India’s S-400 Air Defence and balance of power in South Asia

[The Eagle]

Upgrade all the F16s with V Standard. Get JF 17 Block 3 with AESA. Use LK601E on block 1s and 2s. Get Turkish Koral Jamming system. Ask China to make HQ9C as lethal as S400 and get them

What about some surprise but not from air if it comes to take out S400? Surprise package will always be ready. Every side works hard in regard to rivals weaknesses & strength to exploit when needed. As the day passes, tri services are synchronizing more & more effectively than before for coordinated yet punishing strategies.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

What about some surprise but not from air if it comes to take out S400? Surprise package will always be ready. Every side works hard in regard to rivals weaknesses & strength to exploit when needed. As the day passes, tri services are synchronizing more & more effectively than before for coordinated yet punishing strategies.

We have Low flying Babur 2 which can hide due to terrian and take out that S400 stationed at Srinigar AFB

 

[Smarana Mitra]

Just answer one question, why PAF had enough confidence on its old mirages that they sent them across LOC?? Where they match in terms of Air to air combat with IAF mirages or Su-30MKIs??

Did PAF have any other choice? How do you expect PAF to at least show some resilience against a formidable IAF if it does not have enough planes? Just like India used MiG21, PAF used Mirages.

We have Low flying Babur 2 which can hide due to terrian and take out that S400 stationed at Srinigar AFB

Babur can't fly too low as terrain mapping is never exact and in mountainous areas, it will be impossible to evade mountains if flying too low.

 

[Basel]

Did PAF have any other choice? How do you expect PAF to at least show some resilience against a formidable IAF if it does not have enough planes? Just like India used MiG21, PAF used Mirages.


Babur can't fly too low as terrain mapping is never exact and in mountainous areas, it will be impossible to evade mountains if flying too low.

Nope its not like that, PAF had option to use JFTs or Mirages with SOWs (not crossing LOC) but PAF sent a clear message to India they sent non ROSE mirages across LOC to show what we can do.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Nope its not like that, PAF had option to use JFTs or Mirages with SOWs (not crossing LOC) but PAF sent a clear message to India they sent non ROSE mirages across LOC to show what we can do.

Also Block 52s were not used

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Kindly mind your language, I have seen things which you will never be allowed to go close too so keep you keyboard warrior expertise to your self and Pakistan military is not going to match India System to system its about creating deterrence against capabilities of enemy.

Did I ever mentioned about IAF mirages?? First of all you even don't know the role what PAF Mirages have and what punch they can deliver.

Just answer one question, why PAF had enough confidence on its old mirages that they sent them across LOC?? Where they match in terms of Air to air combat with IAF mirages or Su-30MKIs??

You are just being emotional.
PAF fighters are not par with IAF let alone superior. Its just PAF training and tactics that are superior to IAF who was caught pants down. THATS IT!

 

[Basel]

You are just being emotional.
PAF fighters are not par with IAF let alone superior. Its just PAF training and tactics that are superior to IAF who was caught pants down. THATS IT!

I m not emotional, here many fanboys don't understand that in modern warfare you don't have to match your enemy plane to plane, instead its about matching / countering its capability as whole and that is what Pakistani military do

You are just being emotional.
PAF fighters are not par with IAF let alone superior. Its just PAF training and tactics that are superior to IAF who was caught pants down. THATS IT!

Why PAF was able to shoot down Su-30MKI which is far superior to F-16 block-52??

Pakistani military will keep balance in terms of overall fighting capabilities of the enemy.

Why India didn't use their mighty Brahmos which could have inflicted damage on Pakistani side??

 

[Myth_buster_1]

I m not emotional, here many fanboys don't understand that in modern warfare you don't have to match your enemy plane to plane, instead its about matching / countering its capability as whole and that is what Pakistani military do

I think its simply your lack of comprehension that is making you go around in circle.

Why PAF was able to shoot down Su-30MKI which is far superior to F-16 block-52??

Pakistani military will keep balance in terms of overall fighting capabilities of the enemy.

PAF was able to surprise IAF by overwhelming it with what ever best it had and by the time IAF was able to react the damage was already done. Had their been equally number of Su-30s as F-16s then things would have been different. also in event of full scale war where Indian military will have its latest systems pointed towards Pakistan it wont be a one sided event in our favor like on 27th feb.
India can beat Pakistan in a long conventional war because of its numerical and technical advantage it has over Pakistan, however in short war or skirmish Pakistan has a an edge.
The only reason why Pakistan air force is better trained is because of its foundation which was built by British and American air force but now things are changing because IAF has access to French, Russian, Israli, American latest technologies, training and tactics which is a game changer. In next decade Indian military power is going to double and because of Pakistan's poor economy we will struggle to even match a fraction of their technology.

Why India didn't use their mighty Brahmos which could have inflicted damage on Pakistani side??

Because that will be an act of war... duhhh!!

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

India System to system its about creating deterrence against capabilities of enemy.

How will we deter the S400?

In next decade Indian military power is going to double and because of Pakistan's poor economy we will struggle to even match

Unfortunately it looks like it. Take the eg of our Airforce. India is set to take SU 30MKIs numbers to 272. They are getting surplus Mig29UPGs They are getting Tejas MK1A. They arw getting Rafale. We on the other hand are only getting handful of Thunders year by year. India will probably replace their Mig21 Bisons and Jaguars earlier than Pakistan replacing its F7s and Mirages

 

[Myth_buster_1]

How will we deter the S400?


Unfortunately it looks like it. Take the eg of our Airforce. India is set to take SU 30MKIs numbers to 272. They are getting surplus Mig29UPGs They are getting Tejas MK1A. They arw getting Rafale. We on the other hand are only getting handful of Thunders year by year. India will probably replace their Mig21 Bisons and Jaguars earlier than Pakistan replacing its F7s and Mirages

Pakistan needs to ask China to build ground based jamming system that should be more powerful then onboard any 4.5 gen fighters and super long range SAMs.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Pakistan needs to ask China to build ground based jamming system that should be more powerful then onboard any 4.5 gen fighters and super long range SAMs.

What about Turkish Koral System?

 

[Basel]

How will we deter the S400?


Unfortunately it looks like it. Take the eg of our Airforce. India is set to take SU 30MKIs numbers to 272. They are getting surplus Mig29UPGs They are getting Tejas MK1A. They arw getting Rafale. We on the other hand are only getting handful of Thunders year by year. India will probably replace their Mig21 Bisons and Jaguars earlier than Pakistan replacing its F7s and Mirages

JV with China or any other country like South Africa to develop a SAM like Arrow-3 and GBL to tackle enemy launched all type of airborne threats.

Pakistan needs to ask China to build ground based jamming system that should be more powerful then onboard any 4.5 gen fighters and super long range SAMs.

There are things which we may never know or will came to know when needed.

Work in right direction (although slow) is going on and military know and understood the threat it have to face.

 

[PakFactor]

How will we deter the S400?


Unfortunately it looks like it. Take the eg of our Airforce. India is set to take SU 30MKIs numbers to 272. They are getting surplus Mig29UPGs They are getting Tejas MK1A. They arw getting Rafale. We on the other hand are only getting handful of Thunders year by year. India will probably replace their Mig21 Bisons and Jaguars earlier than Pakistan replacing its F7s and Mirages

@Syed Hammad Ahmed

Countering S-400 is difficult but not impossible. I would predict PAF would keep air engagements within Pak Air Space to bleed the Indians using ground based assets and ACs. Mostly likely deploy SOWs and CMs to knock out AD systems on the Indian side. The key will be if PAF quickly does it in the first few days of the conflict with reliable intelligence and satellite imagery (possibly with Chinese help). Basically, who ever attacks 1st will have the upper hand if we act as pacifists we would lose big.

After thinking about it, PAF should create a dedicated team attached to the Air Force and responds directly to the Air Marshall (on set of war):
This teams sole role would be to:

- Analyze Intelligence & Satellite Imagery
- Command over CMs (separate from Army, Navy & Air Force)
- 1 (or 2) Squadrons of ACs to Deploy SOWs

Once targets are identified report to Air Marshall who'll have sole the authority to authorize the attack to destroy those assets. Leaving the rest of the Air Force to solely do what it does best engage IAF and IA without being burdened with SEAD Missions.

However, the other main concern would be restructuring our Chain of Command along the lines of IDF because from my experience, I haven't seen any other model that works as well as it does. It's structure of command allows a decision maker to use all assets and tools available to complete a singular objective effectively. Our Command I haven't seen change much whereas the Army, Air Force and Navy do their own thing.

 

[Ultima Thule]

How will we d

We have different options for deter S-400 like harpy like suicide UAV, CM and we can buy guided long range Chinese MLRS with range of 400 km (WS-2B/C/D) Jamming etc etc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weishi_Rockets#WS-2B

 

[Old School]

I still would like to see how S-400 fares against a formidable air supremacy fighter jets squadron in a real battle scenario.