India's conventional military superiority over Pakistan is exaggerated.

[weqi]

Ye yaad hai???

aray inhay kaha yad ho ga be chare apni cheeze chor ka chalay jate aur bhol jate hay

 

[hussain0216]

Oh no, you are absolutely correct.

And then these supermen lose.

Idiots. But at least they aren't self-deluding idiots.

Its the reality

Not to try to get banned but hindus are really gutless, a white or black guy says boo and they look to scatter, sikhs are moderately better but not much

Your trying to argue against experience


Pakistan has built up a large conventional military capability, defence is easier then offence
If indian forces are looking to attack then they need to mobilise on the border a task we are always faster at

Against a well stocked, heavy defences and wee armed force the attacker will almost alwaya face much heavier losses and considering the amount of weaponry the casualty rate on the indian side would be unsustainable


The only realistic option would be the western model over the latter hslf and beginning of this century of spending time degrading your opposition through targeted air power and missiles

But because we are next door and have considerable offensive power ourselves we would be trading attacks rather than one sided degradation like in the case of iraq or Libya


Ultimately the reality is not going to be proven on a Internet site but if the indian military thought they could attack Pakistan then they would attack Pakistan esp after Mumbai or something like Pathankot but they are well aware of the consequences for both them and india

 

[omega supremme]

Exactly! The question is, how long will Pakistan be able to fight a war with a far, far smaller industrial base than India? 10 days? 15? And after that? You won't be able to last even a fortnight. Your limited assets like dams, power stations, ports, oil refineries etc are all in an area having no depth which will be taken out in the first few days of war. And I'm not talking of a nuclear war, which will never happen.

We have at least 45 days ammunition and fuel in case of open war with india other than that even if the war is stretched, there will be steady flow of equipment also coming from China, Turkey and our Muslim ummah

 

[Maj.Osmani]

Muslim ummah

I highly doubt...since you refuse to fight for Muslim Ummah recently.
Does Muslim Ummah really exists?
I only found it in Alif Laila.

 

[weqi]

In 2008 we didn't mobilize army. In 2001, we were aggressively persuaded by americans.

american magic works on indians too after pakistan

 

[guest11]

@The SC

Part 2

Pakistan has been going through troubled times for more than a decade and economy has been in shambles which in turn a Pakistani military a hand to mouth budget. Lack of proper finances results in missing out on the latest developments in tech. PA too is riddled with outdated equipment but so far it is only managing to upgrade and replace the equipment it has but hasn't been able to leverage the the capabilities that latest weapons systems are offering.

Artillery.

• IA is not just replacing its outdated artillery but is standardizing all of its tube regiments to 155mm which in turn provides a massive boost in firepower. Same cannot be said of PA which will continue to use different types of howitzers in its inventory which will not only create logistical issues but also provides inferior firepower and range. IA intends to have ~3500 pieces of 155 mm by 2030.

• K-9 Thunder is already selected in self propelled tracked howitzer category and will be produced domestically. Current order is 100 units with a follow on option for 50 more.

• M777 is already selected in ultra light artillery and will be produced deomestically. Current order is 145 units with eventual requirement being 600+ units.

• More Pinaka regiments have been ordered with increased range to ~60km, up from 39 earlier.

• More Brahmos regiments are on order.

Armour

• T-90 production is going full steam ahead barring some complications regarding TOT which has been resolved. An order of 350 units of T-90MS is being negotiated, if fructified it will result in the deployment of most advanced tank in the region.

• BMP-2s are to be upgraded and 150 more are on order. BMP relpacement is works.

• Kestrel is under trials and will enter service in 2017-2018. Expected orders are up to 600.

Rotary wing

• Army aviation is under going a rapid expansion which will eventually include 165 LCH, 39 Apaches at the very least. Never before IA had attack helis in its inventory so the inventry will go from zero to 200+ in a matter of years.

• Chetak and Cheetah will be replaced by Ka-226, to be manufactured domestically and LUH. Both of these platforms will increase the payload capability by manifolds. With many expecting the final tally to be close to 600 units in service.

• 22 AH-64E Apaches are to be ordered for IAF in this financial year.

• 15 CH-47F Chinooks are to be ordered for IAF in this financial year.

• 151 Mi-17V5 have been delivered with a follow on order of 48. This brings the total to 200 units of Mi-17V5 less than 10 years old.

• HAL Rudra are ordered for IA and IAF, 60 & 16 respectively. 20 are in service.

Fixed Wing

• More Su-30MKI are ordered. Final tally upwards of 300.

• 36 Rafales to ordered in a few weeks with a follow on 90 is under consideration for Make in India.

• Production of C-295 to begin shortly with the initial order of 56. Expecting orders to cross 100 units.

• Domestic production of either C-130J-30 or An - 158 is being mulled.

Air defence

• Upwards of 3000 missiles of Akash has been ordered and more to follow.

• 9 squadrons of Barak-8 are to be ordered for IAF. A more mobile version with reduced range is being considered for IA.

• SRSAM program is initiated.

• Multiple AESA radars are being made both indigenous as well as imported.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Its the reality

Not to try to get banned but hindus are really gutless, a white or black guy says boo and they look to scatter, sikhs are moderately better but not much

Who'd have the guts to ban you? A Hindu? Don't worry, that's been taken care of. You can say what you like and nobody is going to say boo to you. Aren't you the lucky one?

Your trying to argue against experience

Your experience? Really? Now don't go shy on us, tell us all about it. Where have you served? How many years? What have you done? Which were the international matches you won? How many degrees had you earned, all on your own........?

Pakistan has built up a large conventional military capability, defence is easier then offence

You're kidding, right? You know this is top-secret, and you might get court-martialed if you let out such stuff.

If indian forces are looking to attack then they need to mobilise on the border a task we are always faster at

Now wait a minute, nobody said anything about all these conditions.

Against a well stocked, heavy defences and wee armed force the attacker will almost alwaya face much heavier losses and considering the amount of weaponry the casualty rate on the indian side would be unsustainable

Do you, offhand, remember the casualty figures in 1965 and in 1971?

The only realistic option would be the western model over the latter hslf and beginning of this century of spending time degrading your opposition through targeted air power and missiles

But because we are next door and have considerable offensive power ourselves we would be trading attacks rather than one sided degradation like in the case of iraq or Libya

So that's ruled out then. You have so much that you can keep on shooting back.

Ultimately the reality is not going to be proven on a Internet site but if the indian military thought they could attack Pakistan then they would attack Pakistan esp after Mumbai or something like Pathankot but they are well aware of the consequences for both them and india

You mean India has to wait until Pakistan is braced and ready? Or has prepared for trouble in advance?

 

[omega supremme]

I highly doubt...since you refuse to fight for Muslim Ummah recently.
Does Muslim Ummah really exists?
I only found it in Alif Laila.

You are very limited in your knowledge regarding Pakistan and Arab relation . They will never say you didn't come to us in our war against houthi's in Yemen, that's a war they can easily fight on their own. They needed Pakistan more for showing political strength and that muslim countries will fight for us nothing more than that. Our involvement in that war is of no use
but they will send us fuel and other things because of our relations with them

 

[The SC]

You are quoting the examples of world war 2,However the future war will be fought in different scale.
Job of army will be stalemate at the border,However strike package will be delivered by IAF Super Sukhoi MKI armed
with 3 Brahmos NG will target 5,000 strategic location of Pakistan.Thtas why India is Modernizing IAF and increasing squadron strength to 42 while buying 4++ Gen aircraft like Rafaels.
Indian Navy will move to complete blockade of Pakistan ports in Karachi and Gwadar.
This are just examples future war will be mostly fought in air and sea.You need air superiority to hold the war.

You seem to have forgotten the Pakistani air defenses, their cruise missiles and submarines old and new..and i am talking about military science , the example of WW2 was nothing but an example of the ratio between armies, today as it stands, that ratio between India and Pakistan is 1.2:1, this ratio includes all aspects of armed forces, air, sea and land..

 

[Maj.Osmani]

You are very limited in your knowledge regarding Pakistan and Arab relation . They will never say you didn't come to us in our war against houthi's in Yemen, that's a war they can easily fight on their own. They needed Pakistan more for showing political strength and that muslim countries will fight for us nothing more than that. Our involvement in that war is of no use
but they will send us fuel and other things because of our relations with them

Listen brother I am not saying for Pakistan's individual relations with Arab countries but I am telling you about Muslim Ummah.

 

[The SC]

That was CIRUS.

So what's this thread about conventional war or Nuclear proliferation ?

You asked for the comonwealth nations help to India, and that was an example ..

 

[Hamza913]

Exactly! The question is, how long will Pakistan be able to fight a war with a far, far smaller industrial base than India? 10 days? 15? And after that? You won't be able to last even a fortnight. Your limited assets like dams, power stations, ports, oil refineries etc are all in an area having no depth which will be taken out in the first few days of war. And I'm not talking of a nuclear war, which will never happen.

Do that, and things most certainly WILL go nuclear.

 

[Windjammer]

The Internet warriors and fan boys alike can do all the chest thumping and run back to 1971 to boost their tiny egos, but when it comes to level playing fields, be it 2002 or 2008, it was the mighty Indian army, for whatever reasons, that CHICKENED OUT of going to war.

Indian army 'backed out' of Pakistan attack
By Siddharth Srivastava


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KA21Df02.html

 

[mourning sage]

I am sick of these threads. Lets just fight a war and settle this issue once and for all. We Pakistanis are too scared to initiate one, Indians, as strong as they are have the balls to do so. So please india, initiate one and we'll lay this matter to rest once and for all.

 

[New Resolve]

With the economy picking up pace the conventional status quo shouldn't be too hard to maintain, we know the Indians over promise and under deliver (Rafale a case in point). We just cant afford another lost decade like the last 10 years.