India's conventional military superiority over Pakistan is exaggerated.

[Akhill]

Quite contrary.

The gap between conventional forces was biggest in 2001-02 stand-off---whereby indians were forced to withdraw unilaterally in humiliation after losing nearly 2000 soldiers.

Today, the conventional gap is much, much smaller *relative* to what it was in 2001-02 stand off.

Don't try to fool yourself. This is a defence forum. We know the facts here lol

dude.. who feeds you this crap ?? i mean.. how much brainwashed you are.. . i still remember pakistanis claiming to have won 1971 war... your army runs a great propoganda.. on par with North Korea i think...

 

[randomradio]

Quite contrary.

The gap between conventional forces was biggest in 2001-02 stand-off---whereby indians were forced to withdraw unilaterally in humiliation after losing nearly 2000 soldiers.

Today, the conventional gap is much, much smaller *relative* to what it was in 2001-02 stand off.

Don't try to fool yourself. This is a defence forum. We know the facts here lol

It's the exact opposite.

 

[ravi gupta]

This is not fair. You are demoralising them.

If it gets back to THEIR armed forces that they have to fight alone, it might be terribly stressful. Have you thought of the evil consequences your loose talk might have? Do be careful.

Dear Sir,

You are my senior in all aspects and i respect you and your post a lot,In future i will try to restain myself.

 

[AUz]

A citizen/country that takes pride in terrorist activities... only pakistan in the world... everyone else will feel ashamed to even admit.. but u ppl take pride in that.. and when the chicken came home to roost, a blast in lahore, a university fucked up in kpk, an army public school massacred... come on buddy.. take pride in those too.. why do u want to shift the blame in that scenario.. take pride in that.. thump ur chest...

We take pride in our resolute will to fight ten times bigger enemy anywhere and everywere...

In icy mountains, in warm fields, in deserts, at sea...by using whatever means possible.

You can cry like a little indian that you are...doesn't matter to us.

ALL nations carry out assymetric warfare against their enemies. We just bled you by it a bit more than indians had originally expected. Nothing more.

We survived massive odds because of our sheer fighting will.

But "sheer fighting will" is a hard concept for hindus to comprehend.

Imagine if roles were reversed. Islamic India of 1 billion vs Hindu Pakistan 18 0 million (size, population, resources same).

We would have run you over in every way possible...

However, you couldn't even come close to us in that regard.

 

[Jaam92]

India has no wish to invade or conquer pakistan. But if war happens India will just strike back and watch. India can recover from economic shock but pakistan will struggle hard.

Small or big war is not in favor of both countries, if you think that India can overcome the economical loss in war then I will say in your dreams, Pakistan has not a big economy like India, India cannot bear the economic shock in war against India even I will say lack of Mutual understanding and current riot issues India could divided into some parts in result of economic shock, India has big economy to suffer on other hand Pakistan has not such a big economy like India.
If CPEC completed 100 percent and start works perfectly then India will not dare to have a war with CHINA Pakistan, it is obvious indian are not happy with CPEC and they are trying every source to stop this project, they are winning in some of their plans but not all plans

 

[The SC]

And the Pakistan Army isn't?



Whatever happened to 7,00,000 troops in Kashmir? I'm glad sane minds prevail.



Two major mistakes here.

1. While the Indian Army's war fighting capability has been mentioned here, Pakistan's has not.

2. The numbers are not the total ammunition stock of the army but the War Wastage Reserves. We need 40 days of WWR for intense fighting, but that's not all the ammo that the IA has.



Whatever happened to the 1000+ T-90s that are already in operation?

And what about Pak numbers? How many T-90 class tanks in the PA? There should be a valid comparison. If the PA has no T-90 class tanks, then even a few hundred with the IA are enough to get an advantage, let alone 1500.



That's a very weird opinion.

A B-52 can carry 32 tons of bombs.
A B-1B can carry 34 tons internally.
A B-2 can carry 23 tons.

A flight of 4 Su-30MKI can carry the same amount, up to 32 tons.

The bomber's main advantage is range. But that sort of range is irrelevant in our scenario. Highly maneuverable aircraft carrying PGMs are of greater importance than a weapon that can only be used after air superiority is ensured.

In the entire article, the only thing the author has compared is numbers stationed near the borders which gives Pak the advantage. But the rest of the article simply says "the IA sucks" and ends it with that. IA has obsolete tech, but what about Pak? The IA does not have enough ammo, but what about Pak? What about the tanks? How about comparing supporting assets, like the air wing?

The article talks about IA's obsolescence, then it should have also compared future modernization plans. It should have talked about FMBT, FRCV and FICV and compared that similar to Pak programs. It should have talked about the IA's new air wing and brought up PA and PAF's plan to counter it. Where is the comparison on battlefield communication systems and soldier modernization programs?

The title says "India's conventional military superiority over Pakistan is exaggerated" but gives no information to prove it.

This is a scholarly article talking about strategic facts, it proves everything it says with numbers, geography, military science and experience of conventional warfare in general..
You are entiteled to your opinion, wiishes and thoughts, but they won't change the facts stated in the article.. For instance; you can not change geography, can you?

 

[AUz]

It's the exact opposite.

Write four words is easy, kid.

Make your argument with facts or don't quote me again.

Spend some time here in this forum and you'll be educated.

Pakistan-india war is a primary air and land war.

Please tell me how the conventional difference here in "bigger" today than it was in 2001-02

lol...

 

[randomradio]

The Pakistani Civilian will have support of Paksitan armed forces and maybe even let say one week of basic training.You have no idea of the Pakistani Population,the reason i told you this is not 71 when we didn't even had sticks to fight.

Our population will take care of india.

That's a very dangerous thought process. If Pak convinces the world that its entire population will fight back, that means the entire population will become India's target and the entire population can become PoW with no humanitarian backlash.

 

[AUz]

Alright fellas...time for Sehri here.

I am done in this thread.

Don't quote me now..

 

[Mav3rick]

1. The modernization drive of the Indian forces that is badly needed from decades is being misconstrued by pakistanis as build up.

2. The forces under a decade year old program are striving to attain the bare minimum capability that has been charted out in a planned implementation till 2025.

3. No other country other than Pakistan is concerned about this so called build up. One does understand their dilemma.

4. The checks and balances in procurement or production is severely delaying the planned modernization. It was just last year that private Indian players were allowed to manufacture defense equipment and allowed to enter into JV's

I want to respond only to point 3 of your post. Pakistan is the only country with which India has fought over 2 wars and thus the only country which can produce any considerable concern on Indian military build-up.

 

[Akhill]

We take pride in our resolute will to fight ten times bigger enemy anywhere and everywere...

In icy mountains, in warm fields, in deserts, at sea...by using whatever means possible.

You can cry like a little indian that you are...doesn't matter to us.

ALL nations carry out assymetric warfare against their enemies. We just bled you by it a bit more than indians had originally expected. Nothing more.

We survived massive odds because of our sheer fighting will.

But "sheer fighting will" is a hard concept for hindus to comprehend.

Imagine if roles were reversed. Islamic India of 1 billion vs Hindu Pakistan 18 0 million (size, population, resources same).

We would have run you over in every way possible...

However, you couldn't even come close to us in that regard.

First, we dont want pakistan... we dont even want to put our finger on that... that's why we never resort to intrusions.. it is only from your side..

and by looking at your post, i have taken a better decision... - "Not to waste my time"

so, keep ur ranting.

 

[BRAVO_]

A citizen/country that takes pride in terrorist activities... only pakistan in the world... everyone else will feel ashamed to even admit.. but u ppl take pride in that.. and when the chicken came home to roost, a blast in lahore, a university fucked up in kpk, an army public school massacred... come on buddy.. take pride in those too.. why do u want to shift the blame in that scenario.. take pride in that.. thump ur chest...

as per your definition of terrorism .. Americans are the biggest terror campaigner as well coz they are the one who brought forward Usama Bin Ladan and if u dig down deep lot of terror organizations were once funded by CIA, you have simply forget the fact how indian supported tamil tigers? or who they are supporting TTP or BLA? come on...

 

[guest11]

I think it is good for India to modernise its armed forces, but please do not underestimate Pakistan, because every system you have mentionned have already its equivalent in The Pakistani armed forces, they just do not advertise it too much.. If you believe that China can counter all those new systems and weapons, you can be sure that Pakistan can do it too, so balance ratio will never go up to 2:1 in any branch of the armed forces.

Let me put it this way. This is an international forum dealing with open source information so advertising or not, if you have it show it. That is how it works. I am ready to provide sources for each of my claims.

The country of your origin is not China and you are not a Chinese national. China is the second largest economy and yours is equal to that of Chile and Ireland. It is that simple. Chinese will not fight for you and they never had and let's not go further offtopic.

As for countering these weapon systems, just because you believe it doesn't make it true. I am open for point by point rebuttal if you can provide one.

 

[omega supremme]

I am not saying for Pakistan's individual relations with Arab countries but I am telling you about Muslim Ummah.

Yes, but the Arabs are a part of Muslim ummah. I'm not saying all will be able to help us openly but Arabs will send aid

 

[Mav3rick]

Exactly! The question is, how long will Pakistan be able to fight a war with a far, far smaller industrial base than India? 10 days? 15? And after that? You won't be able to last even a fortnight. Your limited assets like dams, power stations, ports, oil refineries etc are all in an area having no depth which will be taken out in the first few days of war. And I'm not talking of a nuclear war, which will never happen.

The one thing I can guarantee is that we will outlast any war with India in terms of military supplies and that any war where India is the aggressor and Pakistan the defender, Pakistan will hold her own and Indian attacks will be repulsed successfully.