Indonesia Defence Forum

[Raduga]

kopaska coming out from the torpedo tube

somebody really need to clean that barnacles for sure

 

[Cromwell]

Future bilateral cooperation and Netherlands position regarding Papua issues both are important but I think the dutch will be more careful with the second.


What happened, what did I miss?

Well a couple months ago my colleague took picture of interesting discussion with Damen representatives and the visit to Divisi Kapal Perang. Reading what they fiercely promote quite reasonable but then the scope of works must get increase from previous total value but then if the planned 720 Millions USD goes to PKR, you all can guess fishy works happen again. There are factions which endorse PKR continuation and those opt for new and bigger design, interesting development.
Meanwhile;
Original idea about Hawk 109/209 it was proposed IPTN would get co-production scheme valued 35% offset and planned to acquire up to 69 units for 6 squadrons

 

[Raduga]

Well a couple months ago my colleague took picture of interesting discussion with Damen representatives and the visit to Divisi Kapal Perang. Reading what they fiercely promote quite reasonable but then the scope of works must get increase from previous total value. There are factions which endorse PKR continuation and those opt for new and bigger design, interesting development.
Meanwhile;
Original idea about Hawk 109/209 it was proposed IPTN would get co-production scheme valued 35% offset and planned to acquire up to 69 units for 6 squadrons
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why the plan stopped ? asian financial crisis ?

 

[Cromwell]

why the plan stopped ? asian financial crisis ?

IMF suggestion to cut off strategic programme in order to rescue our economy backthen.

 

[Kansel]

IMF suggestion to cut off strategic programme in order to rescue our economy backthen.

Ah yes,including N250 project

 

[Gundala]

Original idea about Hawk 109/209 it was proposed IPTN would get co-production scheme valued 35% offset and planned to acquire up to 69 units for 6 squadrons

My memory is kinda fuzzy about this Hawk thing back then. Tho I remember clearly it was suppouse to be era "tinggal landas" for the aviation industry and AU. The additional F16 purchased plan was there and Sukohi as well. It was a huge news locally and around asean, simply because the huge numbers ordered. The overall plan was to launch N250 (turboprop) followed by N2130 (Jet), and with those offset it would create cash flow stream/experience to IPTN (PT.DI) as well for further development and partnership with other aviation industry.

Our former Habibie has a plan to mass product the N250 then work on trying to manufacture/assembly our own turboprop engine (PT. Nusantara Turbin dan Propulsi/UMC). His approach was Top down instead of down to top referring about building local aviation industry. The idea was if we can produce N250 in large quantities then we can create local supplier/industry as it will meet its economic scale. He was trying to build a solid fondation of aviation industry so it might smoothen the step to creating our own fighter in a future (with local industry ready to support it). But 2 decades later we are starting all over again

 

[Kansel]

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If army keep looking forward for M777 and in the end deciding on it,its a great decision to standartize into 155 MM and we're getting chinook later tho,also hoping for a bulk order on this one,still getting vibes by Napoleon Bonaparte quotes "God is on the side with best altillery"

Thanks for the photo sis @Nike

My memory is kinda fuzzy about this Hawk thing back then. Tho I remember clearly it was suppouse to be era "tinggal landas" for the aviation industry and AU. The additional F16 purchased plan was there and Sukohi as well. It was a huge news locally and around asean, simply because the huge numbers ordered. The overall plan was to launch N250 (turboprop) followed by N2130 (Jet), and with those offset it would create cash flow stream/experience to IPTN (PT.DI) as well for further development and partnership with other aviation industry.

Our former Habibie has a plan to mass product the N250 then work on trying to manufacture/assembly our own turboprop engine (PT. Nusantara Turbin dan Propulsi/UMC). His approach was Top down instead of down to top referring about building local aviation industry. The idea was if we can produce N250 in large quantities then we can create local supplier/industry as it will meet its economic scale. He was trying to build a solid fondation of aviation industry so it might smoothen the step to creating our own fighter in a future (with local industry ready to support it). But 2 decades later we are starting all over again

Feels bad for Mr. Habibie tho every good decision/plan he make mostly got canceled because "political shit" things ex:K21,N250,N2130

 

[Gundala]

Well, it's newly published. There's no way they don't understand that news should cover the latest information, right?

*teringat berita hoax dan situs berita abal-abal yang bertebaran*

Oops. Who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

No biggie, with the govenrment in transition phase its expected. Supported by Statement from Opposition party, and afaik the negotiation is still in progress which is set to be done this 2019. Paling cuman gorengan pihak partai oposisi mereka disana, apalagi ada pernyataan kekhawatiran kebocoran teknologi juga. Takut kita intip kayaknya

 

[Nike]

Well a couple months ago my colleague took picture of interesting discussion with Damen representatives and the visit to Divisi Kapal Perang. Reading what they fiercely promote quite reasonable but then the scope of works must get increase from previous total value but then if the planned 720 Millions USD goes to PKR, you all can guess fishy works happen again. There are factions which endorse PKR continuation and those opt for new and bigger design, interesting development.
Meanwhile;
Original idea about Hawk 109/209 it was proposed IPTN would get co-production scheme valued 35% offset and planned to acquire up to 69 units for 6 squadrons
View attachment 582920

Around 69 Hawk and 64 F 16 OCU is our initial goals. After Arms embargoe ABRI looking to procure at least 32 Flanker for initial order.

For the Army i am remember they got offer for Leopard 1 plus wiesel as recon unit, looking for Scud missiles excess from Russia and looking for French APC

ASEAN finance crisis hit us very hard, not to mention corrupt practices among higher officers severely impacted our defense capability

 

[striver44]

Should TNI AU find another alternative??

How Did a 30-Year-Old Jet Dodge the Pentagon's Latest Missile?


The AIM-9X Sidewinder failed to bring down an aging attack jet.

By Kyle Mizokami
Jun 26, 2017

ANADOLU AGENCY.GETTY IMAGES
By now you've probably heard that a U.S. fighter shot down a Syrian jet about a week ago. What you might not know is that before the F/A-18E hit its target, it missed–and it missed with the best, newest U.S. missile.

On June 18, just moments after a Syrian Arab Air Force Su-22 attacked Coalition forces, a U.S. Navy F/A-18E Super Hornet strike fighter rolled into a firing position and opened fire. The Super Hornet locked onto the Su-22 "Fitter" and launched the Military's most advanced short-range air-to-air missile, which promptly missed. While the plane was eventually brought down by another, different missile, the question remains: why did the AIM-9X Sidewinder miss?

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The Sukhoi Su-22 is a Cold War-era attack jet designed to strike targets on the ground. A single-seat aircraft, like many aircraft designed in the 1970s it had "swing wings." Cutting edge for its time, this feature allowed the plane to maximize its combat range. Known as "Fitter" to NATO, the Su-22 was designed solely as an air-to-ground aircraft with little to no air-to-air capability. It was produced in large numbers and widely sold abroad. The design is obsolete, and while many air forces still fly the Fitter, it isn't by choice. Here's a video of Su-22 Fitters in Polish Air Force service:





The Super Hornet, meanwhile, is the U.S. Navy's top-of-the-line strike fighter. The Super Hornet is armed with both the infrared guided AIM-9X Sidewinder short range air-to-air missile and the radar-guided AIM-120 AMRAAM medium-range missile. It's a potent combination of air-to-air missiles, representing the best of American military technology.

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According to CNN, the Navy Super Hornet locked onto the Su-22 Fitter at a range of 1.5 miles. The Super Hornet launched an AIM-9X, and the Syrian pilot loosed flares to lure the infrared guided missile away from his fighter. The trick worked, and the American missile missed. The Super Hornet then launched an AMRAAM missile which, using radar guidance, is unaffected by flares. This time the Fitter went down.

So why did the AIM-9X miss? A contributor to Combat Aircraft magazine proposed a plausible theory: While the 9X is designed to resist the allure of defensive flares, but it may have been too specialized in rejecting American flares. Contributor Angad Singh tweeted a story originally written by aviation authority Bill Sweetman about American tests of Soviet aircraft during the Cold War.

Syrian Arab Air Force Su-22 Fitter.
AMIR ALMOHIBANY.GETTY IMAGES


During the 1980s, U.S. Air Force maintained the top secret 4477th Test & Evaluation Squadron. Flying the Tonopah Test Range in Nevada, the 4477th operated Soviet fighters collected from around the world, often captured by allies, to determine their capabilities. According to the story, the Air Force received a flare dispenser that had been on a Su-25 ground attack jet shot down over Afghanistan. The dispenser was quickly attached to a MiG-21 operated by the 4477th and taken out for testing against the latest American infra-red guided missile, the AIM-9P.

What happened next surprised the Air Force. The AIM-9P Sidewinder, designed to see past flares, was readily diverted by the Soviet flares. The problem was that the -9P was too attuned to the characteristics of American flares it had been tested against and not against the Soviet flares, which according to the squadron commander between 1985 and 1987 were "dirty, and none of them looked the same."

Sailors on the USS George Bush attach an AIM-9X Sidewinder to the wingtip of a Super Hornet strike fighter, February 2011.
U.S. NAVY PHOTO BY PETTY OFFICER 3RD CLASS CHRISTOPHER K. HWANG.


Did something like this happen in the skies over Syria? The AIM-9X, a relatively new missile, should have easily taken down the aging Su-22 Fitter. A lot of air forces, particularly America's NATO allies, rely on the AIM-9X as their short-range missile. The news that it was unable to shoot down a 30-year-old fighter jet will be disturbing to many.

 

[Chestnut]

Should TNI AU find another alternative??

How Did a 30-Year-Old Jet Dodge the Pentagon's Latest Missile?


The AIM-9X Sidewinder failed to bring down an aging attack jet.

By Kyle Mizokami
Jun 26, 2017

ANADOLU AGENCY.GETTY IMAGES
By now you've probably heard that a U.S. fighter shot down a Syrian jet about a week ago. What you might not know is that before the F/A-18E hit its target, it missed–and it missed with the best, newest U.S. missile.

On June 18, just moments after a Syrian Arab Air Force Su-22 attacked Coalition forces, a U.S. Navy F/A-18E Super Hornet strike fighter rolled into a firing position and opened fire. The Super Hornet locked onto the Su-22 "Fitter" and launched the Military's most advanced short-range air-to-air missile, which promptly missed. While the plane was eventually brought down by another, different missile, the question remains: why did the AIM-9X Sidewinder miss?

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The Sukhoi Su-22 is a Cold War-era attack jet designed to strike targets on the ground. A single-seat aircraft, like many aircraft designed in the 1970s it had "swing wings." Cutting edge for its time, this feature allowed the plane to maximize its combat range. Known as "Fitter" to NATO, the Su-22 was designed solely as an air-to-ground aircraft with little to no air-to-air capability. It was produced in large numbers and widely sold abroad. The design is obsolete, and while many air forces still fly the Fitter, it isn't by choice. Here's a video of Su-22 Fitters in Polish Air Force service:





The Super Hornet, meanwhile, is the U.S. Navy's top-of-the-line strike fighter. The Super Hornet is armed with both the infrared guided AIM-9X Sidewinder short range air-to-air missile and the radar-guided AIM-120 AMRAAM medium-range missile. It's a potent combination of air-to-air missiles, representing the best of American military technology.

ADVERTISEMENT - CONTINUE READING BELOW
According to CNN, the Navy Super Hornet locked onto the Su-22 Fitter at a range of 1.5 miles. The Super Hornet launched an AIM-9X, and the Syrian pilot loosed flares to lure the infrared guided missile away from his fighter. The trick worked, and the American missile missed. The Super Hornet then launched an AMRAAM missile which, using radar guidance, is unaffected by flares. This time the Fitter went down.

So why did the AIM-9X miss? A contributor to Combat Aircraft magazine proposed a plausible theory: While the 9X is designed to resist the allure of defensive flares, but it may have been too specialized in rejecting American flares. Contributor Angad Singh tweeted a story originally written by aviation authority Bill Sweetman about American tests of Soviet aircraft during the Cold War.

Syrian Arab Air Force Su-22 Fitter.
AMIR ALMOHIBANY.GETTY IMAGES


During the 1980s, U.S. Air Force maintained the top secret 4477th Test & Evaluation Squadron. Flying the Tonopah Test Range in Nevada, the 4477th operated Soviet fighters collected from around the world, often captured by allies, to determine their capabilities. According to the story, the Air Force received a flare dispenser that had been on a Su-25 ground attack jet shot down over Afghanistan. The dispenser was quickly attached to a MiG-21 operated by the 4477th and taken out for testing against the latest American infra-red guided missile, the AIM-9P.

What happened next surprised the Air Force. The AIM-9P Sidewinder, designed to see past flares, was readily diverted by the Soviet flares. The problem was that the -9P was too attuned to the characteristics of American flares it had been tested against and not against the Soviet flares, which according to the squadron commander between 1985 and 1987 were "dirty, and none of them looked the same."

Sailors on the USS George Bush attach an AIM-9X Sidewinder to the wingtip of a Super Hornet strike fighter, February 2011.
U.S. NAVY PHOTO BY PETTY OFFICER 3RD CLASS CHRISTOPHER K. HWANG.


Did something like this happen in the skies over Syria? The AIM-9X, a relatively new missile, should have easily taken down the aging Su-22 Fitter. A lot of air forces, particularly America's NATO allies, rely on the AIM-9X as their short-range missile. The news that it was unable to shoot down a 30-year-old fighter jet will be disturbing to many.

If they're that worried then go for the ASRAAM...

 

[Kansel]

https://lancerdefense.com/2019/10/0...s-angkatan-darat-filipina-sedang-berlangsung/
Phils also accelerating their military in missile sector i hope we followed phils too,purchasing truck launched cruise missile like brahmos or hyunmoo for army's

 

[trishna_amṛta]

Aren't fins (sail) in submarines act as a stabilizer?

They are for controlling rotation along the transverse axis (pitch) and serve similar function to airplane elevator

Mungkin kita butuh trit baru buat ngebahas masalah domestik, bisa untuk membahas seperti perpolitikan dan keamanan yang dari pada OOT di trit ini lebih baik dipindah aja biar yang disini fokus militer, bisa buat bahas kayak kemarin masalah papua ato juga pemilu bisa juga diskusi kebijakan pemerintah, diskusi masalah ribut ato konflik internal ato bencana atau cuman buat ngobrol santai member indo, dan yang pasti bahasa inggris ngga harus, biar yang lain bisa lebih ikut menyuarakan suaranya lebih bebas.
:v just my receh.

Kebetulan saya juga punya pikiran begitu

That guy was annoying as ****, for no apparent reason he started attacking my statements, pretending to be polite or some shit like that, edgy kid.

Who? Which guy?

 

[Kansel]

INDONESIA
SATGAS PORT VISIT 2019 MULAI MELAKSANAKAN TUGAS
8 OKTOBER 2019 DIANEKO_LC TINGGALKAN KOMENTAR
Satuan Tugas Port Visit 2019 yang melibatkan dua kapal perang KRI John Lie-358 dari Koarmada I dan KRI Frans Kaisiepo-368 dari Koarmada II bertolak menuju Phillipina untuk melaksanakan misi diplomasi.

Selain Phillipina, Brunei Darussalam juga menjadi negara tujuan dari Satgas Port Visit 2019.

Dilansir dari laman web Koarmada II (08/ 10/ 2019), Komandan Gugus Tempur Laut (Danguspurla) Koarmada II Lasma TNI Rahmad Eko Raharjo, M.Tr (Han)., CHRMP., On Board di KRI Frans Kaisiepo-368 yang dikomandani oleh Letkol Laut (P) I Gede Putu Iwan.

Danguspurla Koarmada II selaku Senior Officer menerangkan bahwa tujuan dari operasi ini adalah menjalin hubungan diplomatik dengan negara-negara yang dikunjungi serta mendukung promosi kebudayaan dan pariwisata Indonesia.

“Adapun sasaran yang ingin kita capai melalui Port Visit ini yakni terciptanya upaya penangkalan terhadap kemungkinan terjadinya tindak kejahatan di laut, terutama di wilayah yang berbatasan dengan negara lain di kawasan Asean. Serta terbukanya wawasan prajurit matra laut terhadap perkembangan negara-negara tetangga khususnya Angkatan Laut , dan juga kebudayaan serta pariwisata Indonesia semakin dikenal oleh negara-negara yang dikunjungi,” pungkas Laksamana dengan satu bintang di pundak ini.

Keberangkatan satuan tugas yang melibatkan sekitar 259 personel TNI Angkatan Laut, dilepas oleh Komandan Satuan Kapal Eskorta (Dan Satkor) Koarmada II Kolonel Laut (P) Agam Endrasmoro mewakili Panglima Komando Armada II Laksda TNI Mintoro Yulianto, S.Sos., M.Si. di Dermaga Madura Markas Komando Armada II, pada Senin (07/10/2019).

Photo: KRI John Lie – 358 (Istimewa)

Editor: (D.E.S)

 

[bad sector]

Double Post... Sorry