India's government hints at national ban on cow slaughter

[Infinity]

already said about it.But directive principle is already in Constitution.NDA govt is just implementing it .

Its a States matter...................NDA Government cannot bring a blanket Ban

 

[Bang Galore]

Clearly a philosophy reserved for superior Humans in your view ?

But in this case its Dharma that extend to the cows. A part of "Raj dharma" which seculars are keen to quote Vajpayee on.

"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money to spend." - Margaret Thatcher

 

[SrNair]

For how long ,that is the real question in here.
Once I had also these beef eating behaviour.But not any more .I wont consume beef even in future.

I am totallyfed up withthese minority appeasement policy of Kerala political parties.And these policy is causing the rise of Hindu extreme in our state.
And Hindus that rejecting Beef is also increasing .Dont know about the future.

So you mean to say Hindus in Kerala want a Ban.....................But what i feel is that more than 70% Hindus in Kerala Consume Beef & Cow.................

Keralites hold beef eating fest to protest ban
In Kerala, a Beef-Eating Fest to Protest Against Beef Ban
CPM is a Party Hated by Both Christians & Muslims of Kerala....................... If Beef is consumed only by Christians & Muslims............How is that Beef is so costly in Central Travancore............The consumption of beef in Kerala has no religious overtones and it is considered as the most favored meat in the state

 

[uparyupari]

"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money to spend." - Margaret Thatcher

Sadly the preamble to our Constitution says India is a "sovereign socialist secular democratic republic". Maybe because Margaret Thatcher did not write it.

 

[Bang Galore]

I think that was a different situation man. The directive principle was not based on releious ideas but the fact that India was a milk impoverished nation. Now we're the biggest milk producer in the world and this move is definitely not for protecting 'milch cattle' for milk. It is for a religious reason.

Pointed that out but the best place to challenge such laws is in the courts and they have usually upheld the right of the states ti make them. Nationwide bill is probably loose talk, can be contested if any such proposal comes up.

However, Singh did not give any assurance on moving the anti-cow slaughter bill but said every effort would be made to form a consensus.

Sadly the preamble to our Constitution says India is a "sovereign socialist secular democratic republic". Maybe because Margaret Thatcher did not write it.

True but the BJP doesn't seem to believe in the UPA's socialistic policies, now a state run by them has extended it to cows......

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Pointed that out but the best place to challenge such laws is in the courts and they have usually upheld the right of the states ti make them. Nationwide bill is probably loose talk, can be contested if any such proposal comes up.



True but the BJP doesn't seem to believe in the UPA's socialistic policies, now a state run by them has extended it to cows......

There will be an extremely determined effort- it may not work out, but there will be a massive effort.

 

[uparyupari]

Pointed that out but the best place to challenge such laws is in the courts and they have usually upheld the right of the states ti make them. Nationwide bill is probably loose talk, can be contested if any such proposal comes up.

Only they would loose in the SC,

Here is the judgement on Bal Ram Bali & Anr vs Union Of India on 24 August, 2007.

"It is not within the domain of the Court to issue a direction for ban on slaughter of cows, buffaloes and horses as it is a matter of policy on which decision has to be taken by the Government. That apart, a complete ban on slaughter of cows, buffaloes and horses, as sought in the present petition, can only be imposed by legislation enacted by the appropriate legislature. Courts cannot issue any direction to the Parliament or to the State legislature to enact a particular kind of law. This question has been considered in Union of India v. Prakash P. Hinduja & Anr. (2003) 6 SCC 195, wherein in para 30 of the reports it was held as under : "30. Under our constitutional scheme Parliament exercises sovereign power to enact laws and no outside power or authority can issue a direction to enact a particular piece of legislation. In Supreme Court Employees' Welfare Assn. v. Union of India (1989) 4 SCC 187 (para 51) it has been held that no court can direct a legislature to enact a particular law. Similarly, when an executive authority exercises a legislative power by way of a subordinate legislation pursuant to the delegated authority of a legislature, such executive authority cannot be asked to enact a law which it has been empowered to do under the delegated legislative authority. This view has been reiterated in State of J&K v. A.R. Zakki (1992) Supp. (1) SCC 548. In A.K. Roy v. Union of India (1982) 1 SCC 271 it has been held that no mandamus can be issued to enforce an Act which has been passed by the legislature..........................."

True but the BJP doesn't seem to believe in the UPA's socialistic policies, now a state run by them has extended it to cows......

Then you are mistaken. Narendra Modi has explicitly mentioned that his govt. is committed to building a "welfare state" and Ram Rajya.

How much more socialist can you get ?

There is a Supreme Court Judgement which says they find Narendra Modi a "socialist with Gandhian values".

 

[Bang Galore]

There will be an extremely determined effort- it may not work out, but there will be a massive effort.

Maybe but this is just some feel-good talk, not serious.

However, Singh did not give any assurance on moving the anti-cow slaughter bill but said every effort would be made to form a consensus.

Union Home Minister Rajnath Singh on Sunday backed the demand for a total ban on cow slaughter across the country but admitted that it would not be easy to get a law passed due to the present Parliamentary arithmetic.

 

[Infinity]

For how long ,that is the real question in here.
Once I had also these beef eating behaviour.But not any more .I wont consume that in future.

I am totallyfed up withthese minority appeasement policy of Kerala political parties.And these policy is causing the rise of Hindu extreme in our state.
And Hindus that rejecting Beef is also increasing .Dont know about the future.

I was about to ask you the same...............But why selective about Beef or Cow.....why not Goat and Chicken.........My Father too turned to Vegetarian............ But Keralities have no choice (either LDF or UDF)

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Maybe but this is just some feel-good talk, not serious.

You've missed how things have changed. There is no talk anymore. Ghar Wapsi was a very carefully planned effort to push through Anti- COnversion law, and this is the beginning of National Anti-Cow Slaughter law. Maharashtra has already paved the way, they will try to push it All India. Once one or two hindutva laws are passed the rest will be easier.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

And this particular debate is the most important need for the country now? Maybe all the corruption and poverty and a zillion other things should get priority?

Agreed. There's not much to debate. Most other directive principles are applied without issue. All parties should accept this and move on to pressing demands like unearthing more instances of congressi corruption.

 

[Bang Galore]

Only they would loose in the SC,

Here is the judgement on Bal Ram Bali & Anr vs Union Of India on 24 August, 2007.

"It is not within the domain of the Court to issue a direction for ban on slaughter of cows, buffaloes and horses as it is a matter of policy on which decision has to be taken by the Government. That apart, a complete ban on slaughter of cows, buffaloes and horses, as sought in the present petition, can only be imposed by legislation enacted by the appropriate legislature. Courts cannot issue any direction to the Parliament or to the State legislature to enact a particular kind of law. This question has been considered in Union of India v. Prakash P. Hinduja & Anr. (2003) 6 SCC 195, wherein in para 30 of the reports it was held as under : "30. Under our constitutional scheme Parliament exercises sovereign power to enact laws and no outside power or authority can issue a direction to enact a particular piece of legislation. In Supreme Court Employees' Welfare Assn. v. Union of India (1989) 4 SCC 187 (para 51) it has been held that no court can direct a legislature to enact a particular law. Similarly, when an executive authority exercises a legislative power by way of a subordinate legislation pursuant to the delegated authority of a legislature, such executive authority cannot be asked to enact a law which it has been empowered to do under the delegated legislative authority. This view has been reiterated in State of J&K v. A.R. Zakki (1992) Supp. (1) SCC 548. In A.K. Roy v. Union of India (1982) 1 SCC 271 it has been held that no mandamus can be issued to enforce an Act which has been passed by the legislature...........................".

Not sure what you are trying to say here but I did point out that the courts have upheld the right of the states to pass an anti-cow slaughter law.

Also:

"Under the distribution of legislative powers between the Union of India and States under Article 246 (3) of the Constitution, the preservation of cattle is matter on which the legislature of the states has exclusive powers to legislate," the Minister said.

Why I said if there was an attempt at a law passed in parliament, it could end up being challenged.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Agreed. There's not much to debate. Most other directive principles are applied without issue. All parties should accept this and move on to pressing demands like unearthing more instances of congressi corruption.

Unearthing more instances of BJP corruption might be more productive, we may be able to limit the amount of the loot before we boot them out.

 

[Al Bhatti]

That is a great news, now indian smugglers will push more gao mata accross the border at cheaper rates. Party I mean Bar BQ time for Pakistani's.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Unearthing more instances of BJP corruption might be more productive, we may be able to limit the amount of the loot before we boot them out.

Yes of course. Corruption is not a monopoly of the Secular parties. But booting them out and bring in the fountainhead hydra of all things shady? Stretching it a bit...