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Pakistani Pilots Trained to Operate Rafale Jets in France; India’s ‘Bad Deal’ for New Fighters Now Looks Alot Worse
April-11th-2019

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India’s controversial acquisition of the French Dassault Rafale medium weight multirole fighter, which has mired Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s BJP government in a serious corruption scandal due in part to the extreme costsof the platforms, has reportedly been undermined by recent reports that Pakistani pilots were given access to the aircraft and trained to operate them in France. While the primary pretext for Rafale acquisition has been to counter Pakistan, particularly in light of recent skirmishes in the air between the two countries in late February 2019, news that the Pakistani military is likely aware of the exact specifications of the fighters has dealt a serious blow to the platform’s potential viability in Indian hands. While Pakistan has no plans to operate the Rafale itself, instead relying on the upcoming JF-17 Block 3 and stealth fighters developed under Project AZM to modernise its fleet, Pakistani pilots under the Qatari Air Force were dispatched to France to train on the Rafales. The Qatari armed forces have relied on recruits from the South Asian state to operate its hardware since the 1970s, and Pakistani personnel even operated Qatari battle tanks during the 1991 Gulf War and engaged Iraqi forces on the Gulf State’s behalf. Qatar’s small population and extremely high living standards have meant that it has been unable to recruit its own citizens to serve in the front lines of its own armed forces - and much like neighbouring Saudi Arabia it has relied heavily on Pakistani assistance as a result.

Pakistani familiarity with the Rafale design, and the fact that its pilots have flown the aircraft before the first squadron was ready for service in the Indian Air Force, means that its armed forces will know the fighter's exact limitations and those of its weapons systems - allowing assets such as PL-12 equipped JF-17 fighters and HQ-16 air defence batteries to better avoid attacks from the French made platforms and more effectively neutralise them in turn. Alongside the current corruption sandal surrounding the Rafale acquisition, this could well be a key factor in preventing the Indian Air Force from pursing further acquisitions of the French fighters - which it is currently considering as part of its RFI tender for new light-medium weight fighter jets. The Indian fighter fleet, however, still remains highly capable of countering potential Pakistani attacks with its heavier and more capable fighter jets such as the Su-30MKI - which surpasses the capabilities of the Rafale across the spectrum and is capable of carrying state of the art munitions such as the R-77, R-27ER, AIM-132 air to air missiles and BrahMos cruise missile with which Pakistan's armed forces are far less familiar.
 
Potentially not true. Looks like the French ambassador to India, Alexandre Ziegler, has already denied Pakistani pilots being trained in France on the Rafale.
 
Potentially not true. Looks like the French ambassador to India, Alexandre Ziegler, has already denied Pakistani pilots being trained in France on the Rafale.
French Ambassador is right that PAKISTANI PILOTS were not trained, they trained QATARI PILOTS, however it can't be helped if those QATARI turned out to be PAKISTANIS. :laugh:
 
Potentially not true. Looks like the French ambassador to India, Alexandre Ziegler, has already denied Pakistani pilots being trained in France on the Rafale.

Well, they likely checked their records. The pilots from Qatar must have been holding Qatari passport; thing is Pakistan allows dual nationality in Air Force. So, all they can see in their records is that the trainees held Qatari passports.

@Windjammer posted an Arabic news article somewhere, which in Arabic, clearly spoke of Qatar sending Pakistani Air Force exchange officers for training.
 
Well, they likely checked their records. The pilots from Qatar must have been holding Qatari passport; thing is Pakistan allows dual nationality in Air Force. So, all they can see in their records is that the trainees held Qatari passports.

@Windjammer posted an Arabic news article somewhere, which in Arabic, clearly spoke of Qatar sending Pakistani Air Force exchange officers for training.

If that is true, then Turkey please take note of how to bypass US hurdles to get Pakistanis to train your pilots for the F-16s due to instructor shortages in TuAF!
 
Potentially not true. Looks like the French ambassador to India, Alexandre Ziegler, has already denied Pakistani pilots being trained in France on the Rafale.
Obviously he has no other option but to deny.
Should he accept that state-of-the-art systems India is waiting for since 10 years and for which it is paying dearly is already compromised?
 
French Ambassador is right that PAKISTANI PILOTS were not trained, they trained QATARI PILOTS, however it can't be helped if those QATARI turned out to be PAKISTANIS. :laugh:

Yep NOT Pakistani

Members of the Qatari airforce

Is it our fault so many members of GCC airforces are ex or current PAF:coffee:

If that is true, then Turkey please take note of how to bypass US hurdles to get Pakistanis to train your pilots for the F-16s due to instructor shortages in TuAF!

:coffee:
 
Well, they likely checked their records. The pilots from Qatar must have been holding Qatari passport; thing is Pakistan allows dual nationality in Air Force. So, all they can see in their records is that the trainees held Qatari passports.

@Windjammer posted an Arabic news article somewhere, which in Arabic, clearly spoke of Qatar sending Pakistani Air Force exchange officers for training.
The irony is some half a dozen different Arabic and other sources reported this as far back as in 2016 but only picked up now after it was reported in English Aviation Journals.

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/wor...istani-pilots-to-france-to-train--t73174.html

https://www.elmwatin.com/137998

http://www.alshouranews.com/1649281

 
French Ambassador is right that PAKISTANI PILOTS were not trained, they trained QATARI PILOTS, however it can't be helped if those QATARI turned out to be PAKISTANIS. :laugh:

If true, the Indians would be fuming. Kind of like I was when I found that IAF had access to Block-52+ F-16's of the Singaporean Air Force, which were parked at an Indian Air Force Base.
 
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