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[SanjeevaniButi]

Fatehpur Sikri was once a Jain pilgrimage centre: Book | Zee News

The Scientific Dating of the Ramayana | IndiaFactsIndiaFacts

More proof that Akbar never built the Fatehpur Sikri.

 

[Bitter Melon]

More proof that Akbar never built the Fatehpur Sikri.

Does it say that? I thought Fatehpur Sikri was built over Jain center.

 

[Levina]

The Scientific Dating of the Ramayana | IndiaFactsIndiaFacts

Brilliant!!!!
I found some more proof for my thread India 11,000 years back!!!

@Star Wars
9300 years comes close to 11000years back. Yayyy!!!

 

[magudi]

Subramanian Swamy seeks to reopen Mahatma Gandhi assassination case, smells conspiracy | Zee News

 

[SanjeevaniButi]

Does it say that? I thought Fatehpur Sikri was built over Jain center.

Fatehpur Sikri was built Around the Jain centre. The story of Akbar building Fatehpur Skri was always contested. Like most invaders he too just took over the site and claimed he "built" it. India has a LONG history of such fraud by Islamic invaders.

 

[It.is.all.mudi's.fault]

Brilliant!!!!
I found some more proof for my thread India 11,000 years back!!!

@Star Wars
9300BCE makes it 11300 years back. Yayyy!!!

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Hindu civilization ,with confirmed dating extending back to 3700 years (If we add Indus-Saraswati civilization to it then 6000 years), is second oldest surviving civilization on this planet. There is no need for us to embarrass ourselves by trying to stretch it on basis of astronomical calculations, in absence of any other proof.

Astronomical proofs are not considered high quality proof as there are more than one instances in which planets align in similar manner.

Fatehpur Sikri was built Around the Jain centre. The story of Akbar building Fatehpur Skri was always contested. Like most invaders he too just took over the site and claimed he "built" it. India has a LONG history of such fraud by Islamic invaders.

We should first take back Gyanwapi and Mathura temples. These claims ,which are not beyond reasonable doubt, could be pressed on later.

 

[Levina]

There is no need for us to embarrass ourselves by trying to stretch it on basis of astronomical calculations, in absence of any other proof.

Astronomical proofs are not considered high quality proof as there are more than one instances in which planets align in similar manner.

Utter nonsense!
Take a look at that thread, I have posted enough proof of what India was in pre-harappan era.

 

[SanjeevaniButi]

Hindu civilization ,with confirmed dating extending back to 3700 years (If we add Indus-Saraswati civilization to it then 6000 years), is second oldest surviving civilization on this planet. There is no need for us to embarrass ourselves by trying to stretch it on basis of astronomical calculations, in absence of any other proof.

Astronomical proofs are not considered high quality proof as there are more than one instances in which planets align in similar manner.

Carbon dating of Dwarak remains itself has show it to be more than 6000 years old.

Read up, 11000Years Old Man Made Structure Found in Indian Sea | தமிழ் வரலாறு

 

[It.is.all.mudi's.fault]

Utter nonsense!
Take a look at that thread, I have posted enough proof of what India was in pre-harappan era.

I just read through that thread and would not contest your view (even though there is very little conclusive evidence for anything )

What I am stating that dating Ramayana or Mahabharata on basis of astrology is very dangerous exercise. Firstly,Mahabharata and Ramayana are not total fiction.There are both archaeological and independent literary evidence of at least Mahabharata. Both Kaurav and Pandavas trace their lineage from Kind Bharata who is mentioned in Rig-Veda, thus Mahabharata could not be older than Rig-Veda. Apart from that, Grandson of Iskhvahu built a sacrificial pond which is present in Mainpuri district (oldest archeological proof regarding Mahabharata).

Thus, dating Mahabharata as older than Rig-Veda present serious problem. Also, as I have explained in my older handle, Brahmi, the script of Sanskrit is only 2400 Year old. Before that all these epics were transmitted orally and some errors regarding astronomical events may have crept up in retelling story of Mahabharata and Ramayana.


This thread may interest you: How is there so much archaeological proof of Ancient Jewish history and nt Hindu one - Historum - History Forums

 

[Levina]

thread may interest you: How is there so much archaeological proof of Ancient Jewish history and nt Hindu one - Historum - History Forum

Anonymous? Are you?
I will reply to your post later.

 

[ranjeet]

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[Bitter Melon]

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[It.is.all.mudi's.fault]

Anonymous? Are you?
I will reply to your post later.

Anyway I made an error in my earlier post.

Abhimanyu's son ,Parishkrit, is oldest proven character of Mahabharata. Probably, other character of Mahabharata are not mentioned in other literature as Mahabharata has been regarded as authoritative text by Hindus.

Crossposting: (not my post)

As for the Parikshit, I can't recall the entire argument right now but let me narrate whatever I can recollect right now. In Atharva veda samhita there is mention of Kuru king named Parikshit who was a ruler of prosperous kingdom (rashtra) and who is hailed as raja visavajanina(universal king). Aitareya and Satapatha Brahmana mentions the another king named Janamejaya bearing the patronymic of Parikshita (son of Parikshit). The vedic Parikshit had four sons - Janamejaya, Ugrasena, Bhimasena and Srutasena. Matsya Purana also mentions that Janamejaya had three brothers - Srutasena, Ugrasena and Bhimasena. Further more according to Aitareya Brahmana a priest named Tura Kavasheya who performed Ashwamedha sacrifice on behalf of Janmejaya. Bhagavata Purana also mentions the purohit of Janmejaya with same name ie Tura Kavasheya. Besides epic Janamejaya also achieved digvijaya ie he also performed Ashwamedha). There are many other links confirming the association of Vedic and Puranic Janamejaya, that I can't recall right now (such as Janamejaya's quarrel with Brahmins, Kuru genealogy of subsequent kings etc). From this much information it is for sure that Puranic Janamejaya and his father are basically the same as the one mentioned in Vedic literature.

Now it depends whether we should consider Vedic Parikshit and Janamejaya as real ones given mythical appearance in Purnaic literature or mythical one from the beginning adopted as such by Puranic literature as conceived in Vedic literature. I personally think that Vedic characters are real ones - as it just narrates the usual information - a great king and his priest and brothers and so on. Except for the fact that Parikshit has been described as divine being, there isn't anything that makes them non human in nature. And judging from history monarch being described as divine being isn't unusual anyway.

As for the archaeological corroboration as far as I know there is none. However as par the Puranas, during the reign of Nichakshu, 3rd or 4th in line of succession from Janamejaya, Hastinapur was washed away by the great flood at Ganges and as such the capital was shifted toKausambi. Based on the various evidence such as genealogy and list of teachers in vedic literature, early Kuru kings are put between 11th-9th century BCE. Archaeological excavations at Hastinapura by BB Lal indicates that it suffered a great flood during the same time period. So probably the story has some turth in it.


The great serpent sacrifice at Takshashila by Janamejaya known as sarpa satra is obviously mythical one without any historical basis however it is clear the story had its prototype in the satra mentioned in Vedic literature. The original tale mentioned in Panchavimsa Brahmana (or in some other vedic text, I am not sure) narrates mythical ritual performed by serpents to gain immortality, with a serpent named Janamejaya acting as a priest. The same story after some changes appears in Baudhayana dharma sutra where serpent kings and princes appeared at Khandava prastha (in kuru country) for sacrifice in human form to obtain venom with a serpent named Janamejaya being one of them. Funnily enough when it appeared in its final form in epic literature the kuru king Janamejaya was performing serpent sacrifice, however the object was the extinction of serpents and not the serpents gaining immortality or venom!!!


Oldest archealogically/historically proven real life character in the Hindu mythology - Page 2 - Historum - History Forums

 

[magudi]

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Hmm means there are 4% Hindu terrorists still out in the open !!!!!!!!

 

[ranjeet]

Hmm means there 4% Hindu terrorists out in the open !!!!!!!!

Intolerance ka shaandar Chauka.