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[Echo_419]

I just read through that thread and would not contest your view (even though there is very little conclusive evidence for anything )

What I am stating that dating Ramayana or Mahabharata on basis of astrology is very dangerous exercise. Firstly,Mahabharata and Ramayana are not total fiction.There are both archaeological and independent literary evidence of at least Mahabharata. Both Kaurav and Pandavas trace their lineage from Kind Bharata who is mentioned in Rig-Veda, thus Mahabharata could not be older than Rig-Veda. Apart from that, Grandson of Iskhvahu built a sacrificial pond which is present in Mainpuri district (oldest archeological proof regarding Mahabharata).

Thus, dating Mahabharata as older than Rig-Veda present serious problem. Also, as I have explained in my older handle, Brahmi, the script of Sanskrit is only 2400 Year old. Before that all these epics were transmitted orally and some errors regarding astronomical events may have crept up in retelling story of Mahabharata and Ramayana.


This thread may interest you: How is there so much archaeological proof of Ancient Jewish history and nt Hindu one - Historum - History Forums

Thx for the link

 

[TejasMk3]

Utter nonsense!
Take a look at that thread, I have posted enough proof of what India was in pre-harappan era.

I cannot post in that thread :/

Anyway, I'm not sure if you've seen this, but some of the objects there are very very similar to harrappan era stuff (Especially the part where the objects seemed like they were put through a lathe.), so perhaps harappan era is a continuation of the same civ that existed at the time, or is itself a much older civ than previously thought.

Goto 51:30, where he talks about drill bits used to create "carnellian jewellery" (among other things) and exported to places like mesopotamia, where they were highly prized.

The drill bits used made of a material called "ernestite".There is some confusion if this material is artificial or manmade, and a large amount of these drill bits are from Dholavira, where a lot of broken drill bits have been found indicating that it was part of industrial waste.

Stone Drills of Dholavira: A Multi-Faceted Analysis | Prabhakar Nandagopal - Academia.edu

Going through the series of Michael Danino's lectures at IIT, is quite interesting.

 

[magudi]

Grand Alliance possible for UP polls, says Akhilesh Yadav - The Economic Times

UP will be worse than Bihar for BJP.They have a shot only if they manage to rope in BSP

Btw will Amit Shah's term be extended ?

 

[Bitter Melon]

Grand Alliance possible for UP polls, says Akhilesh Yadav - The Economic Times

UP will be worse than Bihar for BJP.They have a shot only if they manage to rope in BSP

Btw will Amit Shah's term be extended ?

Amit Shah is here to stay for 6 years or more. There should be no doubt about it.

 

[magudi]

Amit Shah is here to stay for 6 years or more. There should be no doubt about it.

I don't see how this Gujarati take over and over centralization of decision making power in the hands of the Shah/Modi duo is helping BJP's cause in long run.I hope you are a non gujju Hindutva well wisher like me , if so why do you think Shah should continue ?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Salman Khurshid in Pak, lauds Sharif, slams Modi - The Times of India


I don't get it, is this some sort of official Congress policy now for its leaders to align with Pakistan? First Mani and now Mr Khurshid, is this at the behest of the Congress leadership?

Petty politics is one thing but this is just not acceptable- these people are selling out their nation, there are no two ways about it. Praising men (Sharif and Musharraf) who have actively played a hand in getting Indian soldiers and civilians killed- what kind of political strategy is this?


When in power (UPA) the Congress weren't at all inclined to pursue such overt gestures of "friendship" with Pakistan.

@Star Wars @Bang Galore @Guynextdoor2 @ranjeet @Echo_419

 

[It.is.all.mudi's.fault]

Grand Alliance possible for UP polls, says Akhilesh Yadav - The Economic Times

UP will be worse than Bihar for BJP.They have a shot only if they manage to rope in BSP

Btw will Amit Shah's term be extended ?

In UP ,there are not much chance of a mahagathbandhan.

Mulayam and Sonia despise each other.

Mulayam and Mayawati despise each other (and here hatred is personal).

There is very little chance of Mayawati and Mulayam coming together. Only universal prostitute ,congress, could form a mahagathbandhan with either BSP or SP, and in UP congress is even more hated than in Bihar and would be a liability to any party that allies with it.

In all probability, it would be hung assembly ,a throwback to 1990's in UP.

 

[Echo_419]

Salman Khurshid in Pak, lauds Sharif, slams Modi - The Times of India


I don't get it, is this some sort of official Congress policy now for its leaders to align with Pakistan? First Mani and now Mr Khurshid, is this at the behest of the Congress leadership?

Petty politics is one thing but this is just not acceptable- these people are selling out their nation, there are no two ways about it. Praising men (Sharif and Musharraf) who have actively played a hand in getting Indian soldiers and civilians killed- what kind of political strategy is this?


When in power (UPA) the Congress weren't at all inclined to pursue such overt gestures of "friendship" with Pakistan.

@Star Wars @Bang Galore @Guynextdoor2 @ranjeet @Echo_419

Not surprising at all.Like Churchill once said 'if tomorrow devil declares war on Hitler,I will atleast make a favorable reference to him in house of commons'.Forgive me if I got it wrong.

 

[ranjeet]

Salman Khurshid in Pak, lauds Sharif, slams Modi - The Times of India


I don't get it, is this some sort of official Congress policy now for its leaders to align with Pakistan? First Mani and now Mr Khurshid, is this at the behest of the Congress leadership?

Petty politics is one thing but this is just not acceptable- these people are selling out their nation, there are no two ways about it. Praising men (Sharif and Musharraf) who have actively played a hand in getting Indian soldiers and civilians killed- what kind of political strategy is this?


When in power (UPA) the Congress weren't at all inclined to pursue such overt gestures of "friendship" with Pakistan.

@Star Wars @Bang Galore @Guynextdoor2 @ranjeet @Echo_419

They want to be in news, I am sure after Paris attack Congress must be cursing itself for going down this route.

 

[magudi]

Salman Khurshid in Pak, lauds Sharif, slams Modi - The Times of India


I don't get it, is this some sort of official Congress policy now for its leaders to align with Pakistan? First Mani and now Mr Khurshid, is this at the behest of the Congress leadership?

Petty politics is one thing but this is just not acceptable- these people are selling out their nation, there are no two ways about it. Praising men (Sharif and Musharraf) who have actively played a hand in getting Indian soldiers and civilians killed- what kind of political strategy is this?


When in power (UPA) the Congress weren't at all inclined to pursue such overt gestures of "friendship" with Pakistan.

@Star Wars @Bang Galore @Guynextdoor2 @ranjeet @Echo_419

Why are Modi haters turning into India haters?

 

[SanjeevaniButi]

I don't see how this Gujarati take over and over centralization of decision making power in the hands of the Shah/Modi duo is helping BJP's cause in long run.I hope you are a non gujju Hindutva well wisher like me , if so why do you think Shah should continue ?

How will you like it with I call you a "brahmin" supremacist looking to take over Hindutva agenda ?

Amit Shah and Modi head the BJP because they are COMPETENT, not because they are Gujju.

And as long as Meritocracy is the rule for promotion their Linguistic or even Religion is irrelevant.

Amit Shah is a man of impeccable integrity, credibility, loyalty to the cause, and son of the soil. He is not perfect, so unless you can bring forth a perfect replacement for him, what is the point of the question ?

 

[Bitter Melon]

I don't see how this Gujarati take over and over centralization of decision making power in the hands of the Shah/Modi duo is helping BJP's cause in long run.I hope you are a non gujju Hindutva well wisher like me , if so why do you think Shah should continue ?

I trust Gujaratis more than any other community in India for their enterprising spirit and calculated risk taking habit for one...plus their unapologetic adherence to Hindu spirit and culture. I am not a Gujarati. I do not care if all the top leaders in BJP are from Gujarat. My only care is India should benefit and should emerge as the leading nation amongst nations in all fields of life. Shah has more victories under his belt than defeats and he is a guy without fear with clarity of mind rarely seen and capability to think for India as a whole rather than just be a provincial casteist clown.

Salman Khurshid in Pak, lauds Sharif, slams Modi - The Times of India


I don't get it, is this some sort of official Congress policy now for its leaders to align with Pakistan? First Mani and now Mr Khurshid, is this at the behest of the Congress leadership?

Petty politics is one thing but this is just not acceptable- these people are selling out their nation, there are no two ways about it. Praising men (Sharif and Musharraf) who have actively played a hand in getting Indian soldiers and civilians killed- what kind of political strategy is this?


When in power (UPA) the Congress weren't at all inclined to pursue such overt gestures of "friendship" with Pakistan.

@Star Wars @Bang Galore @Guynextdoor2 @ranjeet @Echo_419

They have spoken the language of Pakistan all along. MMS himself was willing to hand over Kashmir to Pakistan in the name of making borders irrelevant. Include demilitarization of Siachen too among his hare brained schemes.

 

[Abingdonboy]

They want to be in news, I am sure after Paris attack Congress must be cursing itself for going down this route.

It is pretty clear that Modi, the MEA and NSA are pushing hard for a comprehensive convention on terrorism at the UN with an exhaustive and clarified definition of "terrorism" that will leave no room for "good/bad" distinctions to be made. As unfortunate as they are, recent events are only playing into his hands and this is going to come back to bite the Congress HARD. The picture of one of their senior leaders sharing a stage with a man (Musharraf) who has actively perpetrated terrorism campaign against India will haunt them....

They have spoken the language of Pakistan all along. MMS himself was willing to hand over Kashmir to Pakistan in the name of making borders irrelevant. Include demilitarization of Siachen too among his hare brained schemes.

Please, there is little to support this. He was clearly more inclined to do a more Pakistan-Favourable deal than the current GoI but he wasn't an anti-national, not like the rest of his party.

 

[SanjeevaniButi]

I trust Gujaratis more than any other community in India for their enterprising spirit and calculated risk taking habit for one...plus their unapologetic adherence to Hindu spirit and culture. I am not a Gujarati. I do not care if all the top leaders in BJP are from Gujarat. My only care is India should benefit and should emerge as the leading nation amongst nations in all fields of life. Shah has more victories under his belt than defeats and he is a guy without fear with clarity of mind rarely seen and capability to think for India as a whole rather than just be a provincial casteist clown.

True that. I too admire Gujarati the most than any other community in India including my own.

 

[ranjeet]

Doctor Sahab ka analysis.