Indonesia Defence Forum

[Cromwell]

Wow 12 satrad , do you think we should build an OTH radar antenna complex facing scs like what bule aussie did with JORN (jindalee)

Ideally we should. You see in 21st geopolitical world, South China Sea is among hot zones which potentially can explode into a regional conflict. Either we participate or not due to geographical proximity there will be impacts on us. So i suppose precautions in Natuna is a must for detterence

 

[barjo]

Anyway why everyone need stealth design on 60/40m boat... Its already small dude


Gangbang tactics ya... Hehehehe... Just joke


Just paint them with enamel then its waterproff bro LOL

By the way the principal is..
If you sailing in speed above 10knot, small as what ever you are the radar operator will not asume you a fishing boat, minimum the will called alert for speedboat or fast motorboat, if KCR run on 20knot or above, what kind of fishing boat that has such those speed? Offcourse the will shoot you first

Look at the iran guard republic boat case

 

[chandieka]

There some question in my mind..is there some possibility that KCR become a platform for SAM to protect our land..carrying Nasams..so kcr can provide much more covering area

KCR-60 Platform isnt really interchangeable or dynamic hence if we want to fit something new on it, we only can design a new platform for it...

the role of air defense at best should be handle by frigates and above or at lowest by corvette

 

[Cromwell]

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2 Articles we should all read to understand Indonesian geopolitics and perceptions of external threats

 

[chandieka]

It can be if someone can manage how to put the radar and box launcher, it almost like RIM, better choose the IR version for not need a tracking radar

the role of RIM are use for self-defense rather than use to cover an area.

IR guidance is great for self-defense but not great for covering greater area as it lack the range and poor locking capabilities for longer range.

if we somehow design a Corvette for air defense it should carries an hybrid passive and terminal active radar missile for SAM as it more suitable for it.

 

[barjo]

the role of RIM are use for self-defense rather than use to cover an area.

IR guidance is great for self-defense but not great for covering greater area as it lack the range and poor locking capabilities for longer range.

if we somehow design a Corvette for air defense it should carries an hybrid passive and terminal active radar missile for SAM as it more suitable for it.

And then dont choose 60m boat for air defence role, or someone can manage put the radar underwater

Something can be done but its compensite other thing

 

[chandieka]

Wait ? What exactly do you mean ? NASAMs ( Norwegian Advance Surface to Air Missile systems ) is ground point based air defence system not something installed around naval platform ?

what probably he mean is that can we put a SAM system on our KCR? the short answer is No

And then dont choose 60m boat for air defence role, or someone can manage put the radar underwater

that was exactly my point lmao

We lack the budget and the technology, so how do we solve this?

swarm saturation attack is the only answer, we will lose in straight on attack no matter what and who we are fighting with.

one of the thing we could do is to deal collateral damage to the enemy as much as possible.

we dont need fancy big and vulnerable destroyer

what we need is lots of lots of missile (land, anti-ship, etc), that's how the Soviet plan to do when fighting against the NATO, they know they are out number so they just YOLO and build as many missile as possible as a deterrent

 

[barjo]

what probably he mean is that can we put a SAM system on our KCR? the short answer is No



that was exactly my point lmao

We lack the budget and the technology, so how do we solve this?

swarm saturation attack is the only answer, we will lose in straight on attack no matter what and who we are fighting with.

one of the thing we could do is to deal collateral damage to the enemy as much as possible.

we dont need fancy big and vunureble destroyer

Usually the submarine tactics is more effective. Seat still dont move and let them come inside the weapons parameter, hit them hard then run to the island clutter

 

[Raduga]

the role of RIM are use for self-defense rather than use to cover an area.

IR guidance is great for self-defense but not great for covering greater area as it lack the range and poor locking capabilities for longer range.

if we somehow design a Corvette for air defense it should carries an hybrid passive and terminal active radar missile for SAM as it more suitable for it.

That's why long ago i said we should lobby south africa for development of umkhonto missile , the finnish hamina class had like 8 cell VLS for umkhonto

 

[Cromwell]

https://www.navyrecognition.com/ind...-anti-surface-weapon-system-at-idex-2017.html

Speaking of MARLIN WS 30mm in our PC-40 Class. Actually there was an article from 2 years ago about combining the gun platform with MBDA Mistral SHORAD system but i doubt we will adopt such.

 

[chandieka]

Usually the submarine tactics is more effective. Seat still dont move and let them come inside the weapons parameter, hit them hard then run to the island clutter

the only different with those thing u mention is the cost of operating and the range of thing it can strike

 

[Raduga]

Usually the submarine tactics is more effective. Seat still dont move and let them come inside the weapons parameter, hit them hard then run to the island clutter

I do agree , submarine works really well as a "deterent" for developed country with green water navy , still remember when india confused themselves for 21 days trying to find pakis subs that goes hide and seek

 

[barjo]

the only different with those thing u mention is the cost of operating and the range of thing it can strike

I dont know bro honestly... What kind of weapons (missile) do we have to armed those KCR. We can laugh all night long for this LOL

 

[Nike]

what probably he mean is that can we put a SAM system on our KCR? the short answer is No



that was exactly my point lmao

We lack the budget and the technology, so how do we solve this?

swarm saturation attack is the only answer, we will lose in straight on attack no matter what and who we are fighting with.

one of the thing we could do is to deal collateral damage to the enemy as much as possible.

we dont need fancy big and vunureble destroyer

what we need is lots of lots of missile (land, anti-ship, etc), thats how the soviet plan to do when fighting againt the NATO they know they are out number so they just YOLO and build as many missile as possible as a deterrent

the Soviet Navy surface combatant biggest and latent arsenal is actually a big cruiser and they are several times more heavier than US destroyer or Cruiser.

Actually we need those fancy and big destroyer in rather large number to made a balance against our potential adversary at high seas and deter them. Gunboat diplomacy will be more meaningful and had effect using those fancy destroyer instead of those cretin Kapal tidak Cepat tanpa Rudal

 

[barjo]

I do agree , submarine works really well as a "deterent" for developed country with green water navy , still remember when india confused themselves for 21 days trying to find pakis subs that goes hide and seek

Yes because of single sub, the whole fleet would advance very carefull, its delay all the attack at once