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2021/2022when nasams 2 arrive?
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Is this some reason why our airforce don't focus on modernization on mef II? They're focusing on building and implementing NCW first especially on using DL16 after that, they can focus on modernization on mef III afterwards
2021/2022
Not only shiny new toys,its including everything,everything to build our airforce to become capable one if we only modernize shiny toy without modernizing its human resources and infrastructure,hardware&software,nothing different than saudiWhat is meaning with modernization? Only limited with shiny, brand new hardware? Or everything including the betterment of infrastructure, hardware, software, including human resources?
If what all of you here mean with modernization is just bought shiny new toys, i am starting to thinking to abandon this sites too, the same with kaskus....
old photos, happy sunday guys
I just remember video mi 35 flying low altitude and then... the tent destroyed
Btw, anyone have know lipnur kumbang right? Can we developed it more from this old platform for coin? Change engine avionic with modern one... are it is possible to do?
Much better to reverse engineering or designing basic trainer first, we got massive needs of them. There is a lot of flight school in Indonesia who need new basic trainer at interval phase of 8-15 years. Police, TNI AU, AL, and AD itself need more basic trainer aircraft. The market is there, we just doesnt know how to build proper foundation to build our aircraft industry.
This case is happened before
Penerbangan ini disaksikan oleh pimpinan dan karyawan LIPNUR, pejabat TNI-AU, pejabat dari Dinas Kelaikan Udara, dan tamu dari ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization). Tanggal 9 November inilah yang akhirnya ditetapkan secara resmi sebagai tanggal penerbangan perdana (first flight) LT-200.
Ada empat prototipe yang dibuat selama periode tahun 1974-1976 dan masing-masing diberikan registrasi IN-201 s/d IN-204. LIPNUR dan PT. Chandra Dirgantara terus melaksanakan modifikasi dan perbaikan dari pesawat swayasa (amateur build aircraft) menjadi pesawat latih mula (primary/basic trainner) yang memenuhi persyaratan sesuai dengan kebutuhan TNI-AU dan LPPU.
Terbang perdana tidak resmi prototipe pertama LT-200 pada tanggal 8 November 1974 pada sore hari. Penerbangan ini diulangi pada esok hari pukul 11.00 dan menjadi tanggal resmi penerbangan perdananya.
Sayangnya swadaya pesawat latih ini justru kandas ketika LIPNUR digabung dengan Advanced Technology Pertamina menjadi Industri Pesawat Terbang Nurtanio (PT. Nurtanio). Pada tahun 1978, Direktur PT. Nurtanio, BJ. Habibie memutuskan untuk menghentikan proyek LT-200 dan fokus pada proyek produksi lisensi pesawat komuter CASA NC-212 dan helikopter Bolkow BO-105 pesanan Pertamina (Perusahaan Pertambangan Minyak dan Gas Bumi Negara).
Karena tidak didukung oleh industri dalam negeri, akibatnya TNI-AU dan LPPU memilih untuk mengimpor pesawat latih mula dari luar negeri. TNI-AU membeli AS202 Bravo buatan Flug- und Fahrzeugwerke Altenrhein asal Swiss sedangkan LPPU membeli Piper Cherokee dan Beech Musketeer.
Rencana ke depan untuk LT-200, dikembangkan terus dari swayasa menjadi latih mula. Prototipe keempat merupakan model pra produksi.
Saat ini, dari empat protipe LT-200, hanya satu yang bisa diselamatkan yaitu prototipe kedua (IN-202) dengan warna dan cat Aeroclub Nurtanio dan menjadi koleksi Museum Dirgantara Mandala di Yogyakarta sejak tahun 1987. Prototipe pertama terus diterbangkan untuk pengujian dan sertifikasi tapi sayangnya tidak diketahui nasibnya.
Prototipe ketiga dan keempat diserahkan kepada LPPU pada tahun 1977 untuk dievaluasi dan telah diberi registrasi sipil masing-masing PK-ALD dan PK-ALE. Dikabarkan PK-ALD mengalami kecelakaan pada tahun 1985 dan PK-ALE disebut-sebut masih disimpan dengan baik untuk studi sistem pesawat terbang.
IN-201, prototipe pertama LT-200 berkunjung ke LPPU Curug, Tangerang. Setelah itu LIPNUR memberikan dua unit LT-200 kepada LPPU untuk dievaluasi.
Sama seperti Belalang, nasib LT-200 memang pahit, padahal bayangkan bila Indonesia bisa mandiri untuk memenuhi pesawat latih mula, lebih hemat, dan uang yang dikeluarkan pastinya kembali masuk ke kantong sendiri. Dengan teknologi sederhana yang dimiliki, baik Belalang maupun LT-200 merupakan perwujudan nyata dari cita-cita dan idealisme Nurtanio, yaitu agar dunia penerbangan yang dinilai mahal dan rumit menjadi lebih dekat kepada masyarakat umum khususnya kepada generasi muda.
Kalau ada pendapat, kebutuhan pesawat latih di Indonesia sedikit, tentunya harus diperhatikan potensi ada berapa sekolah pilot yang ada di Indonesia saat ini yang rata-rata minimal membutuhkan empat sampai enam pesawat latih. Biaya pendidikan pilot juga bisa ditekan karena harganya yang lebih murah daripada harus impor dan tentu saja murah dari sisi operasionalnya.
TNI-AU sebagai institusi pendidikan pilot militer, setidaknya membutuhkan satu skadron (12 unit) pesawat latih mula. Ditambah lagi kebutuhan dari perorangan, klub terbang (aeroclub), atau instansi lainnya baik pemerintah maupun swasta. Efeknya bertambah, ada pula untuk kepentingan edukasi. Belalang atau LT-200 dapat menjadi sarana praktik sekolah kejuruan dan kampus. Bukan tidak mungkin dirakit dan diproduksi oleh siswa SMK (Sekolah Menengah Kejuruan), mahasiswa teknik, dan bengkel sekelas industri rumahan (home industry).
LT-200 (IN-202) dengan warna dan cat Aeroclub Nurtanio yang disimpan dan menjadi koleksi Museum TNI-AU Dirgantara Mandala di Yogyakarta.
LT-200 ada contoh nyata seperti yang disebut Suharto seperti “membajak teknologi” : beli gambar, dibuat, lalu dikembangkan atau desain ulang menjadi pesawat yang sesuai dengan kebutuhan yang diinginkan. Hal yang sama dilakukan Nurtanio dalam pembuatan Belalang, dengan membajak desain Piper Cub. Bajak-membajak seperti ini adalah hal yang lumrah, negara-negara dengan industri kedirgantaraan yang maju seperti Tiongkok dan Korea Selatan juga melakukan hal yang sama.
https://aviahistoria.com/2017/08/01/swadaya-pesawat-latih-yang-gagal-lt-200-skytrainer/2/
We do have many ambitious project tempo lalu unfortunately many of em got canceledSad to read that. ....
The technology that we can developed more but end....
Are optics that expensive tho? i don't see any excuse of them not being interested in producing or equipping the soldiers with optics. Lol i've even seen Brimob squad being fully equipped with DMR guy etc..We do have many ambitious project tempo lalu unfortunately many of em got canceled
Also,what makes our navy chose millenium gun over phalanx,goalkeeper or seaRAM?
I still dont understand if pindad really want to fullfill their user requirements why don't focused with firearms first then armored vehicle?
We're still lacks on firearms+optics especially in AT rockets getting rpg 7 or AT-4 license is great and please complete the SS3 project already.
Thats why i prefer pindad to focus on armored vehicle&ammunition and let other producer like komodo armament to do the firearms job.
It looked so bad with only 2 optics and 1 grenadier on 1 divisionView attachment 583735
Likely why navy purcahse milenium because it has caliber 35 mm compatible with other weapon already have oerlikon gdf 35 mm. Also it has AHEAD munitionWe do have many ambitious project tempo lalu unfortunately many of em got canceled
Also,what makes our navy chose millenium gun over phalanx,goalkeeper or seaRAM?
I still dont understand if pindad really want to fullfill their user requirements why don't focused with firearms first then armored vehicle?
We're still lacks on firearms+optics especially in AT rockets getting rpg 7 or AT-4 license is great and please complete the SS3 project already.
Thats why i prefer pindad to focus on armored vehicle&ammunition and let other producer like komodo armament to do the firearms job.
It looked so bad with only 2 optics and 1 grenadier on 1 divisionView attachment 583735
Yeah polri,brimob in this case always freely costumizing their own weapon lookup at their costumized SS1 with handgrip,and M4 adapterAre optics that expensive tho? i don't see any excuse of them not being interested in producing or equipping the soldiers with optics. Lol i've even seen Brimob squad being fully equipped with DMR guy etc..
There's no industry even private owned one succesful making optical sights,pindad once create optical sight but the design is really2 awful to useWhy not in regu we make composiition that have rpg 7 or maybe m72 law or m80 zolja? (This item is cheap and readily availabel everywhre in the world ) Add 2 more personnel to carry minimi. And 2 carry rifle gl.
Yes lack fire power. I still curious are there any local made optical sight or local optic industried that can make telescope etc?
Why just not pindad design weapon, any private industry produced the weapon and parts?
We do have many ambitious project tempo lalu unfortunately many of em got canceled
Also,what makes our navy chose millenium gun over phalanx,goalkeeper or seaRAM?
I still dont understand if pindad really want to fullfill their user requirements why don't focused with firearms first then armored vehicle?
We're still lacks on firearms+optics especially in AT rockets getting rpg 7 or AT-4 license is great and please complete the SS3 project already.
Thats why i prefer pindad to focus on armored vehicle&ammunition and let other producer like komodo armament to do the firearms job.
It looked so bad with only 2 optics and 1 grenadier on 1 divisionView attachment 583735
Likely why navy purcahse milenium because it has caliber 35 mm compatible with other weapon already have oerlikon gdf 35 mm. Also it has AHEAD munition
Coincidently, yesterday i read previous page about composition that rifle team
Why not in regu we make composiition that have rpg 7 or maybe m72 law or m80 zolja? (This item is cheap and readily availabel everywhre in the world ) Add 2 more personnel to carry minimi. And 2 carry rifle gl.
Yes lack fire power. I still curious are there any local made optical sight or local optic industried that can make telescope etc?
Why just not pindad design weapon, any private industry produced the weapon and parts?
Yeah polri,brimob in this case always freely costumizing their own weapon lookup at their costumized SS1 with handgrip,and M4 adapter
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Sorry for the blurry photos,i can't find the clear one
There's no industry even private owned one succesful making optical sights,pindad once create optical sight but the design is really2 awful to use
Yeah you know sistem "monopoli perdagangan" right? No way pindad want to give their firearms market to other producer
That's what I'm ranting about, pindad is too focused by armored vehicle division yet they didn't focused the antitode of it. Getting license of RPG-7 or M72 is good enough for pindad, not too expensive and the quality is fair enough to be considered
Are optics that expensive tho? i don't see any excuse of them not being interested in producing or equipping the soldiers with optics. Lol i've even seen Brimob squad being fully equipped with DMR guy etc..