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India’s tough line with Pakistan

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In hindsight, the proposed talks between the National Security Advisers (NSAs) of India and Pakistan were doomed even before the ink had dried on the declaration signed between the two countries at Ufa on 10 July. The talks, scheduled to be held on Monday in New Delhi, were called off on Saturday after a barrage of acrimonious words were exchanged between Pakistani NSA Sartaj Aziz and minister for external affairs Sushma Swaraj.

Technically, it was Pakistan’s “expansion” of the agenda for the talks—well beyond what had been agreed upon at Ufa—that killed the talks. Islamabad wanted its NSA to meet leaders of the secessionist All-Parties Hurriyat Conference before meeting NSA Ajit Doval. In addition, it wanted to discuss Jammu and Kashmir at the meeting. Both were unacceptable to India and in spite of repeated entreaties not to do so, Pakistan persisted and that spelled the end of the talks.

The Ufa declaration was a breakthrough in an important way. A reading of the declaration shows that India agreed to resume the so-called composite dialogue that was started in the late 1990s, which includes a discussion of Jammu and Kashmir. But as in any structured diplomatic engagement, the process was sequenced. First in line were talks between the NSAs, which were to be followed by those between paramilitary officials and then discussions between the two directors general of military operations. Pakistan wanted to telescope the entire process and insisted on discussing Jammu and Kashmir along with terrorism at the NSAs’ meet. In the process, it got nothing and short-circuited the composite dialogue that it has wanted to revive for many years now.

Much has been made of India’s “petulance” in not letting Pakistan’s representative talk to the Hurriyat. It is also claimed that by giving so much prominence to the Hurriyat, the government has almost pulled it out of its grave, politically that is. Both assertions are incorrect and misread the political situation in India and particularly in Jammu and Kashmir.

The Hurriyat today is a pale shadow of what it was in the days of Robin Raphael, the American diplomat who did so much to encourage its formation in the early 1990s. India found itself on a politically difficult wicket in those years. Under immense pressure at home and abroad, the P.V. Narasimha Rao government had to tolerate much against its wishes.

The Hurriyat—a disparate gathering of 26 political parties—remained a cohesive political outfit as long as external support—American and Pakistani—was available. The moment that began to dry up, its contradictions began to emerge. This was always the case, but the differences became clearly visible since 2000, roughly the time India began the process of political normalization in the state.

Today, 15 years later, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) is a coalition partner in the government of Jammu and Kashmir. The Congress was a partner of the previous government, which was led by the National Conference (NC). On an earlier occasion, the NC was aligned with the BJP as well. For all its problems, normal politics is well entrenched in the valley. The Hurriyat—for all its capabilities to call strikes—is a mere husk of what it was once.

India’s so-called red line to Pakistan—not letting the Hurriyat have any role in discussions with Pakistan—is only a reflection of this political reality. This is something very hard for Pakistan to accept. The usual course for Pakistan when it comes to dealing with anything uncomfortable with India—from terrorists to the Hurriyat—is denial. That was obvious on Saturday in Aziz’s bitter words.

What should India do now? It is clear that the road to peace with Pakistan has to involve talks. Swaraj said that clearly on Saturday when she used the metaphor of a potholed road on which the two countries have to travel.

That, however, does not mean a rush to restart talks again. That will be pointless and will further embolden Pakistan’s unrealistic expectations. The path to sustainable talks and a positive end-goal—peace—requires immense patience on India’s part. One part of patience has to be ignoring Pakistan, as long as it does not see sense.
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Kashmir is just a pretence... if its not kashmir, it would have been something else... India is comming to terms with this.
I hope India takes a different approach and create a situation where we sre dealing with Sindh, balauchistan directly, like east pakistan
 
Where's the tough line in this? Refusal to talk on Kashmir or the political normalization?
 
all this talk walk is BS... neither of the party is interested in peace.
 
The Hurriyat today is a pale shadow of what it was in the days of Robin Raphael

How is Robin Raphael these days? Last i heard she had a wee bit of trouble with FBI agents landing on her doorsteps. Word Treason was also whispered

@MilSpec
 
The talks are useless if there are pre conditions set by india.

besides BJP government is too immature to talk with anyway.

so yes maybe in modi second term
 
Kashmir is just a pretence... if its not kashmir, it would have been something else... India is comming to terms with this.
I hope India takes a different approach and create a situation where we sre dealing with Sindh, balauchistan directly, like east pakistan

Exactly! Pakistanis try to convince the gullible that if Kashmir is given to them (on a platter), there would be rivers of milk and honey flowing from Pakistan to India! But the reality is even if it was not Kashmir, 'Islamic' Pakistan would find something else to needle a 'Hindu' India.

Even their so called mainstream 'analysts' also can't hide their true intentions when they talk about Ghazwa-e-Hind on mainstream media calling for the 'believers' to pursue it as a religious duty!
 
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The talks are useless if there are pre conditions set by india.

besides BJP government is too immature to talk with anyway.

so yes maybe in modi second term

Pakistan democracy itself is most immature after so many years of military rule.
 
all this talk walk is BS... neither of the party is interested in peace.


India interested in peace but only on our terms .PA dont interested in peace because that will finish the unlimited supply on cash in to their corporate wallet.

The talks are useless if there are pre conditions set by india.

besides BJP government is too immature to talk with anyway.

so yes maybe in modi second term
Where's the tough line in this? Refusal to talk on Kashmir or the political normalization?

Read the OP carefully.
During 1990s Hurriyat was a major player.But now things are changed.They are just a shadow.
This is what some Indian members explained in PDF.
Present GoI policy is just implementing just 'take it ' or ' leave it' .For them relation with Pakistan is not a priority.
You dont have any influence in this nation like trade and commerce field.
You dont have anything to offer us .Why should we care about your nation?
 
India interested in peace but only on our terms .PA dont interested in peace because that will finish the unlimited supply on cash in to their corporate wallet.




Read the OP carefully.
During 1990s Hurriyat was a major player.But now things are changed.They are just a shadow.
This is what some Indian members explained in PDF.
Present GoI policy is just implementing just 'take it ' or ' leave it' .For them relation with Pakistan is not a priority.
You dont have any influence in this nation like trade and commerce field.
You dont have anything to offer us .Why should we care about your nation?

well sadly this is your bharaaat rakshaaak view.

however, gas from central asia and trade with afghanistan is possible only through us.

we are the door for you to central asia. But currently indian politicans are short sighted and egoistic and want to sit behind closed door it is their call.

If Europe had such an attitude it would have been fragmented however, they were not short sighted and agreed to move forward together and even carry greece along with them. even though all greece did was keep pulling them back.
 
well sadly this is your bharaaat rakshaaak view.

however, gas from central asia and trade with afghanistan is possible only through us.

we are the door for you to central asia. But currently indian politicans are short sighted and egoistic and want to sit behind closed door it is their call.

If Europe had such an attitude it would have been fragmented however, they were not short sighted and agreed to move forward together and even carry greece along with them. even though all greece did was keep pulling them back.


Well we didnt see this much of enthusiasm from you when that pacifist Manmohan Singh was in rule.He offered full fludged peace talks .Where are you at that time ?
All we Indians could see at that time was the exploitation of soft corner of Singh by Pakistan.
You cant expect any such concession from current rule.In fact future Congress under Rahul will also follow these policy.
They are new gen and your nation is not priority in their foreign policy .Older gen of Singh was your last chance.
You cant compare fully democratic EU with partial democratic South Asia.
 
No talks with India at any level and not just NSA level. Enough of this bullsh!t. Waste of time and money.
 
Clock is ticking away ...the more they delay more its loss to Pakistan..
Game is going to worsen only if solutions are not talked and agreed upon at earliest.

No talks with India at any level and not just NSA level. Enough of this bullsh!t. Waste of time and money.

Talks with you harboured terrorists have not solved the issue last few decades, rather it has made matter worse.
Better use the brains before its too late ...
 
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