Indians in outer space: Pakistan perspective

[jamahir]

Quite interesting, your disdain for software professionals whom you so dearly refer as coolies. What's up with that?

one of my interests is computing, not info. tech. and i have been designing a microprocessor, from scratch, for the last five years. i went quite high up with it two years ago.

now microprocessor design nowadays means, taking arm processor license, taking network interface license from realtek etc and giving all that to some factory in taiwan. they call that "microprocesor design" in bangalore's "fab-less hardware design" companies. the bigger bangalore companies like infosys, tcs etc don't even do that. they haven't designed an operating system or microprocessor in the 40 years of computing in india, nor will they ever. it takes a different mind. not a college degree.

what they can certainly do with a college degree is coolie work on projects from usa and britain which the citizens there don't want to do, or will charge a lot ( 100 dollars per hour minimum ). the bangalore coolies used to do it cheaply... but now they can't, because indian it industry is not getting projects from outside. and no one respects them outside of india... they are called "code monkeys" and "cyber coolies". and that is the two polite words used for them.

you are in the usa now. you can check what ibm company is called nowadays.

so lets just chill and conserve our energy for something thats worth it... cheers

agreed

 

[MilSpec]

one of my interests is computing, not info. tech. and i have been designing a microprocessor, from scratch, for the last five years. i went quite high up with it two years ago.

now microprocessor design nowadays means, taking arm processor license, taking network interface license from realtek etc and giving all that to some factory in taiwan. they call that "microprocesor design" in bangalore's "fab-less hardware design" companies. the bigger bangalore companies like infosys, tcs etc don't even do that. they haven't designed an operating system or microprocessor in the 40 years of computing in india, nor will they ever. it takes a different mind. not a college degree.

what they can certainly do with a college degree is coolie work on projects from usa and britain which the citizens there don't want to do, or will charge a lot ( 100 dollars per hour minimum ). the bangalore coolies used to do it cheaply... but now they can't, because indian it industry is not getting projects from outside. and no one respects them outside of india... they are called "code monkeys" and "cyber coolies". and that is the two polite words used for them.

you are in the usa now. you can check what ibm company is called nowadays.

Thanks for the reply. But if you dig a little more, we need to identify the reasons for this culture of inaction that we have in India, not that it doesn't exist in US too. We are a poor country with very few quality educational institutions. The product (cyber coolie as your refer) we produce is a resource, it's upto us how to utilize them. I employ a similar team (whom I call my rockstar's) in India and China which does our system modelling at a fraction of the cost it would cost me here in US. Professionalism with these engineers is unparalleled and our first pass yield for modelling related issues saw a decline of 38% overall.

If you give a young mind repetitive work lacking creativity, most will do it out of financial compulsions, I do understand your point of view, but calling them code monkeys or cyber coolies is quite distasteful even if intended as sarcasm, but that is just me.

Another example might be you, you are in the field of vlsi, we do not have companies that rival automation companies such as rockwell allen bradly, emerson, johnson contol, tyco, or endress hauser, to bring the importance of micro processors in the automation sector. But eventually with larger automation, eventually smaller automation companies will sprawl up, and technology sector will benefit from it and people like you with expertise in the topic will lead by example.

 

[wolfschanzze]

BS article.India does not base its space tech nor compare its defence tech with pakistan anymore, It has outgrown Pakistan those days are gone when both were somewhat matched and it really took off after 1965 war, the 1971 war loss for pakistan was a eye opener of the advancement of military tech.
Now not even a chance to catch up even if they keep eating grass all their lives.
Too many false flags here.

 

[jamahir]

@sandy_3126

thanks for your genuine reply.

We are a poor country with very few quality educational institutions.

money is never the problem for non-achievement. i wrote a simple microkernel operating system in 2002, in my room, on a ordinary desktop, and started a company with it later. no one had funded me with crores. compare that to the min. of. it supercomputer project where they were ready to invest Rs. 5000 crores. this was a few years ago. nothing came of it. nothing in it would have been local design.

i wanted to attach a pdf which is a research by the "india semiconductor association" about the indian computing industry, especially the "esdm" part, and why it is lacking. the file is actually too big ( 17 mb ), so it will not attach. i tried searching for it but have found a different named one. the original name is ( Semiconductor06April11_020511.pdf ). the new name is "Study on semiconductor design, embedded software...". you will find it as the first link through ( site:iesaonline org Semiconductor06April11_020511.pdf ). i think they are one and the same because the size matches... 17 mb. in it, you will see the huge number of students who leave computing courses every year. it will come to two million totally for the previous ten years. yet why no innovation?? and these students are from iit's and big time colleges with 600 acre campuses etc. so what ails them??

If you give a young mind repetitive work lacking creativity, most will do it out of financial compulsions,

not really

people spend 20 lakhs and above to get to colleges in usa, britain and above. and locally, maybe 4 lakhs or more.

Thanks for the reply. But if you dig a little more, we need to identify the reasons for this culture of inaction that we have in India

and people like you with expertise in the topic will lead by example.

believe me, it is totally impossible in the present indian system to create a company which creates something from the start. it is the culture. remember what happened to ramar pillai and his jatropha bio-fuel those 20 years ago??

 

[MilSpec]

@sandy_3126

thanks for your genuine reply.



money is never the problem for non-achievement. i wrote a simple microkernel operating system in 2002, in my room, on a ordinary desktop, and started a company with it later. no one had funded me with crores. compare that to the min. of. it supercomputer project where they were ready to invest Rs. 5000 crores. this was a few years ago. nothing came of it. nothing in it would have been local design.

It is a sad state indeed. The downfall of living in a devolping state is a state of the art technology ventures face difficulty in finding investors. You seem to be talented professional, and all I can offer is "Best of Luck"

i wanted to attach a pdf which is a research by the "india semiconductor association" about the indian computing industry, especially the "esdm" part, and why it is lacking. the file is actually too big ( 17 mb ), so it will not attach. i tried searching for it but have found a different named one. the original name is ( Semiconductor06April11_020511.pdf ). the new name is "Study on semiconductor design, embedded software...". you will find it as the first link through ( site:iesaonline org Semiconductor06April11_020511.pdf ). i think they are one and the same because the size matches... 17 mb. in it, you will see the huge number of students who leave computing courses every year. it will come to two million totally for the previous ten years. yet why no innovation?? and these students are from iit's and big time colleges with 600 acre campuses etc. so what ails them??

Again same problem, doesn't matter if you offer courses in embedded systems or metallurgy in India when there is no industry to support it. And in days of globalization to mitigate certain technology cost, some nations in the world will become hub of certain technologies. manufacturing automation and signal processing has become a german/american business (imo). There is lack of industry to sustain demands of signal processing. Similarly we wont be making cutting edge alloys as there is no application for them.

believe me, it is totally impossible in the present indian system to create a company which creates something from the start. it is the culture. remember what happened to ramar pillai and his jatropha bio-fuel those 20 years ago??

Please post a link if you can, I believe I haven't heard of him.

thanks

 

[ni8mare]

@sandy_3126

thanks for your genuine reply.



money is never the problem for non-achievement. i wrote a simple microkernel operating system in 2002, in my room, on a ordinary desktop, and started a company with it later. no one had funded me with crores. compare that to the min. of. it supercomputer project where they were ready to invest Rs. 5000 crores. this was a few years ago. nothing came of it. nothing in it would have been local design.

if this is true then why so arrogant

i wanted to attach a pdf which is a research by the "india semiconductor association" about the indian computing industry, especially the "esdm" part, and why it is lacking. the file is actually too big ( 17 mb ), so it will not attach. i tried searching for it but have found a different named one. the original name is ( Semiconductor06April11_020511.pdf ). the new name is "Study on semiconductor design, embedded software...". you will find it as the first link through ( site:iesaonline org Semiconductor06April11_020511.pdf ). i think they are one and the same because the size matches... 17 mb. in it, you will see the huge number of students who leave computing courses every year. it will come to two million totally for the previous ten years. yet why no innovation?? and these students are from iit's and big time colleges with 600 acre campuses etc. so what ails them??

you cannot blame them when you dont have industrial application sadly its our culture

believe me, it is totally impossible in the present indian system to create a company which creates something from the start. it is the culture. remember what happened to ramar pillai and his jatropha bio-fuel those 20 years ago??

sadly true

 

[jamahir]

Please post a link if you can, I believe I haven't heard of him.

thanks

actually, the story of ramar pillai ( from tamil nadu ) is funny and sad. he later turned out to be a fraud. in 1996, he claimed that he could use some plants ( jatropha, i think, or maybe another ) to replace or supplement petrol in vehicles, thus making petrol imports cheaper for the country. his claims gave him overnight publicity. and he did some demonstrations too.

the sad part is that even before his claims could be tested in government laboratories, the "scientists" from the iit's and iisc and other big institutions jumped on him, saying how could a school dropout like him with no "industry experience" claim inventing something like this.

now if that was the sole criteria for deciding someone's capability, then the college dropout, elon musk, with no "30 years experience in the aerospace industry" couldn't really have achieved so much. there are more college graduates and phds in india than the entire usa population, yet...

ramar pillai may have been a fraud but elon musk is not. you get my point, i think

as for more about ramar pillai, the open magazine has an article on him from 2010. since i can't post direct links, as above,the indirect way... ( openthemagazine com/article/business/the-herbal-fuel-druid )

if this is true then why so arrogant

edit: when i said "this was a few years ago. nothing came of it", i meant the government supercomputer project. not my project.

you cannot blame them when you dont have industrial application

working towards the application... the microprocessor and the computer it will be used in. it will be easier now ( relatively ) because of the it industry bubble burst.

edit : oh, i see what you meant. industrial application absent in india. am i right??

sadly its our culture

the culture of not taking risks and working on existing things instead of innovating, will now be challenged because of the it industry bubble burst. how else will they provide employment?? they must change

sadly true

agreed.

 

[A Town]

typical internet hindu. always comes down to money for you. how many "billions" did elon musk spend from 2002 till now?? he hasn't even put spacex on the stock markets to get more "billions".

and how many billions does top coolie, yen aar narayanmurty, have?? he constructed that 10,000 room mysore infosys campus, yes?? and how much does he have now, after ditching the failure infosys, to go play with his grandchildren??

where is the grandly announced ( as always ) "ambani aerospace"?? the ambani group had many billions, earning them off software coolies and college students.

it won't take "billions" for spacex to launch their first humans into space within two years, in the new dragon v2, sitting on top of the spacex falcon v1.1. spacex could do it because they have brains.

as for isro and its government billions and thousands of phd's and engineers...

if you want my age, look at my profile, my college-going friend.

by the way, since you are within the secret circle of top isro scientists, please ask them for me, when is the first "indian" going into space. this should be a proper vyomanonaut, not a monkey or a bangalore software coolie ( no difference ).

You said yourself that you don't consider yourself Indian as socialists like yourselves have no borders.
You come across as very pretentious.

 

[jamahir]

You come across as very pretentious.

how so?? i also bash the delusions of the irani space program and the uae space program. i bash the perverted-ness of taliban, irani ayatollahs, modern indian muslims ( burqa-beard-topi ), the gulf wahabbi, the indonesian tablighi, hamas, the usa imperialism, the chinese half-turn towards capitalism, the wastefulness of the nasa space program etc.

edit : and may i say, the man in your profile picture, bhagat singh, is one of my heroes.he was one of the earliest socialist revolutionaries in india,martyred in his 20's, died a socialist.

 

[gslv mk3]

if you want my age, look at my profile, my college-going friend.

. if some satellite weighs more than one ton, then india asks france to launch this heavy satellite through the french ariane rocket.

"gslv mark-whatever" which has once exploded on launch, and which cannot even carry two tons, maybe carry five tons in the next 10 years if there is no world war,

which rocket in question uses some stupid concept called "cryogenic technology" when others are thinking about methane propellents.

satellites are unnecessary, 99 percent of the times

even in satellite design, indian space "research" organization takes help of israel...

the gslv project is a failure. for years, they spoke of "state of the art cryogenic technology".

now, they are silently talking about "semi-cryogenics", essentially after looking at the kerosene-lox engines used in the successful falcon rockets

so the "indians" in space will at max be silly satellites, painted with "made in india".

"gslv mark-whatever" which has once exploded on launch, and which cannot even carry two tons, maybe carry five tons in the next 10 years if there is no world war,

which rocket in question uses some stupid concept called "cryogenic technology" when others are thinking about methane propellents.

satellites are unnecessary, 99 percent of the times

 

[acid rain]

how so?? i also bash the delusions of the irani space program and the uae space program. i bash the perverted-ness of taliban, irani ayatollahs, modern indian muslims ( burqa-beard-topi ), the gulf wahabbi, the indonesian tablighi, hamas, the usa imperialism, the chinese half-turn towards capitalism, the wastefulness of the nasa space program etc.

my love respects no borders, my hate respects no borders, and the lady i am chasing is catholic christian. no pretense there. only love... and lust

edit : and may i say, the man in your profile picture, bhagat singh, is one of my heroes.he was one of the earliest socialist revolutionaries in india,martyred in his 20's, died a socialist.

Bash everyone? lol, who are you the retard that runs behind every car or every vehicle on the street?.

Why? couldnt find a burqa clad bunnu begum satisfying enough for your lust that you had to run behind a kafir girl with your scrummy paws and d!ck hanging out?.

 

[acid rain]

you can start by reading about tipu sultan's rockets, and then you can change the name of the bangalore international airport to "tipu sultan airport" or something like that.



sorry, i didn't respect the outstanding glories of the ancient vedic times, when you had wireless communication and anti-gravity vimaans that could fly though the skies at 500 kms per hour.



you can start by looking at the name, which has socialist in it. but i don't think you are good at history, current affairs or even public talking.



no doubt. if you and your exalted cultured friends from the rss, ram sena, bajrang dal find me and a lady sitting in a park, you would certainly put a burning motorcycle tyre around my neck, and of course cut off the breasts of the lady. that is what you all are.

Tipu shitlans rockets? yeah I heard about - what happened after that? the shitheads couldnt come up with anything better?. I would much rather prefer naming the deposit I made in the morning in the commode after tipu shitlan.

Lol, I am sure I am streets ahead of you and dont have to put up a facade to hide the decadence of your tribe. The RSS, Bajrang dal etc cadres do it as a social service and dont make it their sole purpose in life while they pursue careers of their own.

Now compare that to the multi million strong mullah brigade or the million strong terrorists blowing up the world over or the shariah screeching, welfare eating mullahs in other countries.

Ever wonder why Muslims form the lowest strata in all countries? Now rack your socialist brain as to why is that.

 

[gslv mk3]

you can start by reading about tipu sultan's rockets

Yeah,Tipu Sultan was India's Wernher Von Braun..LMAO..

@acid rain Leave muslims out of this bro.He is a false flag.

 

[HariPrasad]

We can launch a 5 tonne LEO sat Mr Genius.And with our new LVM three,it would be 10 tonnes.

Best BS I'have ever heard on this forum. .And how many satellites have israel developed ?



Ever heard of RISAT 1 beta..??



Oh really ? FYI Cryogenic technology is already developed

Doesnt even know advantages of Semi Cryogenic engines..and think that they were developed by space X..


STFU false flag...

This capacity of 5 ton will boost significantly when we replace liquid stage with semi cryo stage. It will be aroung 7 tons and leo load will cross 15 tons.

 

[OrionHunter]

Does this guy even know what he's talking about?

Firstly, if India ever thinks of a space based weapon system it would cost billions of dollars. America's SDI, a space based weapon system known as 'Star Wars' cost the US exchequer $30 billion at 1999 rates. Which means it would cost well over $100 billion today! Would it be cost effective? Simple answer - NO!

Secondly, it is amusing to note that the author of this article thinks that India is Pakistan centric. Far from it. Pakistan is small change. The real threat we worry about is China. If ever India thinks of an SDI type of space weapons program it would be with China in mind. Not Pakistan!

This guy has been reading too much Tom Clancy fiction.