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[Jatosint]

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[gondes]

COUNT ME IN!

Tell me how to do it. Should we make campaign over internet / social media?

 

[pr1v4t33r]

SAT ( Sea Accaptance Trials ), Landing Ship Tank, KRI Teluk Lada 521

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[NEKONEKO]

South Korean officials arrive in Jakarta to renegotiate KFX/IFX fighter aircraft programme

Key Points

• Indonesia and South Korea have begun renegotiating the former's involvement in the KFX/IFX fighter aircraft programme
• Jakarta aims to acquire an initial batch of 16 airframes, while lessening the programme's financial burden on Indonesia's state budget

A delegation comprising officials from Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) has arrived in Jakarta to renegotiate Indonesia's participation in a programme to jointly develop and build the Korean Fighter Xperiment/Indonesia Fighter Xperiment (KFX/IFX) aircraft.

According to information and documents supplied to Jane'son 23 January by a source from the Indonesian House of Representatives' commission on defence, intelligence, and foreign affairs (Komisi I), a meeting to discuss the programme was held over two days from 24 January.

Attending the meeting on behalf of Jakarta were a team of representatives from state-owned aerospace company PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PTDI); the Indonesian Ministry of Defence; and the Co-ordinating Ministry for Political, Legal, and Security Affairs (POLHUKAM).

The document that was provided to Jane's , which gives details of the points of discussion that were raised at the meeting, also indicates that Indonesia was expected to propose an extension to its payment obligations under the programme to 2031.

To further lessen the burden on its national defence budget, Indonesia was also expected to propose making payments for the programme via counter-trade deals instead of cash; similar to the strategy it is pursuing in the acquisition of Su-35 fighter aircraft from Russia.

Additionally, Jakarta pushed for greater intellectual property rights over technologies developed in the programme with a view to commercialise them in the future.

Under the original KFX/IFX finance agreement signed between the two countries in 2015, Indonesia is obliged to pay for 20% of the programme's total development costs, which is estimated to be about USD8 billion.

https://www.janes.com/article/85988...enegotiate-kfx-ifx-fighter-aircraft-programme

 

[pr1v4t33r]

 

[afiq0110]

If it's an official move by Vanuatu govt, than I haven't heard / read about it (yet). However when it
s about asymmetric propaganda's coming from any of those shit hole islands nation on the Pacific than it's a different story.

For the past few years I had often stumble upon their propaganda channel in nearly all mainstream forum, social medias, and Youtube. In fact there is official (verified) channel of it in Youtube.

Due to the gross complacency on the part of Indonesia gov't in countering those propaganda channel they are now blooming nearly at every corner of the internet (although I had not seen any of them in any part of deep web yet). I had tried numerous times reporting those channels to DepKominfo with no follow up action whatsoever .
(but then again I remember if anyone is competent enough to do IT related job, than they won't be working in DepKominfo do they)

If anyone here willing to countering their propaganda I'm more than willing to elaborate some detail on how to do it yourself (it's actually very easy), however I first wan't to measure if there is any actual interest from you guys here to actually do it. (which is why I'm asking this question)

I am willing to participate... count me in also...

 

[Ambalat]

Indonesia selects 62 m vessel from Abeking & Rasmussen for MCMV replacement
Ridzwan Rahmat, Singapore - Jane's Defence Weekly
31 January 2019

An artist’s impression on the Indonesian Navy’s new MCMV that will be designed and built by Abeking & Rasmussen. Source: Abeking & Rasmussen
Indonesia’s Ministry of Defence (MoD) has signed a contract with Abeking & Rasmussen to design and construct two mine countermeasures vessels (MCMVs) for the Indonesian Navy (Tentara Nasional Indonesia – Angkatan Laut: TNI-AL).

The 62 m vessels will be an evolution of the German Navy’s Frankenthal class, and will replace the TNI-AL’s ageing fleet of two Pulau Rengat-class MCMVs, both of which were commissioned in March 1988.

Abeking & Rasmussen has not given details of specific systems that would go onboard the vessels, but indicated that MCM payloads would include a mine hunting sonar as well as unmanned vehicles.

MCM mission systems that can be deployed from the German Navy’s Frankenthal class include the Seafox I and Seafox C anti-mine maritime drones, and the Pinguin B3 ROV. The non-magnetisable platform can also accommodate one 4 m rigid-hull inflatable boat (RHIB) for intervention duties.

The Indonesian government approved a sum of USD215 million in 2016 for the replacement programme, but the allocation was subsequently reduced to USD204 million in line with latest requirements submitted by the TNI-AL.

https://www.janes.com/article/86093...l-from-abeking-rasmussen-for-mcmv-replacement

Too bad no specs available yet.

 

[radialv]

Indonesia selects 62 m vessel from Abeking & Rasmussen for MCMV replacement
Ridzwan Rahmat, Singapore - Jane's Defence Weekly
31 January 2019

An artist’s impression on the Indonesian Navy’s new MCMV that will be designed and built by Abeking & Rasmussen. Source: Abeking & Rasmussen
Indonesia’s Ministry of Defence (MoD) has signed a contract with Abeking & Rasmussen to design and construct two mine countermeasures vessels (MCMVs) for the Indonesian Navy (Tentara Nasional Indonesia – Angkatan Laut: TNI-AL).

The 62 m vessels will be an evolution of the German Navy’s Frankenthal class, and will replace the TNI-AL’s ageing fleet of two Pulau Rengat-class MCMVs, both of which were commissioned in March 1988.

Abeking & Rasmussen has not given details of specific systems that would go onboard the vessels, but indicated that MCM payloads would include a mine hunting sonar as well as unmanned vehicles.

MCM mission systems that can be deployed from the German Navy’s Frankenthal class include the Seafox I and Seafox C anti-mine maritime drones, and the Pinguin B3 ROV. The non-magnetisable platform can also accommodate one 4 m rigid-hull inflatable boat (RHIB) for intervention duties.

The Indonesian government approved a sum of USD215 million in 2016 for the replacement programme, but the allocation was subsequently reduced to USD204 million in line with latest requirements submitted by the TNI-AL.

https://www.janes.com/article/86093...l-from-abeking-rasmussen-for-mcmv-replacement

Too bad no specs available yet
we had 3 green water fleet but only two MCMV ?

 

[trishna_amṛta]

COUNT ME IN!

Tell me how to do it. Should we make campaign over internet / social media?

I am willing to participate... count me in also...

You know when I was asking that question I seriously doubt there will be anyone whose willing to do something (take action) within their means. Seeing plenty of my own personal friends keep posting against Indonesia economy & political interest by spreading propaganda, black campaign, and even participate in fundraising (donating $ / €) has made me very doubtful most of the time .

First and foremost, I need to elaborate the modus operandi of those troll activist, hopefully this will give you some insight. I will not however elaborate detail regarding source and technical method & resources I've use to gather such information or to draw conclusion.

The grassroots activist usually posting some old (few decades old sometime) news article, video, pictorial and framing it as if they were happening recently. Recently I've also stumble upon official Youtube channel that using fake (as in staged using actors) and dressing the actor using Indonesia Police / TNI uniforms. So far their content haven't reach the mainstream yet, however with the gross neglect of Indonesia gov't over the matter I began see some indication that they are begin to achieve some traction.

As with any other internet troll, their objective is to get any attention by creating or commenting in something (whatever that is) and receiving any respond. It's doesn't matter if they were commenting / posting in a subject that is irrelevant, as long they were getting any attention that will be enough for the social-media / forum algorithm and thus Google index for uprating their trolling comment higher and thus more visible.

How to countering their propaganda materials :

• DO NOT provoked into commenting / responding them, doing so only give them what they wan't, which is attention. In short Do Not Feed The Troll.
• If the said social-media / forum has dislike / downvote feature then use it instead of trying to confronting their argument (keep in mind, Facebook doesn't have this feature). By disliking / dowvoting their posting, that particular post of them will be downrated by the algorithm into less visible. For Youtube viewer count only get count if you had fully watch the video (or the majority of it). Which mean, merely opening the video for the purpose of disliking them will not count toward their viewer count.
• DO NOT sharing / tagging their content using social-media even if it's for the purpose of asking others to joining in in disliking / downvoting them. By sharing a content / post you only end up upgrading their popularity and making them more visible to the general audience. If you really wish to ask other people to disliking / downvoting their content, then just copy paste their ID / profile link instead of using share function.

As you can see it's very easy to countering their online propaganda, and it's something you can do it yourself. I'm pretty sure I've got few of their grassroot troll data somewhere, heck i even got the home address of a certain guy. If anyone interested I'm can always sharing it here (without triggering any upgrade to their visibility in Google).

And now that was done, I heading back to Pornhub

 

[V3NOM12]

You know when I was asking that question I seriously doubt there will be anyone whose willing to do something (take action) within their means. Seeing plenty of my own personal friends keep posting against Indonesia economy & political interest by spreading propaganda, black campaign, and even participate in fundraising (donating $ / €) has made me very doubtful most of the time .

First and foremost, I need to elaborate the modus operandi of those troll activist, hopefully this will give you some insight. I will not however elaborate detail regarding source and technical method & resources I've use to gather such information or to draw conclusion.

The grassroots activist usually posting some old (few decades old sometime) news article, video, pictorial and framing it as if they were happening recently. Recently I've also stumble upon official Youtube channel that using fake (as in staged using actors) and dressing the actor using Indonesia Police / TNI uniforms. So far their content haven't reach the mainstream yet, however with the gross neglect of Indonesia gov't over the matter I began see some indication that they are begin to achieve some traction.

As with any other internet troll, their objective is to get any attention by creating or commenting in something (whatever that is) and receiving any respond. It's doesn't matter if they were commenting / posting in a subject that is irrelevant, as long they were getting any attention that will be enough for the social-media / forum algorithm and thus Google index for uprating their trolling comment higher and thus more visible.

How to countering their propaganda materials :

• DO NOT provoked into commenting / responding them, doing so only give them what they wan't, which is attention. In short Do Not Feed The Troll.
• If the said social-media / forum has dislike / downvote feature then use it instead of trying to confronting their argument (keep in mind, Facebook doesn't have this feature). By disliking / dowvoting their posting, that particular post of them will be downrated by the algorithm into less visible. For Youtube viewer count only get count if you had fully watch the video (or the majority of it). Which mean, merely opening the video for the purpose of disliking them will not count toward their viewer count.
• DO NOT sharing / tagging their content using social-media even if it's for the purpose of asking others to joining in in disliking / downvoting them. By sharing a content / post you only end up upgrading their popularity and making them more visible to the general audience. If you really wish to ask other people to disliking / downvoting their content, then just copy paste their ID / profile link instead of using share function.

As you can see it's very easy to countering their online propaganda, and it's something you can do it yourself. I'm pretty sure I've got few of their grassroot troll data somewhere, heck i even got the home address of a certain guy. If anyone interested I'm can always sharing it here (without triggering any upgrade to their visibility in Google).

And now that was done, I heading back to Pornhub

I did all of that but one question please, youtube has reporting option so i used to report any kind of fake news about Indonesia, is that ok or not

 

[trishna_amṛta]

I did all of that but one question please, youtube has reporting option so i used to report any kind of fake news about Indonesia, is that ok or not

I was about to elaborate that previously, unfortunately I was downloading a film and I'm prioritizing watching that film first

Few years ago I also try using that report feature (which is available in any mainstream social-media), unfortunately I soon realize that every social-media / internet forum has similar "social hierarchy". Meaning if you ever disagree or reporting anyone for any reason who is above you in that social hierarchy then you're the one whose at fault.

Example of social hierarchy in the majority of mainstream social-media / internet forum ;

1. Apex / Alpha / Topmost. Anyone who were perceived to be Caucasian (white) or African (black) decent. These guys are at the top hierarchy, which mean if you ever disagree with them, or they don't like your respond / comment and they reported you, then the moderator will deemed you to be at fault (regardless of the cause). Don't bother reporting them because it doesn't work that way. And this is the primary reason we can't just refute or call out their propaganda, because they are at the top of the hierarchy (they are African / black looking)
2. Second line. Anyone who were perceived as East Asian (yellow skin & slant eyes)
3. Bottom of the Barrel. Anyone who were perceived as brown colored skin. Obviously this is the majority of Indonesian posters (which include myself in this category)

BTW in this forum, that Second Line became the Topmost in this forum hierarchy. So if they ever spreading fake news, hoax, or trolling whenever there is disaster in Indonesia (like they usually do), don't bother reporting them to the mod. It is always we (Indonesian posters) who were at fault and banned, although I personally doesn't give a shit if I ever get banned of this place (it's their loss not mine)

So there you have it. We Indonesian posters are at the bottom of the hierarchy which made us "powerless"

FYI if our gov't just ask Indonesia netizen to jointly disliking / downvoting the separatist propaganda, all their contents will be rendered irrelevant, thus no longer popping up in any related search engine query in short amount of time .
Don't get me wrong, I'm big supporter of Jokowi administration, however some of his minister / political appointee are less competent by industry standard. IMO stating that some of them are less competent is already an overstatement by itself

 

[gondes]

What if we fast forward the videos then dislike it? Is it counted?

IMO we also need to like videos articles that support NKRI.

You know when I was asking that question I seriously doubt there will be anyone whose willing to do something (take action) within their means. Seeing plenty of my own personal friends keep posting against Indonesia economy & political interest by spreading propaganda, black campaign, and even participate in fundraising (donating $ / €) has made me very doubtful most of the time .

First and foremost, I need to elaborate the modus operandi of those troll activist, hopefully this will give you some insight. I will not however elaborate detail regarding source and technical method & resources I've use to gather such information or to draw conclusion.

The grassroots activist usually posting some old (few decades old sometime) news article, video, pictorial and framing it as if they were happening recently. Recently I've also stumble upon official Youtube channel that using fake (as in staged using actors) and dressing the actor using Indonesia Police / TNI uniforms. So far their content haven't reach the mainstream yet, however with the gross neglect of Indonesia gov't over the matter I began see some indication that they are begin to achieve some traction.

As with any other internet troll, their objective is to get any attention by creating or commenting in something (whatever that is) and receiving any respond. It's doesn't matter if they were commenting / posting in a subject that is irrelevant, as long they were getting any attention that will be enough for the social-media / forum algorithm and thus Google index for uprating their trolling comment higher and thus more visible.

How to countering their propaganda materials :

• DO NOT provoked into commenting / responding them, doing so only give them what they wan't, which is attention. In short Do Not Feed The Troll.
• If the said social-media / forum has dislike / downvote feature then use it instead of trying to confronting their argument (keep in mind, Facebook doesn't have this feature). By disliking / dowvoting their posting, that particular post of them will be downrated by the algorithm into less visible. For Youtube viewer count only get count if you had fully watch the video (or the majority of it). Which mean, merely opening the video for the purpose of disliking them will not count toward their viewer count.
• DO NOT sharing / tagging their content using social-media even if it's for the purpose of asking others to joining in in disliking / downvoting them. By sharing a content / post you only end up upgrading their popularity and making them more visible to the general audience. If you really wish to ask other people to disliking / downvoting their content, then just copy paste their ID / profile link instead of using share function.

As you can see it's very easy to countering their online propaganda, and it's something you can do it yourself. I'm pretty sure I've got few of their grassroot troll data somewhere, heck i even got the home address of a certain guy. If anyone interested I'm can always sharing it here (without triggering any upgrade to their visibility in Google).

And now that was done, I heading back to Pornhub

 

[GraveDigger388]

It's gut wrenching to see our people got easily blinded by 'Progressivism' disease. I blame Tumblrinas...

Udah mah orang kita gampang latah, gampang ngikutin yang asal ngetren, trus tren sekarang HAM dan esjewe...ya udah, tepok jidat.

 

[trishna_amṛta]

What if we fast forward the videos then dislike it?

As in if you're clicking within the progress bar to certain point just to check if there is interesting scene right? From my experience it does get count, but only if you finish watching the video (example clicking it toward the end of the video) However Youtube might change this policy to demonetize channel (they kept changing policy regarding view count)

IMO we also need to like videos articles that support NKRI.

Never heard nor stumble upon any of it. heck even Indonesia tourism promo videos aren't that good, to the point it's baffle me as to whether or not the tourism ministry is being serious about promoting anything at all.

 

[GraveDigger388]

As in if you're clicking within the progress bar to certain point just to check if there is interesting scene right? From my experience it does get count, but only if you finish watching the video (example clicking it toward the end of the video) However Youtube might change this policy to demonetize channel (they kept changing policy regarding view count)



Never heard nor stumble upon any of it. heck even Indonesia tourism promo videos aren't that good, to the point it's baffle me as to whether or not the tourism ministry is being serious about promoting anything at all.

If I remember correctly, Dislikes do as much good as Likes. It's the viewcount that counts (pun not intended).