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Only thing that protecting you is that nukes.

Well it is what it was meant to be not for fun or mere claims.

Perhaps months ,but we can certainly do that.
IN can easily choke your lifeline.
Mig UPG &Su would be enough to wipe out PAF.Of Course we will also lose a lots.

Not months, like cold feet even before start doctrine and still counting also, more than 72 hrs passed recent threats but the thing is, it would be as usual.

We need months ,but US dont even need a few weeks.

As usual the devil's advocacy however, US is also aware of No Possibility through conventional way as well as you rightly said about the N thing. We both know each other pretty much so are aware of such 'behind the scene's thing as well. Or is it as usual you say like 'none of your business'.

Ok Let see.
But it would be enough to avenge our soldiers death

Always, let's see, we will, we would but we know how much and what will India do.

Let me add further. India will do the same thing that has been doing since start, as NaMO is current leader so I would quote his speech with respect to Multi Bahni, more terrorism in Pakistan, water terrorism and supporting proxies through Afghanistan. For the topping, here comes the Ajit Doval and his core business being NSA was, is and will be against Pakistan and everything is on record and we both know. So all the best we in reply can do is, assure the safety of our nation, read and understand the enemy's tactics like Monkey helped a lot and make sure to play like what India wants. The day NaMO was elected, we understood that what it is going to be for us while considering his election campaign based upon anti-Pak stance while fueling the extremists so it was pretty clear and no surprise but I must admit that what surprises us is Yaar of India are in top offices in Pakistan that yet we have to deal with. The current drama is based upon NaMO satisfying the voters while NS having a room against projection of opposition. NaMO cleverly covering the whole story of his failures with respect to growth of country and people by utilizing the usual life line of Indian politicians built upon anti-Pak sentiments.

What you believe is the numerical figures and daring speeches Luke NaMO is doing especially too many since Uri while we must seek the reality, quality and evaluation as well. US is also aware this is not Afghanistan nor Iraq neither Libya and stronger than Iran as well and India is aware of the fact.

Many are in pain due to PA and dies Everytime for it's success especially against Talis, proxies and as being appreciated that they cannot digest much.

We don't need any campaign and media hype, daring speeches but we believe what happens on the ground and how well tackled and for a limited conflict, beside super claims of 1 day or week, we all know how well we can do.
 
Well it is what it was meant to be not for fun or mere claims.



Not months, like cold feet even before start doctrine and still counting also, more than 72 hrs passed recent threats but the thing is, it would be as usual.



As usual the devil's advocacy however, US is also aware of No Possibility through conventional way as well as you rightly said about the N thing. We both know each other pretty much so are aware of such 'behind the scene's thing as well. Or is it as usual you say like 'none of your business'.



Always, let's see, we will, we would but we know how much and what will India do.

Let me add further. India will do the same thing that has been doing since start, as NaMO is current leader so I would quote his speech with respect to Multi Bahni, more terrorism in Pakistan, water terrorism and supporting proxies through Afghanistan. For the topping, here comes the Ajit Doval and his core business being NSA was, is and will be against Pakistan and everything is on record and we both know. So all the best we in reply can do is, assure the safety of our nation, read and understand the enemy's tactics like Monkey helped a lot and make sure to play like what India wants. The day NaMO was elected, we understood that what it is going to be for us while considering his election campaign based upon anti-Pak stance while fueling the extremists so it was pretty clear and no surprise but I must admit that what surprises us is Yaar of India are in top offices in Pakistan that yet we have to deal with. The current drama is based upon NaMO satisfying the voters while NS having a room against projection of opposition. NaMO cleverly covering the whole story of his failures with respect to growth of country and people by utilizing the usual life line of Indian politicians built upon anti-Pak sentiments.

What you believe is the numerical figures and daring speeches Luke NaMO is doing especially too many since Uri while we must seek the reality, quality and evaluation as well. US is also aware this is not Afghanistan nor Iraq neither Libya and stronger than Iran as well and India is aware of the fact.

Many are in pain due to PA and dies Everytime for it's success especially against Talis, proxies and as being appreciated that they cannot digest much.

We don't need any campaign and media hype, daring speeches but we believe what happens on the ground and how well tackled and for a limited conflict, beside super claims of 1 day or week, we all know how well we can do.

Just wait and see.

Modi elected because of his administrative qualities .Pakistan and foreign policy is not a subject here.Never would be.
He did pretty well in economy including GST.
We know how to handle the issue and PM is sure in his words .We dont need the destruction of Pakistan but we want to avenge our soldiers death and that is all that matters .

Except that nukes how long you can sustain against a war with India?
Against US ,your PAF will decimated within days and then it will be a Syria or Iraq
 
Just wait and see.

Modi elected because of his administrative qualities .Pakistan and foreign policy is not a subject here.Never would be.
He did pretty well in economy including GST.
We know how to handle the issue and PM is sure in his words .We dont need the destruction of Pakistan but we want to avenge our soldiers death and that is all that matters .

Except that nukes how long you can sustain against a war with India?
Against US ,your PAF will decimated within days and then it will be a Syria or Iraq

Please remember that Pakistan is a nuclear power, and therefore can not, and should not, be attacked directly. Also remember that war is only policy by other means. Good policies elsewhere can pretty much achieve similar goals. Just ask USSR. Oh wait, it does not exist anymore. The economy is the key.
 
Just wait and see.

Since cold start doctrine but tell you what, it is not like we are unaware or underestimating but we know the dirty game.

Administrative quality? Seen it from Gujeat to Kashmir, nothing unknown. Destruction of Pakistan is pretty much taught and the dream of our rival, we are aware of it as well though being the matter of time it has been expressed by many officials and we both know hence waiting. Your soldiers were avenged by the people in revenge of their beloved ones killed by your soldiers so the cycle is not going to end until & unless India realize and give the rights to Kashmiris. Any proof of Pakistan for your soldiers, I don't see it yet except Arnab style claims however Freedom Fighters element in this case is also being not clear that it could be Doval's planning right before Pakistan speech in UN and possibly aware of pressure. As I said, nukes are there indeed for the purpose or ask GoI to disarm the N and then us so we will see who can sustain what though are mere claims and speeches like NaMO is doing nowadays. PA has proven the mettle as well as being praised by many nations and their officials that I am sure you are aware of the sane, aah, lastly it was from UK Chief. PAF sustain or not against US is clear fact based upon Tech difference but interestingly it is still a claim to see Pakistan like Syria etc but you said you don't want Pakistan destruction, aah, no issue, however it is still like will be, would be and all.

Also, remember USSR entered Afghanistan and resulted in Russia even being super power of those times. Same could be done to current super power through the next power in similar fashion and as sad, strategies are changed, developed and executed keeping in view the adversary. Just a hint to understand.
 
Please remember that Pakistan is a nuclear power, and therefore can not, and should not, be attacked directly. Also remember that war is only policy by other means. Good policies elsewhere can pretty much achieve similar goals. Just ask USSR. Oh wait, it does not exist anymore. The economy is the key.

Yup.
That is why we have multiprong strategy and economy is the prime weapon.

Since cold start doctrine but tell you what, it is not like we are unaware or underestimating but we know the dirty game.

Administrative quality? Seen it from Gujeat to Kashmir, nothing unknown. Destruction of Pakistan is pretty much taught and the dream of our rival, we are aware of it as well though being the matter of time it has been expressed by many officials and we both know hence waiting. Your soldiers were avenged by the people in revenge of their beloved ones killed by your soldiers so the cycle is not going to end until & unless India realize and give the rights to Kashmiris. Any proof of Pakistan for your soldiers, I don't see it yet except Arnab style claims however Freedom Fighters element in this case is also being not clear that it could be Doval's planning right before Pakistan speech in UN and possibly aware of pressure. As I said, nukes are there indeed for the purpose or ask GoI to disarm the N and then us so we will see who can sustain what though are mere claims and speeches like NaMO is doing nowadays. PA has proven the mettle as well as being praised by many nations and their officials that I am sure you are aware of the sane, aah, lastly it was from UK Chief. PAF sustain or not against US is clear fact based upon Tech difference but interestingly it is still a claim to see Pakistan like Syria etc but you said you don't want Pakistan destruction, aah, no issue, however it is still like will be, would be and all.

Also, remember USSR entered Afghanistan and resulted in Russia even being super power of those times. Same could be done to current super power through the next power in similar fashion and as sad, strategies are changed, developed and executed keeping in view the adversary. Just a hint to understand.

At end the voters in India that elected Narendra Modi and NDA knows more than any other foreigners.
Do you know about the benefits that the retired military got from this govt?Even I am an indirect beneficary of his good policies .So we know him and his administrative qualities .

Not officials but politicians .

USSR defeated and Pakistan still suffering due to its byproducts.
US is still there .PAF couldnt even scramble their jet when US Seals raided the OBL .Your forces waited their helplessly
until they finish their job.So stop this bravado .
 
Yup.
That is why we have multiprong strategy and economy is the prime weapon.

Evenly matched nuclear rivals can take several decades to complete their tussles. How long did the Cold War last? South Asia will take a few more decades to figure out its regional dynamics yet.
 
USSR defeated and Pakistan still suffering due to its byproducts.
US is still there .PAF couldnt even scramble their jet when US Seals raided the OBL .Your forces waited their helplessly
until they finish their job.So stop this bravado .

Let me tell you first thing that even if it was to the extent what you uttered, no such discount for India at all or why don't India attempted even since cold feet doctrine and last sur-gi-cal strikes and bravado. Was it really OBL or a save face featuring US, Zardari and Kiyani that you are basing on bravado.

USSR defeated and Pakistan paid for US rivalry due to mismanagement but this time we will make sure of no such loophole and also, India is not US but bravado.

The dynamics are well in changing times and Bravado is thinking to isolate Pakistan and continuously propagating but failed.

US is still trying to figure out that why couldn't leave Afghanistan even after tall claims and still in need of Pakistan that tells pretty much about reality. We have evaluated well that it was the war of US make sure he handles yet we are dealing with the aftermath of our part against USSR and US is aware what coming next. Pain can be seen.


At end the voters in India that elected Narendra Modi and NDA knows more than any other foreigners.
Do you know about the benefits that the retired military got from this govt?Even I am an indirect beneficary of his good policies .So we know him and his administrative qualities .

The qualities you mentioned are indeed some of the what I said and US banned him for visa/visit till became PM but the campaign and abilities are much understood for him being PM, shows the supporters approach and his speeches to taught a lesson to Pakistan and more atrocities in Kashmir. You are indirect beneficiary of his good policies though on other hand many innocents paid by their lives for his bravado.

Yup.
That is why we have multiprong strategy and economy is the prime weapon.

Yes pretty much Multi and we understand well like we got the monkey and Mehsud. Indeed, there is no chance to trust the rival and those multi strategies are well countered but still bravado and no cold feet and surgical since recent threats.
 
An interesting read, and the last sentence: ouch!

http://www.economist.com/news/asia/...softly-it-could-do-bigger-stick-guns-and-ghee

India’s armed forces
Guns and ghee
India is wise to speak softly, but it could do with a bigger stick
20160924_ASP002_0.jpg


TO MANY Indians, their country’s strategic position looks alarming. Its two biggest neighbours are China and Pakistan. It has fought wars with both, and border issues still fester. Both are nuclear-armed, and are allies with one another to boot. China, a rising superpower with five times India’s GDP, is quietly encroaching on India’s traditional sphere of influence, tying a “string of pearls” of alliances around the subcontinent. Relatively weak but safe behind its nuclear shield, Pakistan harbours Islamist guerrillas who have repeatedly struck Indian targets; regional security wonks have long feared that another such incident might spark a conflagration.

So when four heavily armed infiltrators attacked an Indian army base on September 18th, killing 18 soldiers before being shot dead themselves, jitters inevitably spread. The base nestles in mountains close to the “line of control”, as the border between the Indian and Pakistani-administered parts of the disputed territory of Kashmir is known. Indian officials reflexively blamed Pakistan; politicians and pundits vied in demanding a punchy response. “Every Pakistan post through which infiltration takes place should be reduced to rubble by artillery fire,” blustered a retired brigadier who now mans a think-tank in New Delhi, India’s capital.

Yet despite electoral promises to be tough on Pakistan, the Hindu-nationalist government of Narendra Modi has trodden as softly as its predecessors. On September 21st it summoned Pakistan’s envoy for a wrist-slap, citing evidence that the attackers had indeed slipped across the border, and noting that India has stopped 17 such incursions since the beginning of the year. Much to the chagrin of India’s armchair warriors, such polite reprimands are likely to be the limit of India’s response.

There are good reasons for this. India gains diplomatic stature by behaving more responsibly than Pakistan. It is keenly aware of the danger of nuclear escalation, and of the risks of brinkmanship to its economy. Indian intelligence agencies also understand that they face an unusual adversary in Pakistan: such is its political frailty that any Indian belligerence tends to strengthen exactly the elements in Pakistan’s power structure that are most inimical to India’s own interests.

But there is another, less obvious reason for reticence. India is not as strong militarily as the numbers might suggest. Puzzlingly, given how its international ambitions are growing along with its economy, and how alarming its strategic position looks, India has proved strangely unable to build serious military muscle.

India’s armed forces look good on paper. It fields the world’s second-biggest standing army, after China, with long fighting experience in a variety of terrains and situations (see chart). It has topped the list of global arms importers since 2010, sucking in a formidable array of top-of-the-line weaponry, including Russian warplanes, Israeli missiles, American transport aircraft and French submarines. State-owned Indian firms churn out some impressive gear, too, including fighter jets, cruise missiles and the 40,000-tonne aircraft-carrier under construction in a shipyard in Kochi, in the south of the country.

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Yet there are serious chinks in India’s armour. Much of its weaponry is, in fact, outdated or ill maintained. “Our air defence is in a shocking state,” says Ajai Shukla, a commentator on military affairs. “What’s in place is mostly 1970s vintage, and it may take ten years to install the fancy new gear.” On paper, India’s air force is the world’s fourth largest, with around 2,000 aircraft in service. But an internal report seen in 2014 by IHS Jane’s, a defence publication, revealed that only 60% were typically fit to fly. A report earlier this year by a government accounting agency estimated that the “serviceability” of the 45 MiG 29K jets that are the pride of the Indian navy’s air arm ranged between 16% and 38%. They were intended to fly from the carrier currently under construction, which was ordered more than 15 years ago and was meant to have been launched in 2010. According to the government’s auditors the ship, after some 1,150 modifications, now looks unlikely to sail before 2023.

Such delays are far from unusual. India’s army, for instance, has been seeking a new standard assault rifle since 1982; torn between demands for local production and the temptation of fancy imports, and between doctrines calling for heavier firepower or more versatility, it has flip-flopped ever since. India’s air force has spent 16 years perusing fighter aircraft to replace ageing Soviet-era models. By demanding over-ambitious specifications, bargain prices, hard-to-meet local-content quotas and so on, it has left foreign manufacturers “banging heads against the wall”, in the words of one Indian military analyst. Four years ago France appeared to have clinched a deal to sell 126 of its Rafale fighters. The order has since been whittled to 36, but is at least about to be finalised.

India’s military is also scandal-prone. Corruption has been a problem in the past, and observers rightly wonder how guerrillas manage to penetrate heavily guarded bases repeatedly. Lately the Indian public has been treated to legal battles between generals over promotions, loud disputes over pay and orders for officers to lose weight. In July a military transport plane vanished into the Bay of Bengal with 29 people aboard; no trace of it has been found. In August an Australian newspaper leaked extensive technical details of India’s new French submarines.

The deeper problem with India’s military is structural. The three services are each reasonably competent, say security experts; the trouble is that they function as separate fiefdoms. “No service talks to the others, and the civilians in the Ministry of Defence don’t talk to them,” says Mr Shukla. Bizarrely, there are no military men inside the ministry at all. Like India’s other ministries, defence is run by rotating civil servants and political appointees more focused on ballot boxes than ballistics. “They seem to think a general practitioner can perform surgery,” says Abhijit Iyer-Mitra, who has worked as a consultant for the ministry. Despite their growing brawn, India’s armed forces still lack a brain.

From the print edition: Asia

Sensible article.
 
Evenly matched nuclear rivals can take several decades to complete their tussles. How long did the Cold War last? South Asia will take a few more decades to figure out its regional dynamics yet.

But US and USSR were almost equal in military,technology,diplomacy and also in economy.It was the USSR overspending in military that destroyed their nation.
In South Asia ,Pakistan is not a match at all.

Let me tell you first thing that even if it was to the extent what you uttered, no such discount for India at all or why don't India attempted even since cold feet doctrine and last sur-gi-cal strikes and bravado. Was it really OBL or a save face featuring US, Zardari and Kiyani that you are basing on bravado.

USSR defeated and Pakistan paid for US rivalry due to mismanagement but this time we will make sure of no such loophole and also, India is not US but bravado.

The dynamics are well in changing times and Bravado is thinking to isolate Pakistan and continuously propagating but failed.

US is still trying to figure out that why couldn't leave Afghanistan even after tall claims and still in need of Pakistan that tells pretty much about reality. We have evaluated well that it was the war of US make sure he handles yet we are dealing with the aftermath of our part against USSR and US is aware what coming next. Pain can be seen.




The qualities you mentioned are indeed some of the what I said and US banned him for visa/visit till became PM but the campaign and abilities are much understood for him being PM, shows the supporters approach and his speeches to taught a lesson to Pakistan and more atrocities in Kashmir. You are indirect beneficiary of his good policies though on other hand many innocents paid by their lives for his bravado.



Yes pretty much Multi and we understand well like we got the monkey and Mehsud. Indeed, there is no chance to trust the rival and those multi strategies are well countered but still bravado and no cold feet and surgical since recent threats.

Post seems like an overdefensive approach.

You were saying that Pakistan can make another USSR out of the US .
Every time you said the same thing that this time we would be flawless .But at the ground situation are still same.
Afghanistan is going to another milestone of our diplomacy.Our GoI already ensured that now on Afghanistan will also got a share of our newly acquired economic strength and technology.They will also experience some of our success in their development .

Neither US nor west are the beacon of HR .Your people themselves said that in PDF.
Our people dont know anything about this foreign policy shit.
All we cares about the development and corruption free environment .So far he did outstanding work.


I already said and GoI already cleared that there will perfect consequence .And that is all that matters
 
But US and USSR were almost equal in military,technology,diplomacy and also in economy.It was the USSR overspending in military that destroyed their nation.
In South Asia ,Pakistan is not a match at all.

It would be India's mistake to regard Pakistan as "not a match at all". It has a formidable military indeed. And India's social development is just as abysmal as Pakistan's. In terms of the economic struggle, they are pretty evenly matched right now. Let's see who pulls ahead this time, but that will take a sustained emphasis on the economy and away from the military.
 
An interesting read, and the last sentence: ouch!

http://www.economist.com/news/asia/...softly-it-could-do-bigger-stick-guns-and-ghee

India’s armed forces
Guns and ghee
India is wise to speak softly, but it could do with a bigger stick
20160924_ASP002_0.jpg


TO MANY Indians, their country’s strategic position looks alarming. Its two biggest neighbours are China and Pakistan. It has fought wars with both, and border issues still fester. Both are nuclear-armed, and are allies with one another to boot. China, a rising superpower with five times India’s GDP, is quietly encroaching on India’s traditional sphere of influence, tying a “string of pearls” of alliances around the subcontinent. Relatively weak but safe behind its nuclear shield, Pakistan harbours Islamist guerrillas who have repeatedly struck Indian targets; regional security wonks have long feared that another such incident might spark a conflagration.

So when four heavily armed infiltrators attacked an Indian army base on September 18th, killing 18 soldiers before being shot dead themselves, jitters inevitably spread. The base nestles in mountains close to the “line of control”, as the border between the Indian and Pakistani-administered parts of the disputed territory of Kashmir is known. Indian officials reflexively blamed Pakistan; politicians and pundits vied in demanding a punchy response. “Every Pakistan post through which infiltration takes place should be reduced to rubble by artillery fire,” blustered a retired brigadier who now mans a think-tank in New Delhi, India’s capital.

Yet despite electoral promises to be tough on Pakistan, the Hindu-nationalist government of Narendra Modi has trodden as softly as its predecessors. On September 21st it summoned Pakistan’s envoy for a wrist-slap, citing evidence that the attackers had indeed slipped across the border, and noting that India has stopped 17 such incursions since the beginning of the year. Much to the chagrin of India’s armchair warriors, such polite reprimands are likely to be the limit of India’s response.

There are good reasons for this. India gains diplomatic stature by behaving more responsibly than Pakistan. It is keenly aware of the danger of nuclear escalation, and of the risks of brinkmanship to its economy. Indian intelligence agencies also understand that they face an unusual adversary in Pakistan: such is its political frailty that any Indian belligerence tends to strengthen exactly the elements in Pakistan’s power structure that are most inimical to India’s own interests.

But there is another, less obvious reason for reticence. India is not as strong militarily as the numbers might suggest. Puzzlingly, given how its international ambitions are growing along with its economy, and how alarming its strategic position looks, India has proved strangely unable to build serious military muscle.

India’s armed forces look good on paper. It fields the world’s second-biggest standing army, after China, with long fighting experience in a variety of terrains and situations (see chart). It has topped the list of global arms importers since 2010, sucking in a formidable array of top-of-the-line weaponry, including Russian warplanes, Israeli missiles, American transport aircraft and French submarines. State-owned Indian firms churn out some impressive gear, too, including fighter jets, cruise missiles and the 40,000-tonne aircraft-carrier under construction in a shipyard in Kochi, in the south of the country.

20160924_ASC640.png



Yet there are serious chinks in India’s armour. Much of its weaponry is, in fact, outdated or ill maintained. “Our air defence is in a shocking state,” says Ajai Shukla, a commentator on military affairs. “What’s in place is mostly 1970s vintage, and it may take ten years to install the fancy new gear.” On paper, India’s air force is the world’s fourth largest, with around 2,000 aircraft in service. But an internal report seen in 2014 by IHS Jane’s, a defence publication, revealed that only 60% were typically fit to fly. A report earlier this year by a government accounting agency estimated that the “serviceability” of the 45 MiG 29K jets that are the pride of the Indian navy’s air arm ranged between 16% and 38%. They were intended to fly from the carrier currently under construction, which was ordered more than 15 years ago and was meant to have been launched in 2010. According to the government’s auditors the ship, after some 1,150 modifications, now looks unlikely to sail before 2023.

Such delays are far from unusual. India’s army, for instance, has been seeking a new standard assault rifle since 1982; torn between demands for local production and the temptation of fancy imports, and between doctrines calling for heavier firepower or more versatility, it has flip-flopped ever since. India’s air force has spent 16 years perusing fighter aircraft to replace ageing Soviet-era models. By demanding over-ambitious specifications, bargain prices, hard-to-meet local-content quotas and so on, it has left foreign manufacturers “banging heads against the wall”, in the words of one Indian military analyst. Four years ago France appeared to have clinched a deal to sell 126 of its Rafale fighters. The order has since been whittled to 36, but is at least about to be finalised.

India’s military is also scandal-prone. Corruption has been a problem in the past, and observers rightly wonder how guerrillas manage to penetrate heavily guarded bases repeatedly. Lately the Indian public has been treated to legal battles between generals over promotions, loud disputes over pay and orders for officers to lose weight. In July a military transport plane vanished into the Bay of Bengal with 29 people aboard; no trace of it has been found. In August an Australian newspaper leaked extensive technical details of India’s new French submarines.

The deeper problem with India’s military is structural. The three services are each reasonably competent, say security experts; the trouble is that they function as separate fiefdoms. “No service talks to the others, and the civilians in the Ministry of Defence don’t talk to them,” says Mr Shukla. Bizarrely, there are no military men inside the ministry at all. Like India’s other ministries, defence is run by rotating civil servants and political appointees more focused on ballot boxes than ballistics. “They seem to think a general practitioner can perform surgery,” says Abhijit Iyer-Mitra, who has worked as a consultant for the ministry. Despite their growing brawn, India’s armed forces still lack a brain.

From the print edition: Asia
The last lines:lol: remind me a Punjabi phrase fit on situation ........jinne wadde wi ho jaun rennde ........de e thalle @Zibago isn't neighbor both lack of brain and ballz?
 
Post seems like an overdefensive approach.

Seems like looking for a escape way after all those tall claims.



You were saying that Pakistan can make another USSR out of the US .
Every time you said the same thing that this time we would be flawless .But at the ground situation are still same.
Afghanistan is going to another milestone of our diplomacy.Our GoI already ensured that now on Afghanistan will also got a share of our newly acquired economic strength and technology.They will also experience some of our success in their development .

Neither US nor west are the beacon of HR .Your people themselves said that in PDF.
Our people dont know anything about this foreign policy shit.
All we cares about the development and corruption free environment .So far he did outstanding work.


I already said and GoI already cleared that there will perfect consequence .And that is all that matters


Well, it can be for US as well like USSR and if it is a war there will be no discount for either but India is not US at all so the strategies are different from our side as well as you said you have multi strategies etc. Indeed, if USSR can be turned into Russia then anything can be happened to anyone.

It is up-to US though currently we are in good relations we will be like friends but the day anyone thought to invade war or become enemy of Pakistan, the relations, the strategies and approach and everything would be different for those times. However, it is interesting that despite the tall claims of India, you mostly refer US -Pakistan history but again as I said before, India is not US even, having no other option if there is war by US, we know what to do.

Well it is always like to make sure for no flaws but sometimes it is opposite of such like OP about IA, see none is flawless.

The milestone of your diplomacy in Afghanistan is what you have been told by media and NaMO to you though there are different parties in such case like China on request of US as well. We have seen the milestones with unrest in Pakistan even someone from US acknowledged as well about the Indian interference inside Pakistan through Afghanistan but still another claim like would be, will be etc.... there are milestones based upon anti_Pakistan strategy and nothing else.

None is beacon of such HR in today's world and indeed has been expressed rightly and you should realize as well that whatever NaMO is saying with respect to isolation etc is nothing but 'bravado' and we have been saying the same that it is always nation's interest.

You don't know about policy but still almost everyone of you are claiming to isolate Pakistan and what not that we said, nothing is HR. Corruption free environment would be acknowledged the day after he left the PM seat like in OP.

Rest about your threat of consequences, we are aware of that since 1947 so nothing new however, India has to remember for themselves as well w.r.t action has reaction.
 
you seem to be locked in a time bubble few decades back. Indian foreign policy specially with Pakistan is driven by Hawks in civil and military establishment.

I have lost the count how many times... (WITH examples) I have countered your argument but you parrot the same thing over and over again. from Vajpai to this day.. Indian hawks advise against any leniency or normalization with Pakistan but instead advocate aggressive and hostile attitude with Pakistan and finance all anti Pakistan elements. A fact which is even acknowledged by Indians that all their headway in normalization and resolution of Siachin/ Sir Creek was torpedoed by RAW and Indian military.

this continued attitude has eventually given rise to a party with a person as a PM who has blood of innocent on his hands and who was barred from travelling to America.


in short sir.. you are not making any sense and as the experience has it.. you will continue to make false claims about who runs India.

god bless you


I don't entirely agree. On balance, I would like to say that the civilians have far more influence over strategy and over foreign policy in India. The reason why you see excessive aggression from India, relatively speaking, is one that you have pointed out yourself; it was '...from Vajpai (sic) to this day.'

Precisement, Monsieur.

5000 took leave when going got tough :D


Pathetic.

Now you've come to quoting your own brain-addled reporters as fact.
 
Pathetic.

Now you've come to quoting your own brain-addled reporters as fact.
wo karein to raam lila ham karein to character dhela :D

I don't entirely agree. On balance, I would like to say that the civilians have far more influence over strategy and over foreign policy in India. The reason why you see excessive aggression from India, relatively speaking, is one that you have pointed out yourself; it was '...from Vajpai (sic) to this day.'

Precisement, Monsieur.




Pathetic.

Now you've come to quoting your own brain-addled reporters as fact.
Ab zee news ney 200 bandey maR diye ham 8000 ko bemar bhi na karwayien kahan gayi hamari desh bakhti
 
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