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June 10, 2009

Russia, India's traditional defence partner, appears to be irritated over India's move to sign a defence pact with Ukraine. Both the countries recently exchanged a formal draft of the agreement, according to a defence ministry official.

The matter was raised informally by Russia during a recent visit of an Indian delegation led by Defence Secretary Vijay Singh to Moscow. The defence agreement with Ukraine is at an advanced stage of negotiation.

Ukraine is counted among the world's top 10 defence equipment producers as it has inherited a defence industry producing tanks, planes, including the Antonov series of aircraft that are a large part of the IAF's transport fleet, anti-aircraft and radar systems after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Additionally, it has the capacity to build aircraft carrier ships as the undivided Soviet Union's aircraft manufacturing facilities were located in Kiev, currently the capital of Ukraine.

India was put out because Ukraine has supplied T 80 tanks to Pakistan in the past. The AN-12 and AN-32 series of transport planes used by the Indian Air Force are still serviced by Ukraine. In June last year, Moscow said it would sever all defence industry ties with Ukraine should the latter join NATO.

Apart from producing the Antonov series of transport aircraft, Ukraine also retains the rights to service them.

It also has the capacity to build the Mi series of helicopters, apart from T-80 tanks.


With Kiev being the former Soviet Union's aircraft building base, Ukraine retained the capacities to build these mammoth war machines, forcing Russia to build the capability at Sevmash shipyard, meant for submarines, in north Russia.

Russia has been warning India about the "pitfalls" of entering such a defence agreement with Ukraine. Sources said India tried to smoothen Moscow's concerns.

Moscow is also believed to be unhappy over reported comments of former IAF chief Fali Homi Major, just before his retirement, that India would prefer A330 multi-role tanker transport (MRTT) for mid-air refuelling of fighter aircraft, instead of the Russian Illushin-78 tankers, six of which are already being used by the IAF.

Though Major did clarify that the government was yet to take a decision, it failed to placate the Russians, who indicated as much to the Indian delegation that was in Moscow last week to attend the high-level monitoring committee under an inter-governmental commission.

The A330 MRTT issue too came up for an informal discussion with the Russian officials, who stated that they were "slightly upset" with the remarks emanating from India that the Il-78 platform was 'not up to the mark'.

The defence ministry official clarified that India had not yet taken a decision on which of the two shortlisted platforms -- A330 and Il-78 -- they should go in for under the $1.3-billion deal for six aircraft.

"Both the platforms are currently under consideration. We will take a decision soon," he said. However, the official did indicate that the IAF's technical evaluation committee had pointed out certain advantages in going in for A330 MRTT.

India's defence pact with Ukraine annoys Russia: Rediff.com news
 
The arms trading - big business, сompetition is natural. But I think Russia as a partner, can give more. All this talks about Ukraian production and technological potential - a great exaggeration. Trey not able to create anything new (problem in $) - just paint old soviet tanks and hang them with little scrap = "new super-weapons".
 
Trey not able to create anything new (problem in $) - just paint old soviet tanks and hang them with little scrap = "new super-weapons".

hAhahahaha, is that true,
 
This is russian/soviet T-80U (modifed)

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This is is "new" "ukrainian" T-84.
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The arms trading - big business, сompetition is natural. But I think Russia as a partner, can give more. All this talks about Ukraian production and technological potential - a great exaggeration. Trey not able to create anything new (problem in $) - just paint old soviet tanks and hang them with little scrap = "new super-weapons".

a typical indian report,remind you:india sneeze ,the world shake
 

June 17th, 2009

New Delhi, Jun 17: India has signed a deal with an Ukraine firm to modernise its 100 medium lift AN-32 cargo aircraft.

The contract, worth over 400 million dollars was signed between Ukrainian military export monopolist Ukrspetsexport and India to upgrade the planes operated by the Indian Air Force.

Antonov Aircraft Company, headquartered at Kiev, will give the eponymous 20-tonne-capacity aircraft “a full upgrade of on-board communications and navigation systems,” Defence Ministry officials said.

The Antonov-32s are the lifeline of Indian soldiers fighting uninhabitable weather conditions and the harsh terrain to protect Siachen Glacier, the world’s highest battlefield.

The aircraft is mainly used for carrying cargo, supplies and troops to Siachen, where guns fell silent following a November 2003 ceasefire accord with Pakistan.

Ukraine to upgrade Air Force’s 100 AN-32 cargo planes
 
After crash, India inks $400 million deal for AN-32 fleet upgrade - India - The Times of India

NEW DELHI: Soon after an Antonov-32 crashed in Arunachal Pradesh, killing 13 military personnel on board, India has inked a $400 million deal with Ukraine to upgrade IAF's aging transport fleet of 104 such aircraft.

Though the contract was in the pipeline for a long time, with the AN-32s fast approaching the end of their "total technical life'' of 25 years by this year-end, the June 9 crash seems to have propelled the government to finally close the deal.

Russia, of course, remains miffed with India for moving towards signing a defence cooperation pact with Ukraine. Russia sees Ukraine, which inherited a robust defence industry after the Soviet Union breakup two decades ago, as a rival to its thriving arms exports business with India.

Under the contract, all the 104 AN-32s will get an upgrade and life extension overhaul over a period of five years, with an initial lot being sent to Ukraine and the rest undergoing it at Kanpur BRD (base repair depot).

"The project will be executed between 2009 and 2013. It will include life extension of both the engines and airframe, improved avionics suite, communication equipment and landing aids,'' said an official.

The medium-tactical transport AN-32s have had a relatively good flight safety record in IAF as compared to the MiG fighters, with the last major crash being recorded in Delhi in 1999, which killed 21 people. Of the 118 AN-32s inducted in 1984 to replace the then aging Dakota, Caribu and Packet planes, 14 have been lost in crashes till now.

But the twin-turboprop fleet, the IAF workhorse to ferry troops and supplies to forward areas, has suffered from poor serviceability, tardy maintenance, delays in overhauls and shortage of spares, resulting in a high AOG (aircraft on ground) percentage.

The parliamentary public accounts committee had recently, in fact, blasted the defence ministry and IAF for "slackness and ineptitude'' in the contract management and procurement of critical spares.

The IAF move to modify six AN-32s during 2001-2003 for VIP use had also come in for scathing criticism since it diverted them from their primary task of transporting troops and cargo.
 
Russia and India are already building together a Multi-Role Transport Plane. This deal will heavily affect India-Russia good strategic relations which are on its way to end as of the US intervention. But this is the message to Russia that complete your assignments on time and stop taking India for granted......
 
Russia should have thought that before signing helocopter deal with Pakistan.
 
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