Indias 8,000km and 12,000km Ranged missile, Surya1 and Surya 2

[BSF]

You forgot to report Surya-3 and Surya4 with 16,000KM and 20,000KM range and what about Suriya-5 that could travel as long as it may want?

Just as you forgot about ATV I presume.

A nuclear powered Submarine.

 

[arihant]

Yup! But let us know when you want us to be dead.. I wana complete 3S (Shave, $hit and Shower) before it would knock at the door.

We don't want anyone to be dead. India has "No first use" policy.

 

[graphican]

Pakistan developing 7000 km Range missiles. http://www.defence.pk/forums/wmd-missiles/31597-pakistans-7000-km-missile.html

If you developing it's good, but if you are ignoring it's surely bad. I don't need to laugh like him.

Its a little off the topic from 8000 and 12000 Missile but we know you are also working over Arjun and LCA. Sorry if it hurt but I just thought you might be developing 8000 and 12000 the way you are developing Arjun and LCA! Didn't mean to hurt you buddy!

 

[graphican]

We don't want anyone to be dead. India has "No first use" policy.

"No first Use" is not the exceptional policy, you also have "No Perfection Policy" in place!

 

[Su 30mki]

this is a joke right because India can barely make any nukes right now in thier current inventory operational and i see Agni I and II not to be in operational til 2011 and here we go with India propaganda developing a Missile with 12,000kM while looking at what happened with Brahmose supersonice Ballestic Missile....please try to live in reality as much as possible with these BS news Indian's gets over exicted so quick maybe in 2070 India can develop Surya

Lol , look like someone talking about looking into reality..... oh man what j/k...... Need to come in 2009 dear....see the 2009 developments..

 

[arihant]

Its a little off the topic from 8000 and 12000 Missile but we know you are also working over Arjun and LCA. Sorry if it hurt but I just thought you might be developing 8000 and 12000 the way you are developing Arjun and LCA! Didn't mean to hurt you buddy!

Ya, you forget to add Arihant ATV. Check Brahmos I (fastest supersonic cruise missile), Brahmos II (Hypersonic), Agni 3 (latest test were successful). Your Media or Govt. always hide the truth which cause you to fail in all wars against India.

No need to mention about Gaurhi (Sorry South Korean)

 

[Su 30mki]

Its a little off the topic from 8000 and 12000 Missile but we know you are also working over Arjun and LCA. Sorry if it hurt but I just thought you might be developing 8000 and 12000 the way you are developing Arjun and LCA! Didn't mean to hurt you buddy!

We also develop, Dhruv, Barhmos, Nag , Agni, etc..... S uess count more then failure, LCA is the last ultimate frontier we have to cross, only its engine.

 

[arihant]

We also develop, Dhruv, Barhmos, Nag , Agni, etc..... S uess count more then failure, LCA is the last ultimate frontier we have to cross, only its engine.

It's better they live in dark hole. Even if you see their post they see Kargil and 1965 has their win. So, it's waste to open their eyes.

 

[Screaming Skull]

If some members here are done with acting like kids then we can move on to the real issue at hand and please let us discuss it in a more mature manner hereafter. Thanks in advance.

The Surya ICBM project is a reality and it does exist. It is supposed to be a state secret just like the INS Arihant once was. The GoI has always denied the existence of the project. But, main stream media and international research organizations have been reporting about the project right from the mid nineties. The first neutral source to mention the existence of such a project was ‘The Non-Proliferation Review’ published by James Martin Centre for Non-Proliferation Studies. Here s the original report where they have mentioned about the Surya project-

It is reported that India has begun to develop the Surya (Sun) ICBM at the Interim Test Range (ITR) Chandipur. Indian scientists, working at ITR and at DRDO laboratories in Delhi, are striving to finalize the design for the ICBM by 1995. The ICBM is reportedly an upgrade of the Agni-3 missile and will have a range of at least 12,000 km

http://cns.miis.edu/npr/pdfs/miss22.pdf

Another international source that mentions the existence of such a project is the pathetically acrid Arms Control Association with sufficient references. Here s what it says about the project-

The Surya

President John F. Kennedy was once asked the difference between the Atlas space launch vehicle that put John Glenn into orbit and an Atlas missile aimed at the Soviet Union. He answered with a one-word pun: “Attitude.” The established path to a space launch capability for China, France, the Soviet Union, the United Kingdom, and the United States was to adapt a ballistic missile as a space launch vehicle.

India turned the process around, adapting a space launch vehicle as a ballistic missile. In the 1980s, India adapted a space launch vehicle, the SLV-3, to become the Agni medium-range ballistic missile. In keeping with India’s practice of describing nuclear and missile programs as civilian until their military character cannot be denied, India originally claimed that the Agni was a “technology demonstrator.” The Agni program now consists of three missiles with ranges, respectively, of approximately 700, 2,000, and 3,000 kilometers.

For nearly two decades, reports have indicated that India sought to use a similar tactic to develop an ICBM. It appears, though, that India may have officially begun the ICBM project (commonly known as the Surya, although sometimes also known as Agni IV) in 1994. Reports cite various dates, perhaps because the project has had several decision points.

Reports generally agree that the Surya program will result in several different missiles with ranges from 5,000 to 20,000 kilo meters. It is widely claimed that the Surya will have the option of a nuclear payload, and sometimes the claim is made that the payload will consist of multiple nuclear warheads.

Reports also generally agree that the Surya will be a three-stage missile with the first two stages derived from the PSLV’s solid-fuel rockets. India is said to be planning for the third Surya stage to use liquid fuel and to be derived either from the Vikas engine or a more powerful cryogenic upper stage for the Geosynchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle (GSLV), which is an adaptation of the PSLV.

If the Surya uses PSLV rocket motors, as is most frequently reported, it will be an enormous rocket with solid-fuel stages 2.8 me ters (about nine feet) in diameter and a total weight of up to 275 metric tons. This would make it by far the largest ICBM in the world, with a launch weight about three times that of the largest U.S. or Russian ICBMs.

There appears to be no literature on Indian plans to harden or conceal the Surya launch site, which would be difficult to do because of the missile’s size and weight. If a cryogenic third stage is used, the launch process will be lengthy. This means that the Surya is likely to be vulnerable to at tack before launch, making it a first-strike weapon that could not survive in a conflict. Indeed, the Surya’s threatening nature and its pre-launch vulnerability would make it a classic candidate for pre-emptive attack in a crisis. In strategic theory, this leads to “crisis instability,” the increased incentive for a crisis to lead to strategic attacks because of each side’s premium on striking first.

The one report of a mobile ICBM based on a combination of PSLV and Agni technology makes more military sense. Yet, as described below, it entails other serious concerns.

Why would India want the Surya? Its reported ranges suggest the answer.

• A 5,000-kilometer Surya-1 might overlap the range of a reported 5,000-kilometer upgrade of the Agni missile. Surya-1 would have only one advantage over such an upgraded Agni: a far larger payload with the ability to carry a large, perhaps thermonuclear warhead or multiple nuclear warheads. India has no reason to need a missile of this range for use against Pakistan. The missile’s range is arguably appropriate for military operations against distant targets in China: the range from New Delhi to Beijing is 3,900 kilometers; the range from New Delhi to Shanghai is 4,400 kilometers; and the range from Mumbai to Shanghai is 5,100 kilometers.

• An 8,000-to-12,000-kilometer Surya-2 would be excessive for use against China, although the distance from New Delhi to London is 6,800 kilometers; to Madrid, 7,400 kilometers; to Seattle, 11,500 kilometers; and to Washington, D.C., 12,000 kilometers. In 1997, an article based on information from officials in India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) or higher levels of India’s defense establishment stated flatly, “Surya’s targets will be Europe and the U.S.”

• A 20,000-kilometer-range Surya-3 could strike any point on the surface of the Earth.
Indian commentators generally cite two reasons for acquiring an ICBM: to estab lish India as a global power and to enable India to deal with “high-tech aggression” of the type demonstrated in the wars with Iraq. Because there is no obvious reason for India to want a military capability against Europe, there is one target that stands out as a bull’s-eye for an Indian ICBM: the United States. The reported 12,000-kilometer Surya-2 range is tailor- made to target the United States.

U.S. Space Aid to India: On a "Glide Path" to ICBM Trouble? | Arms Control Association

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

see comment below!

 

[graphican]

It's better they live in dark hole. Even if you see their post they see Kargil and 1965 has their win. So, it's waste to open their eyes.

Hmm.. looks like you have beaten Pakistan so often. You are kidding na? Haina? Haina? You've made me feel so low tonight. Did you also beat Pakistan in 47? and 48 when Kashmires liberated half of the Kashmir? Tch.. Had you not rushed to UN to have Ceasefire? Was Karghil not fought on your side or the border and you still won that? Had India not dared to cross an inch of our border inspite of military dominence and year long standoff in 2001? Please don't beat Pakistan in Ghazwatul-Hind! I am requesting you!

 

[blindmatrix]

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[xebex]

Why does India need 12,000 range missiles...all they need is enough range to cover all parts of China.How much range is needed for that 6000 km?

It should not be a big deal anyway to make ICBM based on the Indian GSLV space launch vehicles.Same principles.But why waste money there?

why waste mony there??? bcoz India doesnt have neighbours like Canada and Mexico.

On topic: When Indians planned the Chandrayaan project people laughed out too. Its only a matter of time when India develope its own ICBM and yes as u rightly pointed out India can utilize the space launch rocket technology for this project.

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

And how could you forget your fake spakewalk, atleast we dont do that..lol..

Us8xLsQ1MIE[/media] - FAKED Chinese Spacewalk !!! Under Water !!! PROOF !!! (part 1)

I just recently watched this video that "proves" the Chinese SpaceWalk was fake -- so here are their "evidence" to "proves" it:

(1) Bubble -- they show one part where it "may be" a bubble, but could be debris (such as paper wrapper). We know bubbles in water often come in little streams of bubbles. Where is the stream of bubbles? Why is the "bubble" ANGULAR!!!!!!!

CONCLUSION: It was NOT a "bubble".

(2) Flag waving -- they claim it was in water. FALSE, a flag in water does NOT move like that!

CONCLUSION: Not indicative of in water.

(3) Cloud movement is too fast -- is this a time-lapsed video?

CONCLUSION: Time-lapse video?

(4) Reflection shows 'lights' -- duh, maybe it's the lights from the spaceshuttle!

CONCLUSION: duh, maybe it's the lights from the spaceshuttle!

(5) Why doesn't the austronaught let go -- he's holding on to stay stationary!

CONCLUSION: No reason why he should let go.

(6) Video & Sound is "too good" -- this is the 21st century after all!

CONCLUSION: This video/sound is no better than my camcorder, nothing unusual about it.



Now my Hindu Friends, the "bubble" is NOT a bubble but some debris (probably paper wrapping from foodstuff) that floated out of space capsule.

Please "enlighten" us further.

 

[hack]

why waste mony there??? bcoz India doesnt have neighbours like Canada and Mexico.

On topic: When Indians planned the Chandrayaan project people laughed out too. Its only a matter of time when India develope its own ICBM and yes as u rightly pointed out India can utilize the space launch rocket technology for this project.

India does not need 12,000 miles range to cover her neighbors. The technology is there and was developed when the GSLV launch was conducted.A GSLV is a crude ICBM...just remove the satellite and put on a warhead as payload.

Making a 12,000 range missile operational will only p1ss the Americans off and I don't think India needs that right now.