failure bias when it come to talking about the quality of our troops armor. The shots that are stopped by the armor rarely get into the newspaper reports. Come to think of it though, almost every time I hear about an ambush casualty they're always shot in areas armor doesn't cover. So good news I guess.

Again, it's not really the quality of plates or lack of body armor. The fact that the majority of casualties is the result of getting shot in unarmored areas is more due to lack of quality training, leadership, and field intelligence. You can give them all the armor and vehicles in the world but it would still mean nothing if you don't have a solid foundation of small unit tactics, NCO leadership, and ISR.
 
Talking about State Owned Enterprise, PT PINDAD or Djawatan Angkatan Darat is actually a Nationalized Dutch Company called artillerie constructie winkel Kiaratjondong. Just stop it right there, what i would said is, it seems there is degradation in capability after decades in Indonesia hands, this photo collection from Leiden university sites clearly pictured in Bandung the Dutch capable to built 7,5 cal field artillery from scracth and all of their related equipments like artillery sights, carts, munition and so on. So there is not much tall order for current PT PINDAD to secure license production of artillery tubes and manufacturing there, including heavy cannon gun for Fighting vehicles as their predecessor is very capable to do so

https://digitalcollections.universiteitleiden.nl/view/item/928983?solr_nav=


And look at those heavy machinary they had and it seems the Dutch very intensive to do business as opportunity as it is possible the Dutch exporting their products from colony to safe salary costs.

Pt pindad tempo doeloe

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Yeah, we might have failure bias when it come to talking about the quality of our troops armor. The shots that are stopped by the armor rarely get into the newspaper reports. Come to think of it though, almost every time I hear about an ambush casualty they're always shot in areas armor doesn't cover. So good news I guess.

_____________________________

Coronavirus could see Papua New Guinea, Indonesia become failed states
By foreign affairs reporter Melissa Clarke

Posted Yesterday
12185860-3x2-xlarge.jpg

The full scale of the outbreak in Indonesia is still unclear.(Reuters: Willy Kurniawan)
Countries with pre-existing conditions — poverty, limited healthcare, ineffective or corrupt governments — are fragile, and it is these countries that COVID-19 is threatening to push to the brink of survival.

Some have argued the United States has made solid start on the journey to failed-state status.

But for the Australian Government, the real concerns lie just to the north: Papua New Guinea and Indonesia.

Despite their obvious differences, both are at risk of becoming failed states because of the potential for a rapid decay of health, economic circumstances and — in a worst-case scenario — disintegrating public order.

In Canberra, thoughts have turned to what would happen if either country plunged into chaos.

It is not an indicator of the likelihood, but a rather recognition that Australia's proximity to the countries means the possibility can't be ignored.


PNG on the precipice
Of all the Pacific nations struggling with twin health and economic crises, PNG is closest to the failed-state precipice.

PNG's brew of debt-laden government, poor health services and social fragmentation means it is uniquely placed to suffer at the hands of coronavirus.

So far, eight coronavirus cases have been detected in PNG, but there's little to commend in the low numbers.

They've been detected in four different provinces, with no clear source for most.

It's likely the virus is already spreading in the community without detection and without treatment.

COVID-19 will be an added burden to the country, which is struggling to cope with myriad other preventable diseases, such as tuberculosis and malaria.

Already looking for an emergency restructure of debt before the pandemic hit, it now has to deal with a downturn in the commodities market, which is a calamity for a resource-dependent country.

"It's hard to define what a crisis looks like in Papua New Guinea," Mr Pryke said, because the usual markers, such as "unstable government and struggling institutions, are already a common experience".

12177724-4x3-large.jpg

The Australian High Commission in Papua New Guinea has been teaching locals COVID-19 preventative measures.(Twitter: John Philip)


Indonesia late to act
In Indonesia, COVID-19 is spreading rapidly across the archipelago.

There are currently close to 9,000 detected cases of the virus and there have been more than 700 deaths.

But, as with PNG, the numbers don't tell the real story.

In the early days of the global pandemic, Indonesia appeared strangely free of the virus while its South-East Asian neighbours detected cases and scrambled to respond.

The limited testing that has been done, and the spread of verified cases in neighbouring countries, suggests the virus has a much larger presence in Indonesia than claimed.

Fears virus will lead to chaos
Australian Government officials fear that should coronavirus spiral out of control in either country, there is a real risk of public disorder and chaos.

That could be prompted either by political unrest due to frustration at government inability to contain the virus or offer treatment, or lawlessness as people fight for meagre medical resources or even food.

The existing hardships in PNG make such a scenario less likely, according to Mr Pryke.

"Institutions in PNG are already doing very little for the average Papua New Guinean," he said.

"The vast majority get on with life without expecting much from their Government."

However, the crisis could further weaken Port Moresby's control of the country.

"National identity is already a weak concept," Mr Pryke said.

"There has been a push to move to more province-based control and we might see more of that."

Of particular concern is the Highlands, where there is already tribal-based violence and conflict over land.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison and Foreign Affairs Minister Marise Payne are in almost daily contact with PNG Prime Minister James Marape — more than any other international leader.

The Australian Government has more confidence in Mr Marape's ability to handle the crisis than previous administrations, but grave concern that won't be enough to prevent disaster.

Mr Marape was already attempting to restructure the nation's crippling 27 billion kina ($11.8 billion) debt burden, having secured a short-term loan from Australia to buy time to come to a deal with the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

But since the pandemic began smashing the global economy, about 80 countries have sought emergency financial help from the IMF.


It explains, in part, why Mr Morrison pressed the need for the international community to support Pacific countries at both a recent virtual meeting of G20 leaders and in a phone call with US President Donald Trump.

The Government also feels the weight of historical duty to help PNG, as well as the international community's belief that it is Australia's responsibility.

Further financial support for PNG is possible, but there is little appetite and limited means for more comprehensive intervention.

In the best-case scenario, in which PNG officials coordinate a strong response to the virus, the country could still be beset by imported cases via its porous border with Indonesia.

PNG faces 'pivotal moment'
In a global pandemic where so much is unknown, it is impossible to plan for every eventuality.

In considering how to balance the needs of neighbours with the needs of Australian citizens at this time, Mr Kemish poses this question:

"Is it acceptable for Australia to have a neighbour that is ungoverned?"

He said churches, charities and corporations, which all had strong links in the region already, could help Australia's neighbours through this time too.

For PNG, Mr Kemish believes the COVID-19 outbreak will be "a pivotal moment".

"This really is one of its most challenging moments since independence," he said.

However he said PNG had proven to be resilient.

"PNG has been judged by some to be on the verge of being a failed state almost constantly since independence, but rumours of its demise never really materialised."
___________________________________________________

This news is from the ABC, a national australian news outlet. Won't comment too much on their pessimism on Indonesia, but I hv to admit that there is truth to it. We were slow to act on corona, and while I believe that most of Indonesia will ride this through, Papua is in a really bad spot. We must hope that those two provinces, along with other East Indonesian provinces receive sufficient support from the rest of Indonesia.
Australia need to stop pretend that they are like some kind of atlantic country, they are not! literally neighbor next door and they says things so myopic and ignorant like we're half a world away. It's either that they are dumb, blind or just plain mean.
 
They will never give us an MRO. Us sending them back for maintenance is a heavy cash cow for them.

We really shouldn't be buying any Russian products at this point. There isn't much of a future for them. I'm willing to go as far as giving the Marines French made vehicles to replace the Russian ones (France isn't picky on embargos, and they have are quite known in doing the exact opposite of what the US and the rest of NATO wants to show off their sovereignty). Sorry to say but Russia is pretty much done for when it comes to military equipment. Even their Chinese equivalents are getting on par or surpassing their tech.
Marine have french equipmwnt the lg 105 mm and the vehicle is amx10 marine didint like it.
the FIR buzz was not more than a political stunt .
Gara2 ucapan jendral siapa kan pas mau terbang naik pesawat tiba2 Changi nanya mau kemana. Kalo ga salah gty. Di sini klo jendral "yg populer dan dicintai" ngomong A (penggemar) warga sipilnya juga ikut A
An NGO is one thing
They are making public opinion, like when much migrant in Papua take refugee they the NGO always make another news about OAP became refugee in another place or blaming that conflict ocucre naturally (sebab akibat) from the racist stament. Yeah some ngo or aktipis justify that is no prom
Back then when the SAKTI vest was first introduced to KOSTRAD and made public, one of the comments from my colleague in the service was "Percuma kalau di perkenalkan di setingkat ini, kalau di secaba nggak pernah di kenalin"
Pernah ada diskusi di kaskus (2015 maybe) knp tni ga pake vest, ya karena kebiasaan. Atau kalau mau ditelesusir jauh ya sejak jaman kuno kita ga pake baju zirah.

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I see pindad can make mortar in that pic also i see m1 stock
 
Marine have french equipmwnt the lg 105 mm and the vehicle is amx10 marine didint like it.

Speaking of which.


*Halls of Montezuma intensifies*


They are making public opinion, like when much migrant in Papua take refugee they the NGO always make another news about OAP became refugee in another place or blaming that conflict ocucre naturally (sebab akibat) from the racist stament. Yeah some ngo or aktipis justify that is no prom
And they are entitled to that opinion. To silence their voice is just going to make you look bad. It's better to just continue with economic development then try to fight a smear campaign with another smear campaign.
 
We are developing MAV in response to the requirements of the Turkish Naval Forces, which carried out one of the most important amphibious operations in the last 50 years with great success. We are confident that friendly and allied nations with high amphibious operational requirements, particularly island countries like Indonesia, will also look to take advantage of MAV’s superior characteristics; and we look forward to working with them in the future.”
https://www.fnss.com.tr/en/news/marine-assault-vehicle-mav-makes-first-appearance-at-idef19
Waiting for further development regarding this.

April almost ends btw. Jet, sub, frigate masih gaje.
 
We are developing MAV in response to the requirements of the Turkish Naval Forces, which carried out one of the most important amphibious operations in the last 50 years with great success. We are confident that friendly and allied nations with high amphibious operational requirements, particularly island countries like Indonesia, will also look to take advantage of MAV’s superior characteristics; and we look forward to working with them in the future.”
https://www.fnss.com.tr/en/news/marine-assault-vehicle-mav-makes-first-appearance-at-idef19
Waiting for further development regarding this.

April almost ends btw. Jet, sub, frigate masih gaje.

Funds slashing caused by miss of tax revenue target, budget diversion, origin country countrywide lock down (US, France, Netherlands, Germany, Danish, UK and so on) what else you can hope?
 
We are developing MAV in response to the requirements of the Turkish Naval Forces, which carried out one of the most important amphibious operations in the last 50 years with great success. We are confident that friendly and allied nations with high amphibious operational requirements, particularly island countries like Indonesia, will also look to take advantage of MAV’s superior characteristics; and we look forward to working with them in the future.”
https://www.fnss.com.tr/en/news/marine-assault-vehicle-mav-makes-first-appearance-at-idef19
Waiting for further development regarding this.

April almost ends btw. Jet, sub, frigate masih gaje.
alman already said not to put much hope this year since all budget now almost focused on the covid-19 relieve , seeing how rupiah got strengthen , we'd probably expecting a big contract signing in next year .
 
Coronavirus could see Papua New Guinea, Indonesia become failed states
By foreign affairs reporter Melissa Clarke

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This news is from the ABC, a national australian news outlet. Won't comment too much on their pessimism on Indonesia, but I hv to admit that there is truth to it. We were slow to act on corona, and while I believe that most of Indonesia will ride this through, Papua is in a really bad spot. We must hope that those two provinces, along with other East Indonesian provinces receive sufficient support from the rest of Indonesia.

Not sure about you guys, but am I the only one who see the headline title just doesn't make any sense? Thanks the devil I no longer read english language medias (albeit with some exception)

seeing how rupiah got strengthen

I'm not sure how many time I say this, but IDR neither went stronger or weaken against USD for the past few years including during this 1st Year of The Great Plague
 
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