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[Var Dracon]

Apache armament and reloading

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[Nike]

Just as self reminder for us regarding future local made Fighters. Unless our economy as large as China and US then making our own fighters would not be visible in a long run. Multi national co-operation is needed, just like KFX/IFX but with larger share portion and more countries involve to meet its economic scale production cost. This is what has been missing when we decided to join KFX/IFX program. With only 200+ KFX/IFX planned to produce it will jack the price sky high thus risking the Fighters not be able to compete globaly. Now I am not against it, as it is already in motion but precautious step is needed for us to prevent this kind of thing happening to our future IFX.

An Indian facility that makes Su-30MKI jets may shut down, toppling 400 local suppliers

NEW DELHI — An Indian facility that manufactures Sukhoi Su-30MKI fighters may close in March 2020, leading to a domino effect that could see 400 local suppliers shut their shops over a lack of component orders, according to company officials and industry analysts.

A senior executive of India’s state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited said the company, which owns the facility, will complete the production of the remaining eight Su-30MKI fighters on order by March. Then the production facility at Nasik, central India, could shut down if no new orders are placed, the executive warned.

An executive with the industry lobby group Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce & Industry, said 400 local suppliers that build about 6,000 components worth $12.5 million for each Su-30MKI fighter may also shut down if no new orders are placed with HAL.

HAL produces about 12 Su-30MKI multirole fighters each year. The company is expected to complete the delivery of 272 Su-30MKI fighters by March 2020.

Each Su-30MKI is built by HAL for $70.3 million under license by Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation.

Another HAL executive said a formal request has been sent to the Indian Air Force and the Ministry for Defence that they place an additional order for 72 locally made Su-30MKI fighters for about $5 billion, but the government has not yet made a decision.

A senior Air Force official said the service could only order 18 fighters as a response to the number of Su-30MKI jets lost in accidents over the last two decades.

The Air Force is not eager to place large orders of these fighters because of the cost of locally made Su-30MKI jets.

“Each HAL-built Su-30MKI fighter costs around $70.3 million, where as a Russia-supplied fighter costs around $42.15 million,” the senior Air Force official said.

A senior MoD official said that Russia last month tried to pressure the Indian government to order an additional 72 Su-30MKI fighters with HAL, but the Indian Air Force is reluctant to place new orders in such a large number.

“The HAL built Su-30MKI fighter is not fully indigenized, only 51 percent is homemade, where the remaining 49 percent of supplies still comes from Russia,” said Bhim Sigh, a retired wing commander with the Indian Air Force.

Singh noted that most of the raw materials are sourced from Russia, including titanium blocks, forgings, aluminium and steel plates, as well as low-tech items such as nuts, bolts and screws.

HAL continues to depend on Russia as the original equipment manufacturer for components, raw material, servicing and overhaul of the fighters.

https://www.defensenews.com/industr...s-may-shut-down-toppling-400-local-suppliers/

Not necessary must as large as US and China, just look at Sweden they can made Gripen and before that they got several type of fighter. Taiwan got Ching kuo, Israel got Kfir, in the past we got country like Yugoslavia, Rumania, and Italia got their own designed fighter. Its all about tenacity and willingness

 

[UMNOPutra]

Just as self reminder for us regarding future local made Fighters. Unless our economy as large as China and US then making our own fighters would not be visible in a long run. Multi national co-operation is needed, just like KFX/IFX but with larger share portion and more countries involve to meet its economic scale production cost. This is what has been missing when we decided to join KFX/IFX program. With only 200+ KFX/IFX planned to produce it will jack the price sky high thus risking the Fighters not be able to compete globaly. Now I am not against it, as it is already in motion but precautious step is needed for us to prevent this kind of thing happening to our future IFX.

An Indian facility that makes Su-30MKI jets may shut down, toppling 400 local suppliers

NEW DELHI — An Indian facility that manufactures Sukhoi Su-30MKI fighters may close in March 2020, leading to a domino effect that could see 400 local suppliers shut their shops over a lack of component orders, according to company officials and industry analysts.

A senior executive of India’s state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited said the company, which owns the facility, will complete the production of the remaining eight Su-30MKI fighters on order by March. Then the production facility at Nasik, central India, could shut down if no new orders are placed, the executive warned.

An executive with the industry lobby group Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce & Industry, said 400 local suppliers that build about 6,000 components worth $12.5 million for each Su-30MKI fighter may also shut down if no new orders are placed with HAL.

HAL produces about 12 Su-30MKI multirole fighters each year. The company is expected to complete the delivery of 272 Su-30MKI fighters by March 2020.

Each Su-30MKI is built by HAL for $70.3 million under license by Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation.

Another HAL executive said a formal request has been sent to the Indian Air Force and the Ministry for Defence that they place an additional order for 72 locally made Su-30MKI fighters for about $5 billion, but the government has not yet made a decision.

A senior Air Force official said the service could only order 18 fighters as a response to the number of Su-30MKI jets lost in accidents over the last two decades.

The Air Force is not eager to place large orders of these fighters because of the cost of locally made Su-30MKI jets.

“Each HAL-built Su-30MKI fighter costs around $70.3 million, where as a Russia-supplied fighter costs around $42.15 million,” the senior Air Force official said.

A senior MoD official said that Russia last month tried to pressure the Indian government to order an additional 72 Su-30MKI fighters with HAL, but the Indian Air Force is reluctant to place new orders in such a large number.

“The HAL built Su-30MKI fighter is not fully indigenized, only 51 percent is homemade, where the remaining 49 percent of supplies still comes from Russia,” said Bhim Sigh, a retired wing commander with the Indian Air Force.

Singh noted that most of the raw materials are sourced from Russia, including titanium blocks, forgings, aluminium and steel plates, as well as low-tech items such as nuts, bolts and screws.

HAL continues to depend on Russia as the original equipment manufacturer for components, raw material, servicing and overhaul of the fighters.

https://www.defensenews.com/industr...s-may-shut-down-toppling-400-local-suppliers/

In Malays, we called it "Layu sebelum berkembang".... I hope that your IFX project will run smoothly ....

 

[Soman45]

Apache armament and reloading

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I just notice it that the rocket already use APKWS.....it's nice to see APKWS in our Apache's arsenal

 

[Raduga]

https://www.tnial.mil.id/tabid/79/a...7SXRqZbPA0fkYCxYvwj4le_3aNQwUnCsisVMtmt3xuowc

LIMA KRI PENGAWAL SAMUDERA PURNA TUGAS

Dinamika perubahan lingkungan strategis yang semakin kompleks dan berubah begitu cepat, telah menuntut TNI dan TNI Angkatan Laut untuk menyusun suatu program pembangunan kekuatan yang Tangguh dalam system pertahanan negara. Pembangunan kekuatan pertahanan negara ini tidak hanya melalui penambahan alutsista saja, namun juga melaksanakan peremajaan dan penghapusan bagi alutsista yang telah memasuki tahapan akhir dari masa daur hidupnya (Life Cycle).

Hal tersebut disampaikan Kepala Staf Angkatan Laut Laksamana TNI Siwi Sukma Adji, S.E., M.M.,dalam amanat tertulisnya yang dibacakan oleh Panglima Komando Armada II (Pangkoarmada II) Laksda TNI Mintoro Yulianto, S.Sos, M.Si., selaku Irup Penurunan Ular-ular Perang KRI Koarmada II, bertempat di Dermaga Madura Markas Komando Armada II. Jum’at (16/08/2019).

Lima kapal perang di jajaran Koarmada II yang telah memasuki tahap akhir dari masa tugasnya antara lain KRI Slamet Riyadi- 352, KRI Ki Hajar Dewantara- 364, KRI Teluk Penyu -513, KRI Nusa Utara -584 dan KRI Sambu- 902.

CREDIT : Lembaga keris & tni.mil

@Cromwell

any info regarding this ? what about their successor / replacement ?

 

[Whizzack]

https://www.tnial.mil.id/tabid/79/a...7SXRqZbPA0fkYCxYvwj4le_3aNQwUnCsisVMtmt3xuowc

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LIMA KRI PENGAWAL SAMUDERA PURNA TUGAS

Lima kapal perang di jajaran Koarmada II yang telah memasuki tahap akhir dari masa tugasnya antara lain KRI Slamet Riyadi- 352, KRI Ki Hajar Dewantara- 364, KRI Teluk Penyu -513, KRI Nusa Utara -584 dan KRI Sambu- 902.


@Cromwell

any info regarding this ? what about their successor / replacement ?

Any chance the Van Speijk class Frigates be transferred to Bakamla instead...? Or is the Ship's condition already too poor...? If still possible it would be a good addition for Bakamla I think, ideal to patrol the SCS / North Natuna sea area.. a big ship with helipad and hangar, military grade radar (albeit an old one), and a sturdy hull good for bumping contest between CG ships in the area . Just need to paint it white, add some water cannons, and remove the missile launchers (if any).. Maybe also replace the 76mm with something smaller (though I prefer to keep it as is)..

 

[Raduga]

Any chance the Van Speijk class Frigates be transferred to Bakamla instead...? Or is the Ship's condition already too poor...? If still possible it would be a good addition for Bakamla I think, ideal to patrol the SCS / North Natuna sea area.. a big ship with helipad and hangar, military grade radar (albeit an old one), and a sturdy hull good for bumping contest between CG ships in the area . Just need to paint it white, add some water cannons, and remove the missile launchers (if any).. Maybe also replace the 76mm with something smaller (though I prefer to keep it as is)..

nah i belive the 76mm can be used for bakamla , that's good option , but not the ship , kesian udah waktu nya istirahat

 

[Whizzack]

nah i belive the 76mm can be used for bakamla , that's good option , but not the ship , kesian udah waktu nya istirahat

Well.. no longer fit for navy service is true, but perhaps still OK for less demanding CG patrol duties.. That of course depends on the condition of the ship now.. If the hull and/or engine is already too worn out and the maintenance / operating cost becomes too high then better scrap it... But if the ship's condition and operating cost are still reasonable, then transferring it to Bakamla might be a good option, afterall Bakamla still lacks big patrol ships anyway... and in a bumping contest, it would probably be better to bump using an old ship rather than a new sparkling ship ...

As for the 76mm, it's likely the navy would have plans for it... So even if KRI SRI is given to Bakamla, almost zero chance they will give the 76mm with it..

 

[mandala]

Significant budget increase in 2020 for the Indonesian Defense Ministry Rp 127 Trillion from the previous Rp 108 Trillion in 2019.

Dalam kesempatan itu, Sri Mulyani membeberkan 10 kementerian/lembaga yang memperoleh alokasi anggaran paling besar.

Berikut adalah datanya:

1. Kementerian Pertahanan: Rp 127,4 triliun

2. Kementerian Pekerjaan Umum dan Perumahan Rakyat: Rp 120,2 triliun

3. Kepolisian Republik Indonesia: Rp 90,3 triliun

4. Kementerian Perdagangan: Rp 65,1 triliun

5. Kementerian Sosial: Rp 62,8 triliun

6. Kementerian Kesehatan: Rp 57,4 triliun

7. Kementerian Perhubungan: Rp 42,7 triliun

8. Kementerian Riset Teknologi dan Pendidikan Tinggi: Rp 42,2 triliun

9. Kementerian Keuangan: Rp 37,2 triliun

10. Kementerian Pendidikan dan Kebudayaan: Rp 35,7 triliun

https://www.cnbcindonesia.com/news/...an-dengan-anggaran-terbesar-kemenhan-rp-127-t

 

[Raduga]

Significant budget increase in 2020 for the Indonesian Defense Ministry Rp 127 Trillion from the previous Rp 108 Trillion in 2019.

Berikut adalah datanya:

1. Kementerian Pertahanan: Rp 127,4 triliun

2. Kementerian Pekerjaan Umum dan Perumahan Rakyat: Rp 120,2 triliun

3. Kepolisian Republik Indonesia: Rp 90,3 triliun

4. Kementerian Perdagangan: Rp 65,1 triliun

5. Kementerian Sosial: Rp 62,8 triliun

6. Kementerian Kesehatan: Rp 57,4 triliun

7. Kementerian Perhubungan: Rp 42,7 triliun

8. Kementerian Riset Teknologi dan Pendidikan Tinggi: Rp 42,2 triliun

9. Kementerian Keuangan: Rp 37,2 triliun

10. Kementerian Pendidikan dan Kebudayaan: Rp 35,7 triliun

https://www.cnbcindonesia.com/news/...an-dengan-anggaran-terbesar-kemenhan-rp-127-t

around $8.9 billion in USD currency , not trying to be tukang ngitung , but according to information that i got from google , a complete package of Iver cost around $340 million , lets said we decide to upgrade it and ramped up the price into $450million , maybe we still can get like 4-5 of them with Soft loan (if there was a lender) and not just 2 unit , like planned before .

 

[mandala]

still around 8


around $8.9 billion in USD currency , not trying to be tukang ngitung , but according to information that i got from google , a complete package of Iver cost around $340 million , lets said we decide to upgrade it and ramped up the price into $450million , maybe we still can get like 4-5 of them with Soft loan (if there was a lender) and not just 2 unit , like planned before .

Well with today Rupiah at Rp 14.300 (Rp 14.245) against the dollar, its quite an increase from USD 7.6 Billion in 2019 to USD 8.9 Billion in 2020.

https://m.cnnindonesia.com/ekonomi/...020-penguatan-rupiah-hari-ini-didorong-global

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I just notice it that the rocket already use APKWS.....it's nice to see APKWS in our Apache's arsenal

Nice.

 

[Whizzack]

Significant budget increase in 2020 for the Indonesian Defense Ministry Rp 127 Trillion from the previous Rp 108 Trillion in 2019.

Berikut adalah datanya:

1. Kementerian Pertahanan: Rp 127,4 triliun

2. Kementerian Pekerjaan Umum dan Perumahan Rakyat: Rp 120,2 triliun

3. Kepolisian Republik Indonesia: Rp 90,3 triliun

4. Kementerian Perdagangan: Rp 65,1 triliun

5. Kementerian Sosial: Rp 62,8 triliun

6. Kementerian Kesehatan: Rp 57,4 triliun

7. Kementerian Perhubungan: Rp 42,7 triliun

8. Kementerian Riset Teknologi dan Pendidikan Tinggi: Rp 42,2 triliun

9. Kementerian Keuangan: Rp 37,2 triliun

10. Kementerian Pendidikan dan Kebudayaan: Rp 35,7 triliun

https://www.cnbcindonesia.com/news/...an-dengan-anggaran-terbesar-kemenhan-rp-127-t

Huh..? No Kemenag..? That's a surprise.. usually they are always included in the top 10 biggest ministry budget...

 

[umigami]

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I just notice it that the rocket already use APKWS.....it's nice to see APKWS in our Apache's arsenal

Are you sure?
Looks like an ordinary hydra rocket for me.
No guidance unit with grey color

 

[Logam42]

Sweet! Looks like this year's budget is a good one for the military

 

[Soman45]

Are you sure?
Looks like an ordinary hydra rocket for me.
No guidance unit with grey color

woops sorry i forgot about the guidance unit but the tip of the rocket it seems like APKWS for me well maybe i'm wrong