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India's Fighter Jet Negotiations Stall Over Delivery Commitments
Jun. 16, 2014 - 03:45AM |
By VIVEK RAGHUVANSHI | Comments


NEW DELHI — India’s $12 billion Medium Multi-role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) program has run into turbulence due to a disagreement over delivery commitments, according to an Indian Defence Ministry source.

The Indian Air Force has told the new government that Dassault Aviation, maker of the Rafale jet, and Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL), which will produce the aircraft in India, must put their delivery guarantees in writing before the MoD signs the contract, the MoD source said.

HAL is unwilling to give any written guarantee on the delivery schedule for the Indian-made Rafales, and instead wants Dassault to guarantee deliveries of the Indian-made aircraft, a condition the French have already rejected, the MoD source said.

The program’s request for proposal stipulates that the first 18 aircraft will be supplied by the vendor — Dassault — in fly-away condition and the remaining 108 aircraft will be manufactured — in this case, by HAL — through technology transfer. The delivery of the aircraft should begin three years after the contract is signed.

India gave Dassault “preferred bidder status” in 2012 for the $12 billion program.

The MMRCA contract negotiations have also been delayed because HAL has not finalized the cost of the India-made Rafale.

No date is available for when the final cost of the Indian-made Rafale will be provided to the MoD, according to a senior HAL official.

Signing the deal within six months is unlikely, the MoD source said.

Executives from Dassault were unavailable for comment.

MoD had set up four subcommittees in the run-up to the finalization of the MMRCA deal with Dassault. They are: Technology of Production; Offsets; Logistics; and Cost Negotiations.

While the committees on Logistics and Offsets are almost ready with their reports, the remaining two are delayed, the MoD source added.

A team from HAL representing various sections of the production department visited Dassault facilities in France last month to understand the production process as it attempts to calculate the cost of the Indian-made Rafale, the HAL official said.

The delays in finalizing the deal have not only pushed back delivery of the fighter, but also led to cost escalations of more than 30 percent, an Air Force official said.

The first request for information for the MMRCA was floated in December 2005; the request for proposals followed in August 2007.

Rafale beat the Eurofighter Typhoon only on the basis of cost, after only the two bidders were left in the field.

The F-16, F/A-18, Gripen and MiG-35 were ejected from competition after the flight trials in August 2011 and the cost was not taken into consideration. ■

Email:vraghuvanshi@defensenews.com.
 
HAL is unwilling to give any written guarantee on the delivery schedule for the Indian-made Rafales, and instead wants Dassault to guarantee deliveries of the Indian-made aircraft, a condition the French have already rejected, the MoD source said.


Wasn`t that the reason for the last stall in the negotiations?

And why should Dassault be held responsible for delays in the Indian production of the Rafale? Sure, much will depend on them once we start making them in India, but much of the responsibility will still rest on HAL.
 
I don't think this will take up the argument in any productive way ..

Problem is he is arms lobbyist mouth piece.His reports are not based on ground reports or Insider Info.Most of them are paid news articles.

He manufactures the news.

Having said that we can move on to discuss the merits and demerits of rafale deal.

Simply put Gripen will not be able to Handle Indian Conditions and is not on the same league as rafale.

The competition is about Medium fighter not Light fighter.

We dont need two light fighters one is enough.

Rafales are replacements for Mig29,jaguar etc.
 
I don't buy this news one bit. This issue raised its head LAST year and was said to have been sorted out since then, the article makes no mention of this and doesn't explain why an issue that was overcome is now raising its head again.

Secondly a few weeks ago the MoD said it was looking to sign this deal in the next 3 months now there is an unnamed (aren't they always in BS articles ?) claiming that a signing isn't likely even in the next 6 months? I don't believe a word of it.


In truth there is a LOT of BS around this whole procurement and the MoD's tight lipped policy on all things relating to procurement doesn't help matters, it only fuels the fires of speculation. From what i've heard I think we will be seeing a signature by the end of September...
 
India gave Dassault “preferred bidder status” in 2012 for the $12 billion program.


Tells you alot. As for Typhoon, that was a better bargain for the level of sharing of tech. Using costs as the sole determining factor....speaks volumes..
 
Extreme efforts from the arms lobbyists to sabotage this deal.
We cant return from this deal not any more.It will affect our relationship with France.
 
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The blame goes to HAL, how can Dassault be responsible for the delays in Indian production lines?

Yes It will be ...Just in case if Dassault fails to supply some tech of equipment on time...End of the day Dassault will be responsible too...This was the reason before Dassault wanted two separate contract to be signed....Both have to work parallel, there is no other go....This is the same MOD want to make sure with this step.
 
Just buy a couple of sqdns and get it over with - why get into such complicated agreements that takes more than 2 years and isnt even close to concluding?

The SAAB offer makes more sense now.
 
Extreme efforts from the army lobbyists to sabotage this deal.
We cant return from this deal not any more.It will affect our relationship with France.
The Army has nothing to do with this. They don't fly fighter jets. It's the Air Force! :P
 

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