Indian weapons seized in Khyber Agency

[bloo]

Yes but your most used anti-tank weapon is the Carl Gustav M2.

Which are being replaced by M3s just like PA which is phasing out the M1s but are still using it if not predominantly along side the outdated RPG7s as your recoilless rifles.

You only have 300 Spike ATGM,

And?
With 8000 missiles on order this is just the initial order, and requirement wise it will eventually increase like it always has.
If Nag turns out to be better only then will we not need the Spikes

PA has no 3rd gen missiles at all.

the version of Milan your using was produced in 1972-1980,

India also licence produces the advanced Milan 2T and eventually when the latest Milan ER reaches production some time from now that too will be used.

Konkurs are from 1972 and are used by poor third world countries who lack the budget,

What does that have to do with anything? I realise your pathological need to hate on Indian weaponry but make sure you get your facts straight so that you don't look like a fool, but too late right.
BGM-71s are used by poor 3rd world countries too including Pakistan, are older than the Konkurs and are from 1963.
Turkey and Russia both use Konkurs, so much for your poor country theory.
Konkurs being a 2nd gen SACLOS like the BGM-71, its latest version the Konkurs-M is as good as the BGM-71Cs and higher, which both India and Russia are buying.

Svir is a couple dozen years behind the Baktar Shikan,

Get your facts straight, Baktar Shikan is nothing more than the Chinese HJ-8 which is in fact much older than the Svir.

and our BGM-71's TOW is not outdated and is one of the most popular anti-tank weapon among Europe and is still being purchased by them.

Being a 2nd gen wire guided SACLOS, it is outdated, more countries are slowly opting for the 3rd gen and fire and forget missile like Javelin, Spike, Lahat and Pars, and Pakistan has none of it.

India uses both the Lahat and the Spike and through next year Nag which too is 3rd gen ATGM will enter production.

Baktar Shikan is 2nd generation? Sir please compare specs with your "nag". The latest Nag has 230 speed and 4km range; our 2000 year version had 220 speed and and also 4km range, it just comes to prove we are a decade ahead; current version of Baktar Shikan has probably around 320 speed and 6km range.

Do refresh your facts, most wire guided SACLOS missiles are second gen ATGMs as compared to optically controlled fire and forget missiles. So yes, Baktar Shikan(HJ-8) is a 2nd gen missile which itself is a reversed engineered copy of the BGM-71s.
You can think whatever you want to but do provide a link that shows Baktar Shikan having 320m/s speed and 6km range, even though that hardly has any relevance to it being a 3rd gen.

LOL, again refresh your facts, speed and range has little to do with being 3rd generation missile.
By that standard your 1990s era Baktar Shikan is equal to the Javelin or the Chinese HJ-12.

A 3rd gen ATGM gives the soldier the ability to shoot and scoot far better than the previous generation ATGMs like the Baktar Shikan. The soldier can move immediately after firing the 3rd gen ATGM whereas a soldier using a 2nd gen ATGM has to continuously train his homing device on the tank until it hits.
Missiles like Javelin, Spike and Nag have the top attack ability wherein the missiles rise to attack from above the tank where the armor is not as advanced as from the sides.
3rd gen missiles have shaped charges which are designed specifically to take out the ERA and then the main charge destroys the primary armor.

So no, Baktar Shikan(HJ-8) is nowhere near a 3rd gen missile, and even though I usually don't go by the looks, the Baktar Shikan looks nothing like a 3rd gen missile. Sorry but its true

 

[Manindra]

You and your blank statements. Your main anti-tank weapon is the M2, your M3 version is not equivalent to the M4 just because you made it lighter.

Our older M2 weighted 14.2 kg & new one 7 kg same as M4

You have 8356 MISSLES not launchers, your current launchers number only in the 300 and "BEL and Bharat Forge" was denied ToT.

We have currently not have 8,356 missile but ordered & missile count as I don't think someone throw launcher towards tank to destroy it.
As per ToT issue

Manufacture Spike Anti-Tank Missile in Hyderabad

• By Kuganandhan Paramanandan
  | Updated: February 19, 2015 14:04 IST
• http://www.ibtimes.co.in/aero-india...announce-joint-venture-623932#ibtimes_comment
  
  
  
  
  
  Baba Kalyani, managing director and chairman of India's Bharat Forge Ltd, the world's No.2 forging company,Reuters
  Keeping in tune with 'Make in India' programme in the defence sector, Kalyani Group, owners of Bharat Forge the world's second biggest forging company, announced a joint venture (JV) with Rafael Advanced Defence System from Israel.
  
  The venture will be based in Hyderabad and Kalyani Group will hold 51% in the JV with the rest vesting with Rafael.
  
  The Spike anti-tank guided missile will be manufactured under the venture with the help of Rafael, which will transfer the necessary technology to its Indian partner. The missile will then be supplied to the Indian Armed Forces.
  
  
  
  "We believe in the vision of 'Make in India' and our proposed joint venture with Rafael is a step in this direction," The Economic Times quoted chairman of Kalyani Group, Baba Kalyani as saying on Thursday.
  
  "The government's defence focus plan gives us huge scope of work. We plan to add the group's muscle, might to the 'Make In India' plan."
  
  While the financial details of the deal have not been revealed, it is understood that Bharat Forge is set to make a substantial investment over a period of time and will manufacture high-tech systems in remote weapons and missiles.
  
  
  
  
  An undated file picture shows an Israeli soldier firing an anti-tank missile Spike-LR, manufactured by an Israeli Defense contractor.Reuters
  Kalyani noted that Rafael has been working with the Indian defence sector for over two decades and that defence production would become a strategic area for Bharat Forge.
  
  "As part of our global strategy, we form alliances to develop military applications based on our proprietary technologies," said Itzhak Gat, chairman of Rafael.
  
  "In Kalyani Group we see lot of synergy and opportunities for growth in new markets and especially in India which is a strategic market for us."
  
  The announcement was made as Asia's largest aviation expo Aero India 2015 is into its second day, with the Israeli Defence Minister Moshe Ya'alon attending the event.
  

Make in India: Bharat Forge-Rafeal JV to Manufacture Spike Anti-Tank Missile in Hyderabad

Baktar Shikan is 2nd generation? Sir please compare specs with your "nag". The latest Nag has 230 speed and 4km range; our 2000 year version had 220 speed and and also 4km range, it just comes to prove we are a decade ahead; current version of Baktar Shikan has probably around 320 speed and 6km range. Milan is old and is getting replaced by American equipment, the version of Milan you own was produced in the 1972's.

Now you are embarrassing yourself, first 3rd generation ATGM are one which have fire & forget system which your HJ-8 aka Bakhtar Shikhan don't have.
And NAG range is 7+ km (previously it deemed to 4 km but Army change the requirement)
And your Bakhtar Shikhan is also 70s technology, producing in 2015 does not make it 21 century technology.

Recently countries are replacing it. Even a rebel group UNITA deemed it unworthy. "NAG" and "Spike" Are nothing compared to

Hell, looking at the specs; they are almost equivalent to the recent versions of Baktar Shikan.

Because they are rebel , so they does not deserve expensive one.
US have Javelin, which is Spike equivalent why not they give to rebel in fact they denied it to Ukraine who himself can produce original version of you Bakhtar Shikhan
Ukraine Wants 1,000 Javelin Systems in Exchange for Nuclear Warheads

 

[shah1398]

Lol Indian themselves don't use RPG but Carl Gustav Mk 2...

Plz read the news again.Did it say that the RPGs were Indian or even Russian? It only said that along with 500 rocket launchers it also seized Indian and Russian weapons.