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India's greatest gifts to China : Kung Fu and Zen Buddhism

It was the buddist monks who developed kung fu to defend from robbers. They used normal tools of daily life for this purpose and that is how kung fu was developed.

I think you should look into Huangdi and jueli,jiaoli,Jiao Di.

Bodhidharma went to china to teach there but the monks feared a foreigner, so they refused to admit him but they were impressed by his lotus meditation posture and accepted him.He taught them yoga and some other excercises. Yes it's true that he influenced kung fu but if you look at Kung Fu routines, and Indian martial arts routines they are completely and totally different.Some of the things he taught still survive till today.The concepts of Wushu were fully developed by Qing and Ming dynasties.

Kalaripayattu is the oldest indian martial arts.
 
The Number system,world uses today was also exported from India.Now stop bullshitting mega troll!

I consider Yoga as the gift from India along with the numerical system to the world and again many will debate about it here just for the sake of it. :lol:
 
Really your birthplace decided who you are ? Absolutely incorrect.

By your measure India's PM would be Pakistani since he was born there and Pakistan's ex PM would be Indian since he was born here. This logic doesn't exist.
Do you have amnesia? It was you who said Siddhartha was born in Nepal but Buddha was born in India. So now you changing your logic of reasoning because I refuted you with Gandhi as an example. Do you have any credibility left?


2. About, China existing as a nation since 220 BC -
Territories_of_Dynasties_in_China.gif
Yeah I can see that
Why are you showing me a map?
1) Size of territory changes thru out history, but the concept of one country does NOT changed. It's called the Mandate of Heaven. There's only one emperor that ruled the land. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_of_Heaven

2) The map is totally inaccurate, LOL.


3. India was united under one kingdom at least 4 times in history. - Mauryan Empire , Tughlaq dynasty, Mughal Empire and British empire.

LOL, how oxymoronic can you get? If you were one kingdom, you wouldn't need to be re-united 4 times. You would be ONE kingdom throughout your history :omghaha: :omghaha: :rofl:


In fact if you look at the map of China as I posted , China as a country was created and unified only in 1949.
China was unified under one emperor in 220 BC, the last emperor abdicated the throne in 1911 and new republic was formed. 1949 was when CCP came to power. There is a clear and distinct lineage. Learn some history before you speak. :coffee:
 
Chinese may have martial arts before Indian monks traveled as every nation does. But if you consider Shaolin Kung fu please go through the below article.

Indian martial art Kalaryapattu is much older art not from 11 or 12 th century AD

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The origin of Shaolin Kung Fu is generally credited to an Indian monk named Tat Moh, who is also sometimes known as Boddhidharma. He began life as a prince in Southern India, but became a devoted Buddhist, renouncing his royal heritage to take up the simple lifestyle of a monk. He traveled widely, spreading the teachings of Buddhism. Eventually he rose to become the 28th patriarch of India.

In those days, it was common for Indian monks to travel to China where their Buddhist teachings were eagerly received. In the year 520 A.D. Tat Moh made just such a journey, right through India and China, finally settling at the monastery called Shao Lin - which means 'little forest'. He was disappointed, however, to find the monks very weak and unable to withstand the austere ways of Buddhism - a life which often consisted of long fasts and frugal living.

Tat Moh therefore retired into a cave and meditated in isolation in order to find a solution to the problem. When he emerged after nine years of hard study, he had devised a set of exercises for the monks. These were similar to some Indian exercises such as yoga and were intended to regulate and strengthen the monks' chi flow. Their intention was to strengthen the monks and increase their health and vitality; and this they did, so successfully that Tat Moh's Chi Kung exercises are still practiced to this day. They form the basis of the Shaolin Arts.

It seems that in China there was more than one temple named 'Shaolin'. In this history we will discuss only the Shaolin temple in Fukien Province, since ours is a Fukienese art.

In the history of China there was much lawlessness. Bandits and villains were widespread. Temples were vulnerable to attack, as were monks who traveled the country teaching the ways of Buddhism. So as to protect themselves, the monks developed a system of fighting based on the exercises taught by the founder master - Tat Moh.

Buddhist monks are very gentle and good natured. Their fighting system was developed only to defend themselves against harm. This system was called the 'Lohon' style after the monks in the temple (Lohons) who developed it. The Lohon style is a very basic form of Kung Fu which emphasizes low stances and strong body posture. It proved very successful.

The monks of the Shaolin temple practiced diligently to increase their martial arts skills and were constantly striving to improve their art. A great step forward came with the evolution of the third Shaolin style, called the Tiger style - Tai Chor in Chinese. This was developed by a Chinese emperor, who had relinquished his royal position to adopt the austere ways of Buddhism. He finally settled at the Shaolin temple where he studied deeply in the martial arts, eventually developing the Tai Chor style. For this reason, Tai Chor is sometimes also known as the emperor's style. Tai Chor uses the strong but mobile stance which we use in the Tiger-Crane combination, and which we call the 'walking stance'. It also emphasizes a very strong twisting punch. In fact, the straight punch which ends with a twist of the fist has become a hallmark of Shaolin Kung Fu. The Tai Chor style develops great power and was, therefore, able to defeat the Lohon style which it superseded.

No style is unbeatable. Every move has a counter. Inevitably, another style was later developed which could counter the Tiger style. This was the monkey style, known in Chinese as Tai Sheng. Monkey is a very fast, deceptive style. The monkey tends to close in on his opponent, strike and retreat all in one rapid sequence. Hence, the powerful Tiger may be unable to hit his tricky, constantly moving opponent. If the monkey misses with a strike, he will still move away from his opponent so as not to allow them the chance to counter him. The monkey's strikes are accurate, more than powerful and are delivered with fingers or the open palm. Grabbing is also a favorite monkey technique. The monkey likes to crouch and often attacks the lower body. He especially favours targeting the groin. For male opponents this can result in serious loss!

Because the monkey style consists of much crouching and rolling, it is best suited to people who are short. It is often considered one of the most entertaining styles to watch.

How can the techniques of the monkey possibly be countered? The answer is by the techniques of the white crane! The white crane style was the last and most technically advanced style to be developed in the Fukien Shaolin Temple. Even to this day, the crane style is regarded with great respect and is shrouded in secrecy by its masters. Hence it has been one of the last Kung Fu styles which the Chinese have 'let go' to westerners.

What is this devastating secret possessed by the white crane? The crane sticks. As soon as the crane is attacked it establishes touch contact. If its opponent tries to land the attack, the crane deflects it: if the opponent withdraws, the crane follows; never releasing its touch until it finds a certain opportunity to strike - which it does with no mercy. What use the tricky techniques of the monkey? As he tries to dart away the crane will follow, sticking to him until the chance presents itself to strike. The white crane style represents the pinnacle of the Shaolin martial arts.


The Origins of Shaolin Kung Fu


I think you should look into Huangdi and jueli,jiaoli,Jiao Di.

Bodhidharma went to china to teach there but the monks feared a foreigner, so they refused to admit him but they were impressed by his lotus meditation posture and accepted him.He taught them yoga and some other excercises. Yes it's true that he influenced kung fu but if you look at Kung Fu routines, and Indian martial arts routines they are completely and totally different.Some of the things he taught still survive till today.The concepts of Wushu were fully developed by Qing and Ming dynasties.

Kalaripayattu is the oldest indian martial arts.
 
Chinese may have martial arts before Indian monks traveled as every nation does. But if you consider Shaolin Kung fu please go through the below article.

Indian martial art Kalaryapattu is much older art not from 11 or 12 th century AD

origins-shaolin-kung-fu.gif


The origin of Shaolin Kung Fu is generally credited to an Indian monk named Tat Moh, who is also sometimes known as Boddhidharma. He began life as a prince in Southern India, but became a devoted Buddhist, renouncing his royal heritage to take up the simple lifestyle of a monk. He traveled widely, spreading the teachings of Buddhism. Eventually he rose to become the 28th patriarch of India.

In those days, it was common for Indian monks to travel to China where their Buddhist teachings were eagerly received. In the year 520 A.D. Tat Moh made just such a journey, right through India and China, finally settling at the monastery called Shao Lin - which means 'little forest'. He was disappointed, however, to find the monks very weak and unable to withstand the austere ways of Buddhism - a life which often consisted of long fasts and frugal living.

Tat Moh therefore retired into a cave and meditated in isolation in order to find a solution to the problem. When he emerged after nine years of hard study, he had devised a set of exercises for the monks. These were similar to some Indian exercises such as yoga and were intended to regulate and strengthen the monks' chi flow. Their intention was to strengthen the monks and increase their health and vitality; and this they did, so successfully that Tat Moh's Chi Kung exercises are still practiced to this day. They form the basis of the Shaolin Arts.

It seems that in China there was more than one temple named 'Shaolin'. In this history we will discuss only the Shaolin temple in Fukien Province, since ours is a Fukienese art.

In the history of China there was much lawlessness. Bandits and villains were widespread. Temples were vulnerable to attack, as were monks who traveled the country teaching the ways of Buddhism. So as to protect themselves, the monks developed a system of fighting based on the exercises taught by the founder master - Tat Moh.

Buddhist monks are very gentle and good natured. Their fighting system was developed only to defend themselves against harm. This system was called the 'Lohon' style after the monks in the temple (Lohons) who developed it. The Lohon style is a very basic form of Kung Fu which emphasizes low stances and strong body posture. It proved very successful.

The monks of the Shaolin temple practiced diligently to increase their martial arts skills and were constantly striving to improve their art. A great step forward came with the evolution of the third Shaolin style, called the Tiger style - Tai Chor in Chinese. This was developed by a Chinese emperor, who had relinquished his royal position to adopt the austere ways of Buddhism. He finally settled at the Shaolin temple where he studied deeply in the martial arts, eventually developing the Tai Chor style. For this reason, Tai Chor is sometimes also known as the emperor's style. Tai Chor uses the strong but mobile stance which we use in the Tiger-Crane combination, and which we call the 'walking stance'. It also emphasizes a very strong twisting punch. In fact, the straight punch which ends with a twist of the fist has become a hallmark of Shaolin Kung Fu. The Tai Chor style develops great power and was, therefore, able to defeat the Lohon style which it superseded.

No style is unbeatable. Every move has a counter. Inevitably, another style was later developed which could counter the Tiger style. This was the monkey style, known in Chinese as Tai Sheng. Monkey is a very fast, deceptive style. The monkey tends to close in on his opponent, strike and retreat all in one rapid sequence. Hence, the powerful Tiger may be unable to hit his tricky, constantly moving opponent. If the monkey misses with a strike, he will still move away from his opponent so as not to allow them the chance to counter him. The monkey's strikes are accurate, more than powerful and are delivered with fingers or the open palm. Grabbing is also a favorite monkey technique. The monkey likes to crouch and often attacks the lower body. He especially favours targeting the groin. For male opponents this can result in serious loss!

Because the monkey style consists of much crouching and rolling, it is best suited to people who are short. It is often considered one of the most entertaining styles to watch.

How can the techniques of the monkey possibly be countered? The answer is by the techniques of the white crane! The white crane style was the last and most technically advanced style to be developed in the Fukien Shaolin Temple. Even to this day, the crane style is regarded with great respect and is shrouded in secrecy by its masters. Hence it has been one of the last Kung Fu styles which the Chinese have 'let go' to westerners.

What is this devastating secret possessed by the white crane? The crane sticks. As soon as the crane is attacked it establishes touch contact. If its opponent tries to land the attack, the crane deflects it: if the opponent withdraws, the crane follows; never releasing its touch until it finds a certain opportunity to strike - which it does with no mercy. What use the tricky techniques of the monkey? As he tries to dart away the crane will follow, sticking to him until the chance presents itself to strike. The white crane style represents the pinnacle of the Shaolin martial arts.


The Origins of Shaolin Kung Fu

Have some IQ with some academic thinking.
All these articles are based legend and myth, not real history. Do you even know the difference???????
The same legend also said that Boddhidharma mediated inside a cave for 9 years without stepping out. LOL, how do one survive without food for 9 years, :omghaha: :omghaha:

I have pointed out to you that kalari was invented 500-600 years later after Bodhiarma went to China in 600 AD. Can you count? So How can Shaolin kung Fu came from Kalari when it was not even invented???????

There's always been a martial arts traditional in China before Buddha was born. Now tell me were there fighting monks in the subcontinent? Do you see any record of it in Taxila or Nalanda????????? NONE. Shaolin Kung Fu are Chinese!!!!!!!!!!

Stop stealing others culture, have some shame!!
 
India had almost or more than 600 kingdoms or states so much for a unified India...lol
 
Neither one is correct.

Kung Fu existed in China thousands of years before Bodhidharma (who was known as the "The Blue-Eyed Barbarian") arrived.

And Shaolin is just one school of Martial Arts, nowhere close to being the first.

As for Buddhism, the Buddha was born in Nepal, thousands of years before any country called India existed.

he attained enlightenment in India. kung Fu as we know it today heavily evolved from kalari.

India had almost or more than 600 kingdoms or states so much for a unified India...lol

It was the same civilization. Why do you think Nepal calls itself a Hindu nation?

There is no such thing as India.

Buddhism came from Nepal. Nepal is not India.

India is not India.

India is merely a geographic location - Winston Chirchill.

You don't have anything to compete with us so you make up lies :lol:

Nepal was/is a part of Indian civilization- state is a political concept, not a civilizational one.
 
These stories may be legends, But Chinese kung fu flourished because of Buddhist monks and there is no denial in this point.

And Buddhism is from India. So the origins of Shaoilin are from India.

Just read what you have pointed You have no idea what you have pointed.

Have some IQ and academic thinking.
All this articles are based legend and myth, not real history. Do you even know the difference???????
The same legend also said that Boddhidharma mediated inside a cave for 9 years without stepping out. LOL, how do one survive without food for 9 years, :omghaha: :omghaha:

I have pointed out to you that kalari was invented 600 years after Bodhiarma went to China in 600 AD. Can you count? So how can Shaolin kung came from Boddhiarma ???????????

There's always been a martial arts traditional in China before Buddha was born. Now tell me were there fighting monks in the subcontinent? Do you see any record of it in Taxila or Nalanda?????????
 
Indians invented something which doesnt even sound indian- pitty the self praising indians at it again-
 
Can Indians live without China nowadays? Can Indians understand the phrase Gongfu in Chinese? It looks that Indians are screwed one way or another...
 

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