Indian Navy Outgunned As China Launches Its Biggest Destroyer

[AUSTERLITZ]

Finally, a Chinese major warship that Indian Navy has no equivalent. 055 trumps anything Indian Navy can throw.
I know Indian will use a drawing board cruiser to try compete with a newly launched 055 warship.


Self delusion. PLAN can enter IO at will and sink any IN warship whenever China likes. We have powerful warship like 055 while IN has nothing to match.

Lol.You thing having a greater missile load makes u invincible?
Kolkata's MF-STAR israeli radar is better,its ACTAS atlas elktronik active towed array sonar is better,the brahmos is also better than any missile the chinese have(particularly after the removal of range restrictions and increase range from 500-700 kms) and finally chinese don't have anything comparable to the barak-8 which is in the class of aster.
As for Kolkata class,there is enough space to easily double the number of barak-8s as necessary during a refit.

You have built a powerful ship no doubt,but it gives you no great advantage in ASW at all,u think u can sail into IOR with an armada and hope to survive when IN will shatter u from all 3 directions- surface of the sea with our surface fleet with brahmos and klubs,from the air P-8 poseidons with harpoons and sukhois from andaman and south india carrying brahmos in salvoes.And from underwater kilo and akula with klub,scorpene with exocets.Andaman is our unsinkable carrier we can control the shipping in the entire region basing land- based anti-ship missiles as well as sukhois there(backed up by those from south india).A few more missiles on a bigger ship doesnt change the fact that any armada entering IOR with hostile intentions will be faced with a overwhelming attack from 3 dimensions.
So better pipe down and focus on uncle sam in the scs,because if war breaks out it will not be american carriers that will break you it will be the USN SSN fleet that will slaughter PLAN.

Feel free to pop up once in a while with a couple of subs or a ship in the IOR to get some PR and catch some headlines,reassure pakistani fanboys u exist as a factor in the IOR however illusory that may be,but don't get delusional on trying to challenge IN in IOR,u have enough on your hand in scs as it is.Try that and not only will you fail regardless of if u have a 20,000 tonne cruiser but will also drive India completely to the US camp,and complete the strategic encirclement of china.

 

[kris]

If you have read much about Chinese armaments, you may want to remove/replace this from your post?

Sure I will..
Surprise me please

That is a big change of stance for Indians [Read sour grapes]. All along we hear that how small of a potato Pakistan is is and our real competition is with China and now this. I like the change!

China is not a competitor in Indian ocean......
Are you trying to act smart?? Not enough
Give one more try

 

[nang2]

Sure I will..
Surprise me please

You can simply compare what is used on China's 052C destroyers for long range air defense with Barak-8. Check both the range and the speed. Such information is available on wiki.

 

[kris]

Lol.You thing having a greater missile load makes u invincible?
Kolkata's MF-STAR israeli radar is better,its ACTAS atlas elktronik active towed array sonar is better,the brahmos is also better than any missile the chinese have(particularly after the removal of range restrictions and increase range from 500-700 kms) and finally chinese don't have anything comparable to the barak-8 which is in the class of aster.
As for Kolkata class,there is enough space to easily double the number of barak-8s as necessary during a refit.

You have built a powerful ship no doubt,but it gives you no great advantage in ASW at all,u think u can sail into IOR with an armada and hope to survive when IN will shatter u from all 3 directions- surface of the sea with our surface fleet with brahmos and klubs,from the air P-8 poseidons with harpoons and sukhois from andaman and south india carrying brahmos in salvoes.And from underwater kilo and akula with klub,scorpene with harpoons.Andaman is our unsinkable carrier we can control the shipping in the entire region basing land- based anti-ship missiles as well as sukhois there(backed up by those from south india).A few more missiles on a bigger ship doesnt change the fact that any armada entering IOR with hostile intentions will be faced with a overwhelming attack from 3 dimensions.
So better pipe down and focus on uncle sam in the scs,because if war breaks out it will not be american carriers that will break you it will be the USN SSN fleet that will slaughter PLAN.

Feel free to pop up once in a while with a couple of subs of a ship in the IOR to get some PR and catch some headlines,reassure pakistani fanboys u exist as a factor in the IOR however illusory that may be,but don't get delusional on trying to challenge IN in IOR,u have enough on your hand in scs as it is.Try that and not only will you fail regardless of if u have a 20,000 tonne cruiser but will also drive India completely to the US camp,and complete the strategic encirclement of china.

It's a potent air denial/ anti access ship.
Posedions might not work well against it

You can simply compare what is used on China's 052C destroyers for long range air defense with Barak-8. Check both the range and the speed. Such information is available on wiki.

Sorry to burst your bubble....
Barak -8 is the only missile capable of intercepting all types of missiles including brahmos...

Hq-9 used in type 52d is for area denial/ anti air missions

No comparison between both

 

[tw00tw00]

Lol.You thing having a greater missile load makes u invincible?
Kolkata's MF-STAR israeli radar is better,its ACTAS atlas elktronik active towed array sonar is better,the brahmos is also better than any missile the chinese have(particularly after the removal of range restrictions and increase range from 500-700 kms) and finally chinese don't have anything comparable to the barak-8 which is in the class of aster.
As for Kolkata class,there is enough space to easily double the number of barak-8s as necessary during a refit.

You have built a powerful ship no doubt,but it gives you no great advantage in ASW at all,u think u can sail into IOR with an armada and hope to survive when IN will shatter u from all 3 directions- surface of the sea with our surface fleet with brahmos and klubs,from the air P-8 poseidons with harpoons and sukhois from andaman and south india carrying brahmos in salvoes.And from underwater kilo and akula with klub,scorpene with harpoons.Andaman is our unsinkable carrier we can control the shipping in the entire region basing land- based anti-ship missiles as well as sukhois there(backed up by those from south india).A few more missiles on a bigger ship doesnt change the fact that any armada entering IOR with hostile intentions will be faced with a overwhelming attack from 3 dimensions.
So better pipe down and focus on uncle sam in the scs,because if war breaks out it will not be american carriers that will break you it will be the USN SSN fleet that will slaughter PLAN.

Feel free to pop up once in a while with a couple of subs of a ship in the IOR to get some PR and catch some headlines,reassure pakistani fanboys u exist as a factor in the IOR however illusory that may be,but don't get delusional on trying to challenge IN in IOR,u have enough on your hand in scs as it is.Try that and not only will you fail regardless of if u have a 20,000 tonne cruiser but will also drive India completely to the US camp,and complete the strategic encirclement of china.

Is this according to your dorky Hindu media?

MF-Star is an inferior system operating only in a single band (S-band) with no stealth detection capabilities. The new Chinese destroyer has quad-band radars operating in L, S, C, and X bands with greater range, stealth protection, and ballistic missile defense capabilities.

BrahMos is simply a neutered P-800 Onix with reduced range. It's an ancient design. Too bulky and too short-legged. Crucial guidance and propulsion subsystems still have to be imported from Russia for assembly. The Chinese DH-2000 has a range in excess of 1500km with 500kg warhead.

Barak-8 is decidedly inferior to HQ-9. Barak-8 has a range of only 90km and has a puny 60kg warhead. HQ-9 has a range of 200km with a 180kg warhead.

Most importantly, none of the above is an indigenous Indian system. That's the biggest problem. India has to buy everything at hugely exorbitant prices. These imported systems are subject to embargoes, diluted specs, export restrictions, price-gouging etc. In the event of a war, they can't even be replaced and repaired quickly. Where is India's indigenous defense industry? How can any patriotic Indian take pride in such a lack of indigenous capabilities?

Of course, India can always buy better upgrades from the Russians, the Israelis, the French, the Germans, the Dutch, the Swedes, the British, and the Americans. Trust me, they will be laughing all the way to the bank. Go ahead, be my guest.

 

[Storm Force]

Those Chinease Destroyers are being built to Fight the USN .................. not the Indians

 

[nang2]

Sorry to burst your bubble....
Barak -8 is the only missile capable of intercepting all types of missiles including brahmos...

Hq-9 used in type 52d is for area denial/ anti air missions

No comparison between both

I see you have made up your mind. I won't argue with you.

 

[Sliver]

Isn't all the bold part true for China and US equations?

this thread is about India- china comparison. I was only stating that China had outgunned India a long time ago. Thats a fact and am sure most Indians agree that even if they do so grudgingly.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Is this according to your dorky Hindu media?

MF-Star is an inferior system operating only in a single band (S-band) with no stealth detection capabilities. The new Chinese destroyer has quad-band radars operating in L, S, C, and X bands with greater range, stealth protection, and ballistic missile defense capabilities.

BrahMos is simply a neutered P-800 Onix with reduced range. It's an ancient design. Too bulky and too short-legged. Crucial guidance and propulsion subsystems still have to be imported from Russia for assembly. The Chinese DH-2000 has a range in excess of 1500km with 500kg warhead.

Barak-8 is decidedly inferior to HQ-9. Barak-8 has a range of only 90km and has a puny 60kg warhead. HQ-9 has a range of 200km with a 180kg warhead.

Most importantly, none of the above is an indigenous Indian system. That's the biggest problem. India has to buy everything at hugely exorbitant prices. These imported systems are subject to embargoes, diluted specs, etc. In the event of a war, they can't even be replaced and repaired quickly. Where is India's indigenous defense industry? How can any patriotic Indian take pride in such a lack of indigenous capabilities?

Of course, India can always buy better upgrades from the Russians, the Israelis, the French, the Germans, the Dutch, the Swedes, the British, and the Americans. Trust me, they will be laughing all the way to the bank. Go ahead, be my guest.

Are u talking about capability or indigeneous design.2 are different things.

Brahmos is a modified onyx and onyx is the best russians have until the new hypersonic zicron comes online.At least know what u are talking about DH-10 is land attack cruise missile ,not an anti ship missile.

I'll take israeli tech over chinese tech anyday,so would the chinese if usa allowed them.The kolkata class also has L-Band and D-band radars to compliment it.

Please ,just inform urself on Barak -8 ,HQ-9 is an old s-300 derivative designed mostly to take out aircraft at long ranges.Barak-8 is dedicated sea skimming cruise missile killer,far lighter ,far more nimble and HQ-9 can't even engage sea skimmers properly due to altitude limitations.Only thing in class of barak-8 is aster and new US SM blocks.

And the ATLAS sonar is superior,chinese ASW capability has always been its weakest point.

 

[Dash]

The new Chinese destroyer has quad-band radars operating in L, S, C, and X bands with greater range, stealth protection, and ballistic missile defense capabilities.

Can you please tell me how a multi band radar operation is superior to 4 active arrays in S band? And under what circumstances ?

 

[tw00tw00]

Are u talking about capability of indigeneous design.2 are different things.

Brahmos is a modified onyx and onyx is the best russians have until the new hypersonic zicron comes online.At least know what u are talking about DH-10 is land attack cruise missile ,not an anti ship missile.

I'll take israeli tech over chinese tech anyday,so would the chinese if usa allowed them.The kolkata class also has L-Band and D-band radars to compliment it.

Please ,just inform urself on Barak -8 ,HQ-9 is an old s-300 derivative designed mostly to take out aircraft at long ranges.Barak-8 is dedicated sea skimming cruise missile killer,far lighter ,far more nimble and HQ-9 can't even engage sea skimmers properly due to altitude limitations.Only thing in class of barak-8 is aster and new US SM blocks.

And ofcourse the ATLAS sonar is far superior,chinese ASW capability has always been its weakest point.

DH-2000 is derived from DH-10 for the new Chinese destroyer. It has a 500 kg warhead with 1500+km range. So you don't know what you're talking about.

But hey, keep reading and believing your dorky Hindu media. It's really entertaining. And most importantly, keeping buying from the Russians, the Israelis, the Swedes, the Dutch, the Brits, the Germans, the French, and the Americans.

 

[nang2]

Please ,just inform urself on Barak -8 ,HQ-9 is an old s-300 derivative designed mostly to take out aircraft at long ranges.Barak-8 is dedicated sea skimming cruise missile killer,far lighter ,far more nimble and HQ-9 can't even engage sea skimmers properly due to altitude limitations.Only thing in class of barak-8 is aster and new US SM blocks.

It seems to me that Barak-8 wants to be a missile for all. I am not sure I like this kind of one-size-fit-all design philosophy. HHQ-9 is certainly not for anti-ship missiles. Anti-ship missile usually gives defenders not much time to react because it skims at sea level. If I were the designer, I wouldn't use VLS-launch missile to knock them down. A more nimble and faster reacting missiles like HQ-10 work better.

 

[tw00tw00]

Can you please tell me how a multi band radar operation is superior to 4 active arrays in S band? And under what circumstances ?

X-band is better for target tracking and illumination because it has superior resolution.

L-band is great for quickly scanning large volumes of space and detecting the approach of stealth targets because current stealth fighters are not designed to evade L-band radars.

S and C bands are for tracking non-stealth targets at great ranges with adequate resolution, even good enough to produce a firing solution.

Combining L, S, C, X bands together, you have a system that can detect, track, and lock on any target in any scenario.

 

[nang2]

Can you please tell me how a multi band radar operation is superior to 4 active arrays in S band? And under what circumstances ?

The new destroyer also has 4 active arrays in S band. Other bands are just extra mechanism for detection.

 

[Tom99]

The Indian Navy is Outgunned As China Launches Its Biggest Destroyer

This naval ship is build to protect China's Hainan island from the Vietnamese. The posters on the Vietnam Defense forum is talking about attacking and might even invade Hainan:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/vietnam-defence-forum.211882/page-696

Beside, the Indian navy is way too powerful for China anyway.