Indias 8,000km and 12,000km Ranged missile, Surya1 and Surya 2

[sudhir007]

We also develop, Dhruv, Barhmos, Nag , Agni, etc..... S uess count more then failure, LCA is the last ultimate frontier we have to cross, only its engine.

Hey mki u did not mention akash 2sqn already in production for IAF and last month statement come from army chief that they also want some sqn of this missile

 

[arihant]

India does not need 12,000 miles range to cover her neighbors. The technology is there and was developed when the GSLV launch was conducted.A GSLV is a crude ICBM...just remove the satellite and put on a warhead as payload.

Making a 12,000 range missile operational will only p1ss the Americans off and I don't think India needs that right now.

India doesn't need but still good to make. It's just advancement as said.

 

[Saint N sinnerr]

Yup! But let us know when you want us to be dead.. I wana complete 3S (Shave, $hit and Shower) before it would knock at the door.

Ever heard of element of surprise????
I am not sure if U `ll get time for shower and shaving... but I can promise U `ll be $hiiting your pants alllright

 

[Saint N sinnerr]

and hey Graphican ?
Is Grey Boy your junior or what ? he `thank YoU` in 9 out of 10 posts U posted.

 

[BSF]

SO the chinese space walk was a fake.....
Well you can't really blame the chinese on that....
That's what they are good at....faking things.....

 

[Developereo]

And India did not steal technology

Indian SLVs are based on French technology.

 

[BSF]

Indian SLVs are based on French technology.

That's a new one.French.

Do I need to ask for a link for your source.

 

[Developereo]

That's a new one.French.

Do I need to ask for a link for your source.

India tests its first cryogenic engine,Security Issues, News Analysis, India News Online

So far India has been using modified French engines for space launches. India bought four cryogenic engines from Russia’s Glavkosmos company and used two of them for the Geosynchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle in April 2001.

 

[advaita]

Quality Missiles ( with stealth technology) are more necessary. India can reach pakistan with it's just Agni 1 and next defensive purpose would be to develop 6-7 K Range Missiles.

@hack - India does need 12K, although not at current time but surely in future. Who knows future.

Pakistan is so shallow. Even a UP ka bhaiya can take the Nuke on a Bullock cart. It is Pakistan that needs longer range missiles to reach the cities deeper set in India like Kolkatta. Though they could rely on the Chinese to do that for them given that Chinese have better missile tech.

 

[ouiouiouiouiouioui]

surya project is a cause of concern...........if it is under progress...ICBM......not good for health

I

 

[Screaming Skull]

India tests its first cryogenic engine,Security Issues, News Analysis, India News Online

So far India has been using modified French engines for space launches. India bought four cryogenic engines from Russia’s Glavkosmos company and used two of them for the Geosynchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle in April 2001.

Indian launchers basically use three types of motors- solid, liquid and cryogenic. The solid stages were developed indigenously by India and were used for the launch of the SLVs and ASLVs (both retired now). Incidentally, India’s Agni-I missile was developed out of the solid stage booster used in the SLV/ASLV program. APJ Abdul Kalam was the project director for both the SLV and the AGNI.

The liquid stage used in the Indian PSLV and GSLV launchers is called the Vikas engine. Vikas engine was built with French assistance but it is in no way a modified French engine. It has similarities to the French Viking engine but is vastly different from it, making it unique. But yes French assistance for the development can not be denied. Liquid fueled engines are insignificant for missile programs as they are cumbersome and not preferred by countries operating ballistic missiles. This was the premise on which the French agreed (and allowed by the big daddy) to cooperate with us in the development of the Vikas engine.

The third type and the most complicated to design and develop is the Cryogenic stage. If I am not mistaken, India bought five cryos from the Russians. The Russians did not transfer an iota of technology for their cryos. Here is why-

The deal signed by ISRO and the Russians called for flight-ready engines to be sold to ISRO as well as the technology to allow ISRO to develop and manufacture its own liquid oxygen/hydrogen engines. The USA objected strongly to the technology transfer aspect of the agreement, and in 1992 President Bush announced that, if the deal went ahead, sanctions would be applied to both ISRO and the Russians. The Indians complained, pointing out that the development of such a rocket engine had no military application; the propellants are everything you do not want for a missile programme.

In 1993 the arrival of President Clinton brought a compromise: the sanctions would be eased and eventually removed if the agreement between ISRO and the Russians were modified to allow only the sale of flight-ready, assembled engines without any technology transfer. The Russians reluctantly agreed to this in October that year, pacifying the United States but annoying the Indians.

India's GSLV reaches orbit, but can it be a contender? - Jane's Transport Business News

Even to this day the Americans monitor the use of those purchased cryos to ensure that we don’t reverse engineer it. ISRO is not allowed to dismantle even a nut or bolt from those cryos. We are accountable for all five cryos to the Americans. 4 have been used up already and the US is keeping an eye on the last one. If we don’ use it, it will have to be returned to the Russians. Well that was in the early nineties. Today ISRO has mastered the tech to build a cryo by itself. Our first indigenously built cryo will see action this year when a GSLV is launched. But, think about it, it took us a decade and a half to develop a tech that we could have easily gotten from the Russians loooong back. ISRO has been living under heavy sanctions right from the day we popped a nuke in 1974. The US has effectively ensured till this day that ISRO doesn’t get any duel use tech from any country in the world. When such is the case, do you still think our launchers are based on some XYZ country’s tech?

 

[advaita]

surya project is a cause of concern...........if it is under progress...ICBM......not good for health

I

I doubt if it is under development. What is the point (even brownie points can be better scored in other ways)

 

[advaita]

Indian launchers basically use three types of motors- solid, liquid and cryogenic. The solid stages were developed indigenously by India and were used for the launch of the SLVs and ASLVs (both retired now). Incidentally, India’s Agni-I missile was developed out of the solid stage booster used in the SLV/ASLV program. APJ Abdul Kalam was the project director for both the SLV and the AGNI.

The liquid stage used in the Indian PSLV and GSLV launchers is called the Vikas engine. Vikas engine was built with French assistance but it is in no way a modified French engine. It has similarities to the French Viking engine but is vastly different from it, making it unique. But yes French assistance for the development can not be denied. Liquid fueled engines are insignificant for missile programs as they are cumbersome and not preferred by countries operating ballistic missiles. This was the premise on which the French agreed (and allowed by the big daddy) to cooperate with us in the development of the Vikas engine.

The third type and the most complicated to design and develop is the Cryogenic stage. If I am not mistaken, India bought five cryos from the Russians. The Russians did not transfer an iota of technology for their cryos. Here is why-



Even to this day the Americans monitor the use of those purchased cryos to ensure that we don’t reverse engineer it. ISRO is not allowed to dismantle even a nut or bolt from those cryos. We are accountable for all five cryos to the Americans. 4 have been used up already and the US is keeping an eye on the last one. If we don’ use it, it will have to be returned to the Russians. Well that was in the early nineties. Today ISRO has mastered the tech to build a cryo by itself. Our first indigenously built cryo will see action this year when a GSLV is launched. But, think about it, it took us a decade and a half to develop a tech that we could have easily gotten from the Russians loooong back. ISRO has been living under heavy sanctions right from the day we popped a nuke in 1974. The US has effectively ensured till this day that ISRO doesn’t get any duel use tech from any country in the world. When such is the case, do you still think our launchers are based on some XYZ country’s tech?

Our Cryo is 7.5 ton. Russian were offering 10 tons the moment they saw Indians reach 7.5 tons thrust. Indians refused as taking the Russian tech now would have meant killing the indigenous effort.

I personally believe that for important tech we should go alone or only work in equal partnerships.

 

[BSF]

So far India has been using modified French engines for space launches. India bought four cryogenic engines from Russia’s Glavkosmos company and used two of them for the Geosynchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle in April 2001.

Like you said in one of your earlier posts... there is no point re inventing the wheel

 

[luoshan]

India archived ICBM capability in 1987 itself with the successful launch of ASLV which is capable of putting satellite in Low earth orbit. Instead of satellite, if the payload is a warhead with re-entry mechanism, ASLV becomes a ICMB capable of hitting any place on earth.

Links: FAS/ASLV

The payload capacity of the ASLV is approximately 150 kg to an orbit of 400 km with a 47 degree inclination