Indian soldiers in Singapore revolt in support of the Turks

[Steve781]

you tell me, if British were fighting for Indian people or saving their own behind from Nazis and Japanese.

Both.

 

[INDIC]

Both

Good feed for British public.

 

[KingMamba]

What about your fallow Indians who were part of British force against Punjab state or the ones who crushed Indian rebellion?

@Arya Desa is a sikh so he should be the last one talking, when Hindus and Muslims managed to unite during the first rebellion the Sikhs helped their white masters crush the rebellion.

 

[Armstrong]

If Turkey entered a war today, would Indians join us on our side?

Of course they won't; they revolted because of the Muslim angle not the 'Indian' angle and almost all of the Muslims in the British Indian Army opted for Pakistan because they were either Punjabis or Pukhtoons; the first and second largest ethnic groups of Pakistan.

@Neptune @T-123456 @Sinan @xenon54 @Hakan :

The Governor’s letter analysing the events noted that unruliness within largely Muslim units, “at a time when Great Britain was at war with Turkey, whose ruler is looked up to as the spiritual head of the Mohammedan religion, was without doubt the principal cause of the mutiny.” ( Governor of Straits` Settlements to Secretary of State for Colonies, 19 August 1915, in T.R. Sareen (ed.), Secret Documents on the Singapore Mutiny 1915 (New Delhi: Mounto Publishing House, 1995), p.709.)

 

[temp1994]

The Ottoman Empire was a major ally of Britain throughout the nineteenth century. They helped us keep Russia out of the Mediterranean. That we became enemies was their choice not ours. Britain did want Middle Eastern oil but we didn't need to divide the empire for that. We could simply have asked the Sultan for exploration rights or else got our supplies from Iran.

That was a different time. Russia and France were your Enemy while Prussia, Austria, and Ottomon were your allies. After massive industrialization of Germany, post unification, it became your primary Enemy while France and Russia became your Allies.

You wanted Iraq to separate from Ottomons, Russia wanted to regain Constantinople and establish itself as Vatican of Orthodox church + control Dardanelles.Greeks wanted to get back it's historical lands.So Ottomon became your enemies.

Arabs piggybacked on Entente offensive.

 

[atatwolf]

Of course they won't; they revolted because of the Muslim angle not the 'Indian' angle and almost all of the Muslims in the British Indian Army opted for Pakistan because they were either Punjabis or Pukhtoons; the first and second largest ethnic groups of Pakistan.

@Neptune @T-123456 @Sinan @xenon54 @Hakan :

The Governor’s letter analysing the events noted that unruliness within largely Muslim units, “at a time when Great Britain was at war with Turkey, whose ruler is looked up to as the spiritual head of the Mohammedan religion, was without doubt the principal cause of the mutiny.” ( Governor of Straits` Settlements to Secretary of State for Colonies, 19 August 1915, in T.R. Sareen (ed.), Secret Documents on the Singapore Mutiny 1915 (New Delhi: Mounto Publishing House, 1995), p.709.)

But India has still a very big Islamic population. How many millions I don't know.

 

[temp1994]

But India has still a very big Islamic population. How many millions I don't know.

13.4% of India is muslim, Close to 140 million.

 

[Steve781]

That was a different time. Russia and France were your Enemy while Prussia, Austria, and Ottomon were your allies. After massive industrialization of Germany, post unification, it became your primary Enemy while France and Russia became your Allies.

You wanted Iraq to separate from Ottomons, Russia wanted to regain Constantinople and establish itself as Vatican of Orthodox church + control Dardanelles.Greeks wanted to get back it's historical lands.So Ottomon became your enemies.

Arabs piggybacked on Entente offensive.

We had no idea what we were doing with the Arab revolt. Not only did we support two different Arab royal families (Hashemites and Al-Sauds) but we decided to give Palestine to the Jews before changing our mind twenty years later. We should have chosen one ally and stuck with it not manouveured between endless different ones.

 

[Armstrong]

But India has still a very big Islamic population. How many millions I don't know.

As much as Pakistan's in fact; unfortunately they don't figure that highly into pretty much anything according to the Sachar Committee Report barring token representation here and there.

 

[Steve781]

Good feed for British public.

Of course the Raj was run for Britain's benefit not India's. But being ruled by Japan would have been far worse considering how they behaved in the countries they conquered. 300 thousand were massacred in one city, Nanking, for example

 

[INDIC]

Of course the Raj was run for Britain's benefit not India's. But being ruled by Japan would have been far worse considering how they behaved in the countries they conquered. 300 thousand were massacred in one city, Nanking, for example

Now, that's indeed sound retard. The difference between Churchill and Hitler was that between Cancer and AIDS, and debating which disease would be less harmful.

 

[temp1994]

We had no idea what we were doing with the Arab revolt. Not only did we support two different Arab royal families (Hashemites and Al-Sauds) but we decided to give Palestine to the Jews before changing our mind twenty years later. We should have chosen one ally and stuck with it not manouveured between endless different ones.

Arabs revolted against ottomon during WW I so Entente powers supported Arabs who then started harassing ottomon supply lines. Saudi Arabia and Jordon were given to two major arab clans which supported Entente. Palestine was created for Jews and Lebonan for Christians. Syria became French protectorate and Iraq became British one.

Greek and French got some part of Anatolia but were unable to retain it.


BTW, current Arab royal family is not the same one that British installed in arabia. There were two kingdoms Hezaj and Nazd and current SA royal family is Nazedi royal family which united SA.

 

[atatwolf]

Now, that's indeed sound retard. The difference between Churchill and Hitler was that between Cancer and AIDS, and debating which disease would be less harmful.

Churchill is a bigger disease since the harms and crimes he caused is not properly written down.

Churchill would have left the Ottoman Empire alone if you hadn't joined the war on Germany's side. Maybe you should have stayed out of the war? As for Dresden, that was a response to the devastation of the Blitz. It is nothing in comparison to German atrocities against Jews, Gypsies and Slavs or Turkey's atrocities against Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians

The Brits are responsible for the biggest genocides in human history. You starved millions in India. Commited genocide on Native Americans and native Australians. I know where Armenians, Greeks and Arabs are, where are Native Americans/Australians? We all know what Hitler did in WW2 but we never read the crimes the British committed in WW2 which is probably bigger death numbers. If Hitler was succesful you would get the same monkey treatment that your victims have gotten from you. Also your argument. Hitler did blizkrieg that is why we bombed whole closely populated areas like Dresden is a lousy excuse for the crimes you committed. Try going to a judge and saying that. Hopefully one day, the crimes UK committed will be captured in modernday history books and start paying compensation to all the people from US to Asia.

 

[Steve781]

Arabs revolted against ottomon during WW I so Entente powers supported Arabs who then started harassing ottomon supply lines. Saudi Arabia and Jordon were given to two major arab clans which supported Entente. Palestine was created for Jews and Lebonan for Christians. Syria became French protectorate and Iraq became British one.

Greek and French got some part of Anatolia but were unable to retain it.


BTW, current Arab royal family is not the same one that British installed in arabia. There were two kingdoms Hezaj and Nazd and current SA royal family is Nazedi royal family which united SA.

It would have been better if the Hashemeites controlled what is now Saudi Arabia as they practiced a much less extreme form of Islam.

Churchill is a bigger disease since the harms and crimes he caused is not properly written down.

British historians can debate Churchill all they like. Unlike Turkish ones who are banned by law from criticising holy Attaturk or claiming there was an Armenian genocide.

 

[Steve781]

Now, that's indeed sound retard. The difference between Churchill and Hitler was that between Cancer and AIDS, and debating which disease would be less harmful.

Churchill is a bigger disease since the harms and crimes he caused is not properly written down.



The Brits are responsible for the biggest genocides in human history. You starved millions in India. Commited genocide on Native Americans and native Australians. I know where Armenians, Greeks and Arabs are, where are Native Americans/Australians? We all know what Hitler did in WW2 but we never read the crimes the British committed in WW2 which is probably bigger death numbers. If Hitler was succesful you would get the same monkey treatment that your victims have gotten from you. Also your argument. Hitler did blizkrieg that is why we bombed whole closely populated areas like Dresden is a lousy excuse for the crimes you committed. Try going to a judge and saying that. Hopefully one day, the crimes UK committed will be captured in modernday history books and start paying compensation to all the people from US to Asia.

There are millions of American Indians and hundreds of thousands of indigenous Australians living today. There are virtually no Greeks, Armenians or Assyrians left in much of the areas they inhabited for millenia. And what does bigger death numbers have to do with it? Who was more effective has no bearing on who was right or wrong.