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[Nike]

Smol plane, but somehow crucial to our success in eliminating the last meaningful resistance of what left from Fretilin's regulars, without the Broncos perhaps the operation would drag on longer and takes more unnecessary casualties. We were in no good posture during that time, almost all the good toys are retired, grounded or scrapped, and only after the hard truth slapped these officers, they first considered buying COIN aircrafts, more helicopters and submarines.

Foreign invasion is not problem at all at that time, that's why the officers never think ahead to buy some serious armaments, and were so confident using mostly infantry to do almost all the jobs from intelligence to COIN in Timor Timur, and it turns out so many blunders happened during the first phase.

Also, perhaps one of the least known photograph of the operation, don't know about others but i want to share it anyway :

The original kampret :

With rocket pods?:

Bombs or drop tanks?

Got some BTR 50, BMDR, AMX 13, AMX VTT used in early phase of invasion

 

[HellFireIndo]

Got some BTR 50, BMDR, AMX 13, AMX VTT used in early phase of invasion

They could only be used on the coastal area and cities mostly, beyond that are jungles and mountains that only infantry can cross (where much of the later fighting took place). Besides, in the earliest phase we need to make the invasion as obscure as possible so that it'll look like Pro-Indonesian Timorese guerilla vs Fretilin, rather than Indonesian regular vs Fretilin, so the APCs and AMXs only used in later months after we already occupy much of the strategic points and have consolidated support from various countries for the "integration".

Bonus (?) :
Apparently we used cluster bombs in East Timor, RBK 250 :

Here is how the bomb works :

 

[Nike]

KSAU paid visit to Hasanudin AFB, to check the progress of Newly built Sk 33 working base

Theon optronic workshops in PT Pindad complexes

 

[HellFireIndo]

KSAU paid visit to Hasanudin AFB, to check the progress of Newly built Sk 33 working base

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Theon optronic workshops in PT Pindad complexes

Done a quick search for their website, they (Theon) are a Greek company producing Optronics like thermal sight, night vision and illuminator (?) for military use. So, it seems like they are cooperating with Pindad to open an Optronics workshop in Pindad's Bandung facility? i assume that Pindad wanted to produce Optronics on it's own hence the workshop being run by Pindad's own employees. Anyway, i just hope that optical sights and other supporting equipment could be standardized and become widespread in the military.

 

[Ambalat]

TERMA AWARDED CONTRACT FOR COMPLETE C-SERIES COMBAT SUITE FOR INDONESIAN KCR-60 VESSELS
2019-05-13:
This contract is an important breakthrough for Terma as it represents the first sale of a complete Combat System in Indonesia.

Singapore, 13 May 2019 - During a signing ceremony in Surabaya, Indonesia, Terma was officially awarded the contract for delivery of a complete C-Series Combat Suite for four KCR-60 vessels of the Indonesian Navy (TNI-AL).

The scope of supply for each of the vessels will include Terma’s C-Flex Combat Management System, SCANTER 4603 X-Band radar, C-Guard Decoy Launching System, C-Fire Electro Optical Fire Control System, and full system integration of shipborne sensors and effectors such as naval guns and missile systems. In addition, Terma will assume the role of Combat System Integrator (CSI).

“Terma supports Indonesia’s ambitions and aspirations of developing its own defense industry. Transfer of Technology and growing together with our partners are in line with the business philosophy of Terma. We have already, together with a local partner, established a local Combat Management System development center based on our C-Flex solution. This will further empower and also enable us to better support our Indonesian customers, and we look very much forward to further strengthening the collaboration with non-defense and defense partners in Indonesia,” said Jens Maaløe, President and CEO, Terma Group.

An Important Breakthrough
“This contract is an important breakthrough for Terma as it represents the first sale of a complete Combat System in Indonesia, and the third in the region,” said Anupam Narain Mathur, Vice President & General Manager, Terma Asia Pacific.

Prior to the signing ceremony, the state-owned Indonesian shipyard PT PAL and the Indonesian Ministry of Defence (MoD) on 28 December 2018 signed a contract for the upgrade of two KCR-60 fast attack crafts with new Combat Management Systems (CMS) and also for the construction of two additional vessels to be equipped with the same CMS. PT PAL will act as the platform system integrator.

Indonesia Holds a Key Role
Since the opening of Terma’s subsidiary in Singapore in 2007, Indonesia has played a key role in the regional development of the company in Asia Pacific. As an archipelagic country with over 50,000 km of coastline, Indonesia holds many opportunities for Terma. The country’s dependency on sea transport for both domestic and international trading links represent a major axe of development for Terma’s Security and Mission Systems capabilities in the country.

Terma already has several systems in operation in Indonesia, both on land and at sea. SCANTER radars are operated by the Indonesian Maritime Security Agency (BAKAMLA), the Indonesian Sea and Coast Guard (KPLP), the Directorate General of Sea Transportation, TNI-AL and Jakarta Soekarno–Hatta International Airport. TNI-AL has also chosen the C-Guard Decoy Launching System to protect several strategic vessels of its fleet.

https://www.terma.com/press/news-20...zAjGsVxCwf1y-gR9Xj2ong1HiPzbeJXZGdbgF05Iswm0c

 

[Nike]

TERMA AWARDED CONTRACT FOR COMPLETE C-SERIES COMBAT SUITE FOR INDONESIAN KCR-60 VESSELS
2019-05-13:
This contract is an important breakthrough for Terma as it represents the first sale of a complete Combat System in Indonesia.

Singapore, 13 May 2019 - During a signing ceremony in Surabaya, Indonesia, Terma was officially awarded the contract for delivery of a complete C-Series Combat Suite for four KCR-60 vessels of the Indonesian Navy (TNI-AL).

The scope of supply for each of the vessels will include Terma’s C-Flex Combat Management System, SCANTER 4603 X-Band radar, C-Guard Decoy Launching System, C-Fire Electro Optical Fire Control System, and full system integration of shipborne sensors and effectors such as naval guns and missile systems. In addition, Terma will assume the role of Combat System Integrator (CSI).

“Terma supports Indonesia’s ambitions and aspirations of developing its own defense industry. Transfer of Technology and growing together with our partners are in line with the business philosophy of Terma. We have already, together with a local partner, established a local Combat Management System development center based on our C-Flex solution. This will further empower and also enable us to better support our Indonesian customers, and we look very much forward to further strengthening the collaboration with non-defense and defense partners in Indonesia,” said Jens Maaløe, President and CEO, Terma Group.

An Important Breakthrough
“This contract is an important breakthrough for Terma as it represents the first sale of a complete Combat System in Indonesia, and the third in the region,” said Anupam Narain Mathur, Vice President & General Manager, Terma Asia Pacific.

Prior to the signing ceremony, the state-owned Indonesian shipyard PT PAL and the Indonesian Ministry of Defence (MoD) on 28 December 2018 signed a contract for the upgrade of two KCR-60 fast attack crafts with new Combat Management Systems (CMS) and also for the construction of two additional vessels to be equipped with the same CMS. PT PAL will act as the platform system integrator.

Indonesia Holds a Key Role
Since the opening of Terma’s subsidiary in Singapore in 2007, Indonesia has played a key role in the regional development of the company in Asia Pacific. As an archipelagic country with over 50,000 km of coastline, Indonesia holds many opportunities for Terma. The country’s dependency on sea transport for both domestic and international trading links represent a major axe of development for Terma’s Security and Mission Systems capabilities in the country.

Terma already has several systems in operation in Indonesia, both on land and at sea. SCANTER radars are operated by the Indonesian Maritime Security Agency (BAKAMLA), the Indonesian Sea and Coast Guard (KPLP), the Directorate General of Sea Transportation, TNI-AL and Jakarta Soekarno–Hatta International Airport. TNI-AL has also chosen the C-Guard Decoy Launching System to protect several strategic vessels of its fleet.

https://www.terma.com/press/news-20...zAjGsVxCwf1y-gR9Xj2ong1HiPzbeJXZGdbgF05Iswm0c

Tumben ngambil paket lengkap, biasanya FFBNW

Terma dari Denmark Kan? Ini sih jelas C Flex solutions itu integrasi Dan penggunaannya dimari buat learning curve combat system future frigate Indonesia kedepannya

 

[deadlast]

TERMA AWARDED CONTRACT FOR COMPLETE C-SERIES COMBAT SUITE FOR INDONESIAN KCR-60 VESSELS
2019-05-13:
This contract is an important breakthrough for Terma as it represents the first sale of a complete Combat System in Indonesia.

Singapore, 13 May 2019 - During a signing ceremony in Surabaya, Indonesia, Terma was officially awarded the contract for delivery of a complete C-Series Combat Suite for four KCR-60 vessels of the Indonesian Navy (TNI-AL).

The scope of supply for each of the vessels will include Terma’s C-Flex Combat Management System, SCANTER 4603 X-Band radar, C-Guard Decoy Launching System, C-Fire Electro Optical Fire Control System, and full system integration of shipborne sensors and effectors such as naval guns and missile systems. In addition, Terma will assume the role of Combat System Integrator (CSI).

“Terma supports Indonesia’s ambitions and aspirations of developing its own defense industry. Transfer of Technology and growing together with our partners are in line with the business philosophy of Terma. We have already, together with a local partner, established a local Combat Management System development center based on our C-Flex solution. This will further empower and also enable us to better support our Indonesian customers, and we look very much forward to further strengthening the collaboration with non-defense and defense partners in Indonesia,” said Jens Maaløe, President and CEO, Terma Group.

An Important Breakthrough
“This contract is an important breakthrough for Terma as it represents the first sale of a complete Combat System in Indonesia, and the third in the region,” said Anupam Narain Mathur, Vice President & General Manager, Terma Asia Pacific.

Prior to the signing ceremony, the state-owned Indonesian shipyard PT PAL and the Indonesian Ministry of Defence (MoD) on 28 December 2018 signed a contract for the upgrade of two KCR-60 fast attack crafts with new Combat Management Systems (CMS) and also for the construction of two additional vessels to be equipped with the same CMS. PT PAL will act as the platform system integrator.

Indonesia Holds a Key Role
Since the opening of Terma’s subsidiary in Singapore in 2007, Indonesia has played a key role in the regional development of the company in Asia Pacific. As an archipelagic country with over 50,000 km of coastline, Indonesia holds many opportunities for Terma. The country’s dependency on sea transport for both domestic and international trading links represent a major axe of development for Terma’s Security and Mission Systems capabilities in the country.

Terma already has several systems in operation in Indonesia, both on land and at sea. SCANTER radars are operated by the Indonesian Maritime Security Agency (BAKAMLA), the Indonesian Sea and Coast Guard (KPLP), the Directorate General of Sea Transportation, TNI-AL and Jakarta Soekarno–Hatta International Airport. TNI-AL has also chosen the C-Guard Decoy Launching System to protect several strategic vessels of its fleet.

https://www.terma.com/press/news-20...zAjGsVxCwf1y-gR9Xj2ong1HiPzbeJXZGdbgF05Iswm0c

So, this is for KRI Halasan, KRI Kerambit & other 2 newly ordered boats I assumed?

Interesting, I wonder why does they moved to Terma system now when the previous boats (KRI Sampari & KRI Tombak) already used Chinese system, radar and weaponry?

Also, no FCR on the news above means no CIWS for these boats?

 

[HellFireIndo]

Interesting, I wonder why does they moved to Terma system now when the previous boats (KRI Sampari & KRI Tombak) already used Chinese system, radar and weaponry?

Maybe cause they (the system) are Chinese? idk the Chinese government is obliged by the constitution (?) to sell subpar stuffs for exports, AShMs we bought from the Chinese were essentially Harpoon kw china, perhaps the Navy aren't satisfied, either in the performance or service, or both, also having Chinese system on mostly Western combat system dominated fleet is not really a smart thing to do.

Also, no FCR on the news above means no CIWS for these boats?

If i remember correctly, we have some KCRs with CIWS in place of main gun, interesting concept but i don't know any more information about it, but apprently for KCR 60 class it will only have Bofors 57mm gun.

 

[Chestnut]

Maybe cause they (the system) are Chinese? idk the Chinese government is obliged by the constitution (?) to sell subpar stuffs for exports, AShMs we bought from the Chinese were essentially Harpoon kw china, perhaps the Navy aren't satisfied, either in the performance or service, or both, also having Chinese system on mostly Western combat system dominated fleet is not really a smart thing to do.


If i remember correctly, we have some KCRs with CIWS in place of main gun, interesting concept but i don't know any more information about it, but apprently for KCR 60 class it will only have Bofors 57mm gun.

They stripped the Chinese electronics and switching them with Terma. The decision to use Chinese was a controversial one that for some people cost them their jobs. The fitting out procedure was also god awful and basically was commercial level rather than military grade.

The company I used to work for was involved in the project. They were competing with an Indra CMS in order to basically replace the Chinese sub systems.

 

[Mr. Woof Woof]

Indonesian Police OPV 8003

 

[deadlast]

If i remember correctly, we have some KCRs with CIWS in place of main gun, interesting concept but i don't know any more information about it, but apprently for KCR 60 class it will only have Bofors 57mm gun.

Do you mean KCR-40 KRI Clurit & KRI Badik Kujang?

In case you don't know, KRI Sampari & KRI Tombak (KCR-60) also fitted with Chinese CIWS, Type 630 or H/PJ-13 on the stern, the same type installed on KCR-40 as main gun. That's why I asked about FCR above.

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[HellFireIndo]

Do you mean KCR-40 KRI Clurit & KRI Badik?

In case you don't know, KRI Sampari & KRI Tombak (KCR-60) also fitted with Chinese CIWS, Type 630 or H/PJ-13 on the stern, the same type installed on KCR-40 as main gun. That's why I asked about FCR above.

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Yeah, thanks for the correction.

 

[GraveDigger388]

They stripped the Chinese electronics and switching them with Terma. The decision to use Chinese was a controversial one that for some people cost them their jobs. The fitting out procedure was also god awful and basically was commercial level rather than military grade.

The company I used to work for was involved in the project. They were competing with an Indra CMS in order to basically replace the Chinese sub systems.

So what's the verdict on Chinese system, from now on?

 

[Chestnut]

So what's the verdict on Chinese system, from now on?

Well considering people died after using a Chinese ZU-23 replica and Chinese electronics/AShM's failed to meet expectations you can draw your own conclusions.

 

[Mr. Woof Woof]

New LST KRI 522 for Indonesian Navy is ready to launch.

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