Indian's Offensive New Strategy

[my name is arya]

what is special in that and why use offencie word well we are still lacking in that sector

 

[ganimi kawa]

Sir please read the article first and then comment. It says that India is raising a mountain strike corps and an artillery division to support it. A strike corps is used for offensive purposes - go get angry now - please.

That's called a "self goal"!!!!

Next time check waqas's post for a little thing called as "sarcasm'!

But then, India is boxed in between Pakistan and China - kidhar jayega ghareeb ka baal - itna bara aur powerful hone ke baad bhi

Hello, youtube!

 

[Tinu]

It is really very old news. In all its wars with Pakistan, India has always kept one eye on the developments on the Chinese border. The mountain divisions were raised for that purpose and so were the Corps HQs in the East. A war on two fronts was always a distinct possibility. However, till as late as 1990, we could count on our all weather friend Soviet Union to keep China and the US out of the equation. They did this extremely admirably, to the extent of sending a few nuclear submarines after the USS Enterprise in 1971 which forced the nuclear armed super carrier to beat a hasty retreat from the Bay of Bengal.

Now that the Soviet Union is no more and our all weather friend Russia, though still a formidable world power to reckon with, is but only a pale shadow of its former self, it is high time we developed the capabilities to defend our nation against an attack on two fronts. Like someone commented, these actions should have been completed 15 years ago.

There are no new directives given to the Indian Military. There is no new burst of offensive intent. These are simply actions taken in self defence as we learn to live in our increasingly hostile neighborhood without the dependence on some all powerful godfather benevolently looking down on us.

I congratulate the author on a good effort at trying to portray India as an aggressive power with evil intent, however, his efforts are in vain as the article might delude only the very foolish and the totally ignorant. Any other country in India's place would have done much more to safeguard its interests and its territorial integrity.

This is not an old news sir ......
The Long Term Integrated Perspective Plan 2017 is being finalised as per the published article

 

[pmukherjee]

Sir please read the article first and then comment. It says that India is raising a mountain strike corps and an artillery division to support it. A strike corps is used for offensive purposes - go get angry now - please.

Sorry friend, that is not the only utility of a strike corps. The strike corps or parts thereof may also be used for launching major counter attacks to regain lost territory, to stabilise an unfavorable tactical situation or even a riposte. All of these are strictly defensive actions. Basically they are a reserve available with the theater commander so he may use as the situation develops. Look at the force levels being talked about, do you think the strike corps is adequate to capture Tibet? Remember that we are talking of mountain warfare here and the force levels needed for offensive actions are very high.

 

[pmukherjee]

This is not an old news sir ......
The Long Term Integrated Perspective Plan 2017 is being finalised as per the published article

I have been trying to point out that these actions should have been carried out by 1995 if not earlier, I have given the reasons for the same. Yet you show me the dateline of some published article? How is that relevant? Anyway, I shall not argue with you any further on this.

 

[Tinu]

Sorry friend, that is not the only utility of a strike corps. The strike corps or parts thereof may also be used for launching major counter attacks to regain lost territory, to stabilise an unfavorable tactical situation or even a riposte. All of these are strictly defensive actions. Basically they are a reserve available with the theater commander so he may use as the situation develops. Look at the force levels being talked about, do you think the strike corps is adequate to capture Tibet? Remember that we are talking of mountain warfare here and the force levels needed for offensive actions are very high.

I agree with you sir to the extent that reserves can be used for the purposes you indicated. And these reserves are mainly given to the defensive forces for obvious defesive purposes. You may call these reserves as the Army's strategic reserves. However, the strike corps' are in most cases than not used for offensive purposes. Your comment has merit. Accepted

 

[Tinu]

I have been trying to point out that these actions should have been carried out by 1995 if not earlier, I have given the reasons for the same. Yet you show me the dateline of some published article? How is that relevant? Anyway, I shall not argue with you any further on this.

Sir, I dont know if I believe your knowledge about things Indian Army, or the published article in a famous magazine. However, your comments do display that your knowledge about warfare is certainly not shallow, to say the least. Could've been done in 1995 but there could have been mitigating circumstances - agreed. To do things which were planned 16 years ago, now in 2011, though may be correct but the difference in implications then and implications now is certainly worth considering.

 

[Tinu]

Look at the force levels being talked about, do you think the strike corps is adequate to capture Tibet? Remember that we are talking of mountain warfare here and the force levels needed for offensive actions are very high.

Sir with due respect, All I am saying is that these forces are likely to be used against Pakistan - your contention with regard to China is right. Indian Mountain Divisions have been used with Strike Corps as part of Indian offensive against Pakistan - a fact of history. This mountain strike corps could be moved to Kashmir and with additional troops can pose substantial threat to Pakistan. Or it can be used as part of an offesive in the plains with additional tank forces against Pakistan.

I hope you agree with me

 

[Dalai Lama]

Sir with due respect, All I am saying is that these forces are likely to be used against Pakistan - your contention with regard to China is right. Indian Mountain Divisions have been used with Strike Corps as part of Indian offensive against Pakistan - a fact of history. This mountain strike corps could be moved to Kashmir and with additional troops can pose substantial threat to Pakistan. Or it can be used as part of an offesive in the plains with additional tank forces against Pakistan.

I hope you agree with me

Yes indeed, but the likelihood of a Chinese intervention is higher now (IMO) so the Strike Corps are a deterrent against China. In case of a conflict (Ind-Pak), I don't think that India would leave the northern border undefended in order to compensate for any losses on the eastern side.

 

[Tinu]

Yes indeed, but the likelihood of a Chinese intervention is higher now (IMO) so the Strike Corps are a deterrent against China. In case of a conflict (Ind-Pak), I don't think that India would leave the northern border undefended in order to compensate for any losses on the eastern side.

Agreed in case there is a two front war. When the war is against either China or Pakistan, then the spectre is completely different. There has not been a two front war since our independence. Raising of an additional strike corps with an artillery division and aviation will pose increased threat to China and Pakistan singly. I do not have any doubt in my mind about it.

 

[pmukherjee]

Sir with due respect, All I am saying is that these forces are likely to be used against Pakistan - your contention with regard to China is right. Indian Mountain Divisions have been used with Strike Corps as part of Indian offensive against Pakistan - a fact of history. This mountain strike corps could be moved to Kashmir and with additional troops can pose substantial threat to Pakistan. Or it can be used as part of an offesive in the plains with additional tank forces against Pakistan.

I hope you agree with me

My friend, that is exactly what I was trying to explain, with the dissolution of the USSR, we no longer have that luxury. China is a very viable threat now. That is just what our COAS said a year ago, we have to equip ourselves with the wherewithal to fight a war on two fronts. Your media made it sound like India was planning to attack both Pakistan and China simultaneously. The COAS stated a necessity which was obvious to all. In any future war with Pakistan, we may expect substantial involvement from China and therefore, the forces in the east should be suitably equipped.

 

[Dalai Lama]

Agreed in case there is a two front war. When the war is against either China or Pakistan, then the spectre is completely different. There has not been a two front war since our independence. Raising of an additional strike corps with an artillery division and aviation will pose increased threat to China and Pakistan singly. I do not have any doubt in my mind about it.

Tinu,
Refer to post #28 to answer your question about why a two front war is now a more likely scenario. Sorry, I forgot to mention that in my last comment.

 

[Tinu]

Tinu,
Refer to post #28 to answer your question about why a two front war is now a more likely scenario. Sorry, I forgot to mention that in my last comment.

The armies always plan for the worst case scenarios. The big powers, Russia as you have mentioned in post 28, can only influence the environment by supporting their pugilist but do not physically get involved. The pugilists have to fight wars on their own, albiet with support from their peers.

This however, did not restrict India when it moved forces from Chinese front against Pakistan in its wars with Pakistan. And it will not hinder India to move its forces from Pakistan front to the Chinese front in case of war with China. This is what I am saying. By increasingthe strength ratio and raising a new Strategic Force Headquarters supplement what I am saying.

 

[Dalai Lama]

The armies always plan for the worst case scenarios. The big powers, Russia as you have mentioned in post 28, can only influence the environment by supporting their pugilist but do not physically get involved. The pugilists have to fight wars on their own, albiet with support from their peers.

This however, did not restrict India when it moved forces from Chinese front against Pakistan in its wars with Pakistan. And it will not hinder India to move its forces from Pakistan front to the Chinese front in case of war with China. This is what I am saying. By increasingthe strength ratio and raising a new Strategic Force Headquarters supplement what I am saying.

Just a little correction, credit goes to pmukherjee for post #28.

Again, you are correct, armies do plan for the worst case scenario - "Plan for the worst, hope for the best". Also like you say, our peers Russia and China will probably not get involved in a conflict between India and Pakistan but will certainly try to influence it.

What me and pmukherjee are trying to say is that India's long term ally, Russia is no longer the power that it was in the 80's and 90's. The relationship between India and Russia now seems to be more of a equal "partnership". PAK-FA project is a testament to this. We need their systems and they need our funding, it works perfectly well. However the relationship between China and Pakistan is different. China sees Pakistan as a strategic asset and Pakistan looks to China for help on the international stage. With both countries sharing a hostile history towards India, wouldn't you say that it's only natural that India builds up her defences against both her adversaries seeing as Russia is no longer the force that it was?

Regards.

 

[tallboy123]

We are increasing out total fighter Squadron from 39.5 to 45..
and adding some new 350 heavy lift choppers..and heavy lift planes like C-17 and C-130j
these shows that we are indeed getting ready for 2front war...