India's conventional military superiority over Pakistan is exaggerated.

[Viny]

When you have at least 33% of the world's severely malnourished and extreme poor, when I look at the physical attributes of indian people, it is virtually impossible for me or any other non-indian to be envious of your kind even if I wanted to be.

Don't quite know the figures, but, quite possibly 65% of Indians in 1950 may be similar to 18% of Indians in 2012.

I dont think your maths is that good, but in simpler language India uplifted population size almost twice bigger than Paksistan population out of poverty after Independence, How many did Pakistan as country made it possible?
If I have to go by numbers, it would bring big shame to you....from education to health to infant mortality

 

[khanmubashir]

To get to Mumbai or new delhi

is no joke buddy

No PAF fighter will get that far

As for missles unless its a nuke sending missles to hit a city is like stopping a rhino with a paper clip .

get real

india cities are simply out of reach you have no chance

unless you want mushroom clouds in response

IF CONVENTIONAL BRING IT ON lets who runs out FIRST

u must be high

 

[GURU DUTT]

When you have at least 33% of the world's severely malnourished and extreme poor, when I look at the physical attributes of indian people, it is virtually impossible for me or any other non-indian to be envious of your kind even if I wanted to be.

Don't quite know the figures, but, quite possibly 65% of Indians in 1950 may be similar to 18% of Indians in 2012.

I have always said that the enmity between Pakistan and india has always been more racial rather than religious. That is the reality. That's why I have never ever said anything anti-hindu nor do I hate Hinduism. In Pakistan we have our own Hindu, Sikh, Christain & Jewish communities and they are just as Pakistani as I am.

either you are unable to understan or dont want to understan the fact that indians despite all that you wrote is still progressing and birgning out more people out of poverty than your entire middle class every decade

and thats the main reason why even your closest ummah friends and so called "friends not masters" and there allies like Japan , UK & germany are investing in india in just last 2 years more than twice your all weather friends plan to invest in pakistan for more than a decade .... got it

now the thread is about indias conventional militarry superiorty so lets stick with that

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I dont think your maths is that good, but in simpler language India uplifted population size almost twice bigger than Paksistan population out of poverty after Independence, How many did Pakistan as country made it possible?
If I have to go by numbers, it would bring big shame to you....from education to health to infant mortality

By that definition, you should be ashamed of having at least 33% of the world's most severely malnourished and extreme poor. When I observe the physical attributes of indian people I strongly believe that the majority of Indians have suffered severe malnourishment issues at some point in their life which is why indians look so physically odd and different to the rest of humanity.

 

[GURU DUTT]

By that definition, you should be ashamed of having at least 33% of the world's most severely malnourished and extreme poor. When I observe the physical attributes of indian people I strongly believe that the majority of Indians have suffered severe malnourishment issues at some point in their life which is why indians look so physically odd and different to the rest of humanity.

so why are looks so important you u ?

thing is despite all what you say we still are fastest growing 2.3 trillon $$s + economy with whome Saudi Arbia , UAE , Kuwait , USA, UK , france , Germany japan all combined are investing more than twice in two year what your all weather freinds plan to invest in you in next decade

 

[Jamwal's]

At least your honest and not as deluded as your fellow countrymen. That connection you speak applies to less than 2% of the respective populations. By the same token Pakistanis would then be racially far closer to Iranians/Persians as a far larger proportion of Pakistanis share a lot more in common with our neighbours to our western borders.

What !

Pakistanis are racially closer to Persians ? never heard any Iranian member claiming the same, unless you are from Iranian border.

How can a Punjabi is racially and culturally similar to Persian ?


Myself being a Dogra Rajput know how many Pakistani Rajput claim our lineage as Minhas, Chib and Jaswal etc.

Half of your population resides in Punjab rest in Sindh or other states. They are racially similar to un divided Indian Punjab (mostly Sikhs, Jutts, Gujjar, Jat and Rajput) they even share their last names.

Bhati (bhatti) Chattha, Gill, Bajwa, Sethi ,Chauhan, Rathore and Kamboj etc.


Similarly your Pashtuns are racially and culturally same as Afghan Side.

Nothing unique about them. All of them.


Only "unique Race" you have lives in Gilgit Baltistan, Northern Areas and Kalash People.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

so why are looks so important you u ?

thing is despite all what you say we still are fastest growing 2.3 trillon $$s + economy with whome Saudi Arbia , UAE , Kuwait , USA, UK , france , Germany japan all combined are investing more than twice in two year what your all weather freinds plan to invest in you in next decade

Looks and beautiful peoples/races are very important. It's depressing being surrounded by goblins and other ugly creatures. Considering your population is 7-8 times bigger than ours, I'm not surprised your FDI is many times bigger than ours. Personally I couldn't care less about other nations (except China or Turkey) and what they do or think of us. Whether they invest in us or not. All I care about is preserving our unique beautiful race and unique way of life. All I want is for indians and indianism to be kept as far away as possible from my race and nation.

With Pakistan's continued development of advanced missiles, nukes and having a H-bomb and thermonuclear capability since at least 2011,:

http://isis-online.org/isis-reports...g-nuclear-weapons-time-for-pakistan-to-rever/

even if india spent a $1 trillion on their conventional weapons a year, the indian threat has now been well and truly neutralized permanently. That's why india did not attack Pakistan after mumbai 26/11/2008.

 

[Kurlang]

@The SC Thanks for this wonderful information, but as usual, this thread is also going down the drain.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Looks and beautiful peoples/races are very important. It's depressing being surrounded by goblins and other ugly creatures. Considering your population is 7-8 times bigger than ours, I'm not surprised your FDI is many times bigger than ours. Personally I couldn't care less about other nations (except China or Turkey) and what they do or think of us. Whether they invest in us or not. All I care about is preserving our unique beautiful race and unique way of life. All I want is for indians and indianism to be kept as far away as possible from my race and nation.

With Pakistan's continued development of advanced missiles, nukes and having a H-bomb and thermonuclear capability since at least 2011,:

http://isis-online.org/isis-reports...g-nuclear-weapons-time-for-pakistan-to-rever/

even if india spent a $1 trillion on their conventional weapons a year, the indian threat has now been well and truly neutralized permanently. That's why india did not attack Pakistan after mumbai 26/11/2008.

so now your trying to whipp up a racist and paranoia shit storm and making conspiracy theories ... i pity you

thing is race is something you are born with what is your achievement in it ?

we are talking about achievements not colour of the skin or the body built its the brain and use of brain with right effort that makes you great ..... taquat to sabse jyada hathee ke paas hoti hai kya hathee jungle ke raja kehlate-hote hain

lets talk about weapons now .... why would and how can india spend 1 trillion a year on weapons .... we dont need to even one tenth of that ammount can tranform our armed forces if we spent that kind of money every year lolzz we spent only 39 billion a year which if keeps growing at the rate of 10% will be 100 billion after 10 years ... so either you have no answer and trying to confuse things or you dont knwo anything about defnce and economy ... i say have a break and do some research

 

[Jhon Smith]

From the Baluchistan to Karachi, Sindh, Northern Punjab, Pakistan forces for the past decade have fought counterinsurgency and counterterrorist campaigns — essentially smaller-scale guerrilla warfare — rather than the large land wars of the past.
Pak army will be busy in Fata and Bulachistan, internal securities (Punjab , Karachi , Peshawar operations) and along CPEC.

Pak army totally forget how to war with other armies. Its is worrisome.
Many layman in Pak (those have no knowledge about wars or subject called defence strategic studies) can say that these counter insurgencies are increasing the Pak army capacity to fight war with other army. However that are not proper understanding of that person.

You’re looking at different level of capabilities when you’re talking about a higher-end threat, and the Pak Army hasn’t fought against that type of enemy in a long time instead ( though its common but the army involvement inside country made them some incapable to do war with other army) are busy in small insurgency efforts that made the Pak army a less capable for war.
There are very clear chance Pak army will be busy in Fata for next 10 years that will make them war shy horse. When you look at this return of Indian competition under Modi, one of the things that Pak have to pay attention how to learn to war when they get free, that are not possible for near future!

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/pak-army...forget-how-to-fight-war.434446/#ixzz4BGSbMkYf

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

What !

Pakistanis are racially closer to Persians ? never heard any Iranian member claiming the same, unless you are from Iranian border.

How can a Punjabi is racially and culturally similar to Persian ?


Myself being a Dogra Rajput know how many Pakistani Rajput claim our lineage as Minhas, Chib and Jaswal etc.

Half of your population resides in Punjab rest in Sindh or other states. They are racially similar to un divided Indian Punjab (mostly Sikhs, Jutts, Gujjar, Jat and Rajput) they even share their last names.

Bhati (bhatti) Chattha, Gill, Bajwa, Sethi ,Chauhan, Rathore and Kamboj etc.


Similarly your Pashtuns are racially and culturally same as Afghan Side.

Nothing unique about them. All of them.


Only "unique Race" you have lives in Gilgit Baltistan, Northern Areas and Kalash People.

Punjabis only make up 3% of indians and 60% of Pakistanis. The rest of the 97% of indians are completely alien to us. North/Western Pakistanis make up at least 15% of Pakistan and are racially identical to ALL Persians/Iranians although from a different ethnicity to Iranians. The same difference/similarity as between the French and Germans. That's why from a personal POV, I (and most UK Pakistanis also) have always found it easy to relate to, get along with and warm to Middle Eastern Muslims in the UK. I have NEVER EVER felt this way about indians who I have always found to be odd, unusual and alien to me and my people.

 

[Jamwal's]

Punjabis only make up 3% of indians and 60% of Pakistanis. The rest of the 97% of indians are completely alien to us. North/Western Pakistanis make up at least 15% of Pakistan and are racially identical to ALL Persians/Iranians although from a different ethnicity to Iranians. The same difference/similarity as between the French and Germans. That's why from a personal POV, I (and most UK Pakistanis also) have always found it easy to relate to, get along with and warm to Middle Eastern Muslims in the UK. I have NEVER EVER felt this way about indians who I have always found to be odd, unusual and alien to me and my people.

Same here, I don't see any thing common between India and Pak. We are different. What matters is our Share religion and History with Indians.

I am more comfortable with a south Indian even though my ancestral village is 30 ~ km from International Border.





And I don't care how many Indian Punjabis makes up Pakistan, the point is that Pak Punjab has half of your country's population, who are racially similar to Indian Sikhs.


India itself is a multi Racial and multi cultural country, i've nothing in common with a North eastern sitting in Nagaland 3000 km away except for my religion and common nationality.

Its like the difference between a Sindhi and a Guy from Northern Areas or Gilgit Baltistan, but both are Pakistani and Muslims nonetheless.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

so now your trying to whipp up a racist and paranoia shit storm and making conspiracy theories ... i pity you

thing is race is something you are born with what is your achievement in it ?

we are talking about achievements not colour of the skin or the body built its the brain and use of brain with right effort that makes you great ..... taquat to sabse jyada hathee ke paas hoti hai kya hathee jungle ke raja kehlate-hote hain

lets talk about weapons now .... why would and how can india spend 1 trillion a year on weapons .... we dont need to even one tenth of that ammount can tranform our armed forces if we spent that kind of money every year lolzz we spent only 39 billion a year which if keeps growing at the rate of 10% will be 100 billion after 10 years ... so either you have no answer and trying to confuse things or you dont knwo anything about defnce and economy ... i say have a break and do some research

If we're looking at scientific, technological and achievements in intelligence generally then the nation we all need to follow and look to emulate is Germany.

Same here, I don't see any thing common between India and Pak. We are different. What matters is our Share religion and History with Indians.

I am more comfortable with a south Indian even though my ancestral village is 30 ~ km from International Border.





And I don't care how many Indian Punjabis makes up Pakistan, the point is that Pak Punjab has half of your country's population, who are racially similar to Indian Sikhs.


India itself is a multi Racial and multi cultural country, i've nothing in common with a North eastern sitting in Nagaland 3000 km away except for my religion and common nationality.

Its like the difference between a Sindhi and a Guy from Northern Areas or Gilgit Baltistan, but both are Pakistani and Muslims nonetheless.

We don't share the same history or religion. If that we're the case then Pakistan would not have been created.

 

[GURU DUTT]

If we're looking at scientific, technological and achievements in intelligence generally then the nation we all need to follow and look to emulate is Germany.

so now again you are changing the goal post to germany instead of telling what you have had achieved in last 69 years as an independent nation

thing is to most young indias what matters is how to get the best education and then the best employment opportunities and with gods grace we have a PM and a cabinet of ministers who are doing every thing to get that

those who dont have any opportunities or achievements to show of there own indulge in stupid talks relating to racism and making fun /taunting there neighbours about the same ... got my point ?

point is for last 69 years pakistan was sitting in USA and west camp but failed to achive anything subsantial other than "jauhry salahiyat" and some fancy millitarry equipment which it got from USA for its war effort first againt USSR and now against there own creation in afghanistan

while india always stayed away from power block politics from very early stages and put all its wieght and effort to get higher education , skills , health , educational , industrial infra while never going beyond 2% of its GDP for defnce related matters and onl now are getting the result of all that hard work

and thats why even after going thru so much pakistan has failed to learn and rectify its mistakes and short commings and thats not india's fault but collective faliure of your ruling eelite and a nation as a whole

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

@The SC Thanks for this wonderful information, but as usual, this thread is also going down the drain.

Very true. Far too many Indian trolls. Need to put a ban on them.