Indonesia Defence Forum

[Nike]

Because even the "best" allies of the US ( outside of NATO) will not have it... at least int hose coming fexw decades...
So if Indonesia want a F-35... She gonna wait a long long time...or even never...
So you have better chance to fund a 5th gen program and succeed in it than acquiring the F-35...

Or War come around... but that's a different future...that no one can be sure about...

i am working for lockmart representative in Indonesia, and ours had starting preliminary studies about Indonesia future fighter requirement. And there is no problem from our side to sell such advanced fighter to Indonesia politically at long term prospects, as Indonesia is quite stable and the gov. is fully working for democratically elect system. Indonesia is one of few countries in the world in which doesnt held title of Major non Nato allies the US had no problem who get clearence for many special privelege to getting US defense tech like Apache E, Lockmart ground based radar and other system

that's EXACTLY why we're investing in KFX/IFX program. sending our scientist to korea to learn about their core project as agreeable by the korean side. what we're taking back home isn't their jet fighters only. but the knowledge to make our own. this will be the basis to make our own future jets so we don't really need to depend on others except for diplomacy's sake.

Lockmart and US will only release the 4 core tech needed for development of KFX as long as Indonesia commit to made deal with us. Everything need sacrifice, unfortunately.

 

[Boss Dragun]

Lockmart and US will only release the 4 core tech needed for development of KFX as long as Indonesia commit to made deal with us. Everything need sacrifice, unfortunately.

that's what they said to their korean ally as well. now since korea and us are developing the forbidden tech, we don't really need to bend backwards to merica. keeping the cooperation with korea is the key to success for this project.

 

[HannibalBarca]

i am working for lockmart representative in Indonesia, and ours had starting preliminary studies about Indonesia future fighter requirement. And there is no problem from our side to sell such advanced fighter to Indonesia politically at long term prospects, as Indonesia is quite stable and the gov. is fully working for democratically elect system. Indonesia is one of few countries in the world in which doesnt held title of Major non Nato allies the US had no problem who get clearence for many special privelege to getting US defense tech like Apache E, Lockmart ground based radar and other system

The problem is not if Lockmartin is ok with it or not... but it's based on Political ties and strategic cooperation.

If the US feel the need to sell F-35 to Indonesia , then it's mean they have a need to put those F-35 around the area and they need to be sure that Indonesia is a strong ally and that their tech is safe from unwanted eyes or meddling of foreign forces ( China/Ru etc...)

If Indonesia check all those conditions then , she will get it. But as for Today. SHe don't and mostly not in the near future either.

But if Some of War or rising conflicts with an Indonesia siding with the US, then the F-35 deal will be put on table faster... .

It's always based on a strategic lvl... the US refused UAE / KSA to have few pcs in the future even tho' they were rdy to buy hundreds of it... why? simple, it's not a strategic move to let those countries having such Tech with Israel... So the only countries to get it in this ENTIRE region will be Israel and Turkey, Therefore a balance of power & protection is established...

ps: you can't compare Attack helis/Radar and such non critical tech VS a 5th gen fighter...

 

[Nike]

that's what they said to their korean ally as well. now since korea and us are developing the forbidden tech, we don't really need to bend backwards to merica. keeping the cooperation with korea is the key to success for this project.

no lah, there is reason why South Korean DAPA till today still pursue the 4 core tech from USA as they regarding the tech is important for the programme

The problem is not if Lockmartin is ok with it or not... but it's based on Political ties and strategic cooperation.

If the US feel the need to sell F-35 to Indonesia , then it's mean they have a need to put those F-35 around the area and they need to be sure that Indonesia is a strong ally and that their tech is safe from unwanted eyes or meddling of foreign forces ( China/Ru etc...)

If Indonesia check all those conditions then , she will get it. But as for Today. SHe don't and mostly not in the near future either.

But if Some of War or rising conflicts with an Indonesia siding with the US, then the F-35 deal will be put on table faster... .

It's always based on a strategic lvl... the US refused UAE / KSA to have few pcs in the future even tho' they were rdy to buy hundreds of it... why? simple, it's not a strategic move to let those countries having such Tech with Israel... So the only countries to get it in this ENTIRE region will be Israel and Turkey, Therefore a balance of power & protection is established...

ps: you can't compare Attack helis/Radar and such non critical tech VS a 5th gen fighter...

time will tell a lot, US in the region had Sing and Australia to contain China, but it is enough? not really, while both is prosperous and developed but both lack the number of population, manufacturing industry prowess and strategic deeps

 

[Jakartans@PkDef]

Swift Iron 2017 Joint Exercise between Indonesian Marine Amphibious Recon and US Army SFOD-A

Credit : Adibaskoro47

 

[Satria Manggala]

MMWT FNSS-Pindad Will replace old army tank

Credit to Bordobel

PT Pindad terus menggenjot produk andalannya untuk memperluas ekspansi bisnis pertahanan. Direktur Utama PT Pindad, Abraham Mose mengungkapkan, target capaian Pindad tahun 2017 ini mencapai Rp. 3,9 triliun. Dengan target yang cukup besar tersebut, pihaknya semakin mengukur kualitas kemampuan produksi terutama untuk produk andalan yang diminati konsumen.

“Kami akan terus meningkatkan produksi produk andalan kami seperti senjata SS2, kendaraan tempur, pistol combat, bahan peledak, hingga peralatan industrian,” ungkap Abraham di sela-sela perayaan HUT Pindad ke-34 mengusung tema ‘Membangun Pindad Incorporated Unggul’.

Lebih lanjut dia menerangkan pihaknya menyiapkan langkah khusus, sesuai arahan Presiden Jokowi, agar tidak hanya melihat pasar dalam negeri saja, namun juga melakukan ekspansi ke luar negeri. Terlebih, kata Abraham, permintaan asing terhadap senjata dan kendaraan buatan Pindad terus meningkat.

Menurutnya, selama ini produk Pindad dipakai oleh TNI sebanyak 70%, sedangkan sisanya merupakan produk industrial yang dipesan oleh asing. Dia mencontohkan misalkan saja memperluas ekspansi bisnisnya dalam produk industrial seperti pembuatan alat berat excavator. Hal itu sejalan dengan rencana pembangunan bisnis non alutsista pada 2017-2021 yang menitik beratkan pada ekspoitasi bisnis non alutsista, inovasi dengan teknologi mutakhir serta menjadi pemain global.

Dia pun menambahkan terus memantau besaran persentase dari pertumbuhan produk industrial dan hankam serta tantangan apa yang akan dihadapi oleh Pindad ke depan, khususnya dalam produk industrial. Abraham menyebutkan, jika pertumbuhannya spred the wing, hal ini tumbuh menjadi 40%. Namun bukan berarti bisnis pertahanan menjadi turun justru, tapi sebaliknya industri pertahanan juga harus naik. “Bicara (produk) industrial harus tumbuh sebesar 40-50%,” tegas Abraham.

Lebih jauh Dia menambahkan, berbicara mengenai excavator, maka hal ini menjadi pekerjaan rumah besar bagi perusahaan. Pasalnya, jangan sampai perusahaan hanya bisa membuat namun tidak bisa menjual. “Kita lakukan terobosan di industrial agar bisa menjual produk ini, apalagi di tahun ini kontrak baru sudah ada lagi sehingga mudah- mudahan bisa lebih besar lagi,” paparnya.

Sementara itu, Kepala Staf TNI AD (KSAD) Jenderal TNI Mulyono, yang turut hadir dalam acara tersebut, menuturkan, pihaknya terus meningkatkan presentase pemakaian produk Pindad. Diakuinya, produk Pindad semakin diberdayakan, lantaran sudah teruji. Hal ini salah satunya dilihat dari seringnya anggota TNI yang memenangkan kejuaraan internasional dengan memakai senjata buatan Pindad ini.

“Yang paling kami andalkan rata-rata adalah senjata ringan. Semuanya kami pakai produk Pindad. Tak hanya itu kami juga memakai tank, panser, serta ke depannya kami pun akan mengganti seluruh tank kami dengan tank medium buatan Pindad,” kata Mulyono.

Diakuinya, masih ada produk Pindad yang memang belum bisa dipakai langsung oleh TNI AD. Akan tetapi pihaknya terus berkordinasi, agar mampu mengurangi ketergantungan produk dari luar negeri.

Sindonews

 

[Nike]

QUOTE
Contracts
Press Operations
Release No: CR-082-17
April 28, 2017

Lockheed Martin, Orlando, Florida, was awarded a $332,136,017 firm-fixed-price foreign military sales (United Kingdom, Egypt, India, Korea, Republic of Indonesia, Taiwan, Netherlands, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, and Poland) contract for Modernized Target Acquisition Designation Sight/Pilot Night Vision Sensor System, subcomponent production, and technical services for the Apache attack helicopter. One bid was solicited and one bid received. Work locations and funding will be determined with each order, with an estimated completion date of April 30, 2018. U.S. Army Contracting Command, Rock Island Arsenal, Illinois, is the contracting activity (W52P1J-17-D-0043).


https://www.defense.gov/News/Contracts/Cont...ticle/1167080//

 

[Star Bugs]

Rafale is not a fifth gen...
As of today only one 5th gen is available for few countries "F-35"... And Indonesia will mostly not have it.
So as for Today having a 4-4.5gen aircraft is important, and the rafale is doing the job well. ( since why funding a 4.5gen aircraft for a "maybe" 18 years later...when it's available today)
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There's a confusion here between rafale and KFX issue. Your question was why we chose Su-35 instead of rafale. You suggested Rafale based on commonality with our neighbour. The decision is not always technical and one of those reasons is that we don't do 'all-western-block' sourcing for our military equipments based on our own undesirable experience in the past. That's why our military equipments are a mix of several 'blocks'. Procuring military equipments based on commonality with your neighbour sounds strange to me although it does happen. Does your country do that? Buy the same thing what the Greeks are buying? Buy the same thing what the Iraqis are buying? Just for the sake of commonality?

As for the KFX, today, that role if being filled by our existing F-16 block 52. So, there is no point suggesting rafale right? Because F-16s are already there now. How about 18 years later when those F-16s have to retire? What do you suggest? What fifth gen of the same size as KFX is on the drawing board and available 18 years from now?

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Happy 34th Anniversary for PT.Pindad

 

[HannibalBarca]

There's a confusion here between rafale and KFX issue. Your question was why we chose Su-35 instead of rafale. You suggested Rafale based on commonality with our neighbour. The decision is not always technical and one of those reasons is that we don't do 'all-western-block' sourcing for our military equipments based on our own undesirable experience in the past. That's why our military equipments are a mix of several 'blocks'. Procuring military equipments based on commonality with your neighbour sounds strange to me although it does happen. Does your country do that? Buy the same thing what the Greeks are buying? Buy the same thing what the Iraqis are buying? Just for the sake of commonality?

As for the KFX, today, that role if being filled by our existing F-16 block 52. So, there is no point suggesting rafale right? Because F-16s are already there now. How about 18 years later when those F-16s have to retire? What do you suggest? What fifth gen of the same size as KFX is on the drawing board and available 18 years from now?

In 18 years a 5th gen one in the size of a KFX... well not much... only one tbh who can be available for sell on the market...the FC-31. ( and This one will be available in few years.)

As for Rafale and F-16... Well F-16 can do the job...but the Rafale can do it better ( an almost perfect balance btw a F-16 and Su-35) and it's a younger platform with incoming upgrade packs ( and already complet package with AESA etc...) while F-16 is at his end.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

At PT. Palindo Marine Shipyard, new navigation services vessels almost ready. KN Zetius, KN Edam, KN Berhala

These 2 from PT. Citra Shipyard, KN Masalembo & KN Nipah, same type

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[pr1v4t33r]

Senapan mesin multi laras di tangan seorang prajurit Korpaskhas TNI AU

Lebih baik mandi lumpur dalam latihan daripada mandi darah dalam medan tempur

Sat Bravo 90 Paskhas TNI AU

 

[Svantana]

Kostrad body contest

 

[HannibalBarca]

Kostrad body contest

N°15 Face is enough on the battlefield to scare the enemies...

 

[Nike]

Patrol ships seize five Vietnamese-flagged fishing vessels
Jumat, 28 April 2017 23:26 WIB - 0 Views

Jakarta (ANTARA News) - A patrol ship of the Ministry of Fisheries and Maritime Affairs (KKP) has seized five Vietnamese-flagged boats for allegedly fishing illegally in Indonesian waters.

"The KKP has once again showed success in protecting the countrys sovereignty and fisheries and marine resources," the Secretary of the Ministrys Directorate General of Fisheries and Marine Resources Supervision, Waliyo Abutohir, said in a press statement received here on Friday.

He said the foreign vessels were caught in the Indonesia Exclusive Economic Zone around the South China Sea on April 21.

The ships are identified as KM. TG 94196 TS, TG 91917 TS, KM. TG 90869 TS, KM. TG 92367 TS and KM. TG 92512 TS.

A total of 31 crew members, who are all Vietnamese citizens, have been arrested following the operation and arrived in Pontianak on Thursday.

"They will be legally processed," Waliyo said.

From January till the end of April this year, KKP has seized up to 68 ships for illegally fishing in the countrys waters.

KKP Minister Susi Pudjiastuti revealed during a visit to Japan recently that Indonesia would adopt Japans radar surveillance technology to monitor the countrys fishery and maritime sector.

"I was in Wakatobi some days ago and saw a Japanese-made radar there. I hope Indonesia can have more of them to be placed minimally in four locations in Indonesia," she said.

Susi further said she had expressed an interest in the Japanese technology when she met with the President Director of Japan Radio Co (JRC), Kenji Ara, on April 12.

On the occasion, Kenji said JRC has six representative companies in Indonesia employing 3,200 Indonesia workers.

"We are glad to hear that the minister is interested in the JRC monitoring system. We will be happy discussing it and contributing to the Indonesian radar system. Perhaps, it will be later," he said.

Minister Susi said Indonesia needs radars to improve KKPs surveillance technology to make prevention of illegal fishing boats more optimal.

She added that she was interested in the JRC radar because it could detect foreign ships entering the countrys waters within a radius of up to 150 kilometers.

"The Indonesian government is exploring the latest surveillance technology that may be used in Indonesia." (*)
Editor: Heru

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