Indian Navy News & Discussions

[Abingdonboy]

IN currently operates only 35 Sea King...I think this number will not increase more than 60...

So the IN Medium helo fleet will almost double?-good if true given number of new platforms being indicted in next decade. I still feel 60 is a very small number especially taking into account maintence and accidents.

But i heard the present sea king fleet is being modernized....

This is okay but these platforms are VERY old and are being/have been deommisoned in most operators in the world. These birds have done good service to their nation and should be allowed to go quietly instead of trying to eck out every last mile as with Mig 21, Cheetah,Cheetak etc - this is good for no one.

Nobody said IN is leasing, its saying ICG....

^^^ already stated #1325

 

[Archie]

IN currently operates only 35 Sea King...I think this number will not increase more than 60...


Thats a nice question, i hope deal is signed in 2011. There is also a deal for some 60 LUH.....

But i heard the present sea king fleet is being modernized....


Nobody said IN is leasing, its saying ICG....

Well u are mostly correct
However LUH Deal is only for 56 choppers meant to replace ageing fleet of 51 Alloutte 3 curretly in service
The contract for this chopper will most likely go to Navalised version of LUH which win's the joint army/IAF tender for 197 LUH , and which could be announced later this yr
Frankly , I expect Eurocopter Fennec to win this tender , while navy could go for Eurocopter Puma , WHICH IS ALSO OPERATED BY FRENCH NAVY

As far as ASW Helicopters is concerned , well the initial contract is only expected to be for 16 Helis with an option for as much as 60 such copters

I can guarantee that India will place the follow on order , though not imidiately but maybe after induction of the first batch in 2014-15

Thats coz Navy not only has to replace 35 odd Seakings but also 7 Ka-25 and 13 Ka-28 helicopters which though were inducted in early 1990s but are expected to be phased out by 2022-25 after 30 yrs in service

Initial batch of 16 ASW Helis will replace 18 odd Sea Kings which will retire by 2015 while remaining 17 Sea Kings which are being upgraded will serve till 2022

 

[sancho]

Yes but what is the timeline? will they be inducted in time for Vikramditya? IAC 1? 2? 5?!! and surely 60 is not enough to replace ALL ASW Sea Kings in IN service? And what about the Sea Kings used for general transport and as a SOAR for MARCOs (those with "X" on side)? will they be replaced, or is this ASW specific?

+btw the leasing the vid mentions is for ICG

A timeline in Indian defense procurements? That's a good one buddy!

This tender is not different from others, it was issued, scrapped and re-issued again. The initial tender was for 20 helicopters, but more are likely and they are not meant only for the carriers, but for frigats as well.

Here you can see the IN air arm:

Indian Naval Air Arm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Abingdonboy]

A timeline in Indian defense procurements? That's a good one buddy!

This tender is not different from others, it was issued, scrapped and re-issued again. The initial tender was for 20 helicopters, but more are likely and they are not meant only for the carriers, but for frigats as well.

Here you can see the IN air arm:

Indian Naval Air Arm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I didn't think they were just for ACC but I just thought if IN is indicting their most advanced/powerful/importsnt surface vessels they would want the best equipment (HELOS + FIGHTERS) flying off them. It is a real shame that is dent seem either the Vikramditya or IAC 1 will have any of these Helos.


+ any news on the IN RFI for GLOBAL HAWK (it would complement P-8i and FireScout, if purchased, perfectly):
Indian Navy Interested in Northrop Grumman MQ-4C Maritime Surveillance Unmanned Aircraft Systems | India Defence

 

[angeldemon_007]

So the IN Medium helo fleet will almost double?-good if true given number of new platforms being indicted in next decade. I still feel 60 is a very small number especially taking into account maintence and accidents.

Don't worry 60 won't suffice....i think 60 is meant to overcome the shortage and up-gradation of present fleet....by 2015 IMRH is supposed to be ready and there will be a naval version also...so i think these 60 are meant to meet the immediate requirement only...there might be more purchases after 2015-2016...

This is okay but these platforms are VERY old and are being/have been deommisoned in most operators in the world.

On the contrary many countries are upgrading them...

However LUH Deal is only for 56 choppers meant to replace ageing fleet of 51 Alloutte 3 curretly in service

Sorry, i just rounded it...

As far as ASW Helicopters is concerned , well the initial contract is only expected to be for 16 Helis with an option for as much as 60 such copters

Its true, but i think the follow-on order in this case is inevitable because IN has to replace its fleet just like IAF and IA.

Initial batch of 16 ASW Helis will replace 18 odd Sea Kings which will retire by 2015 while remaining 17 Sea Kings which are being upgraded will serve till 2022

thanx for this info...

I didn't think they were just for ACC but I just thought if IN is indicting their most advanced/powerful/importsnt surface vessels they would want the best equipment (HELOS + FIGHTERS) flying off them. It is a real shame that is dent seem either the Vikramditya or IAC 1 will have any of these Helos.

I don't think 60 helos will meet the requirement for proposed 3 ACs and 4 amphibious warships alone, forget about the 100 warships and submarine planned to be build during this decade....

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/30869-india-plans-build-100-warships.html

 

[jha]

 

[sancho]

I didn't think they were just for ACC but I just thought if IN is indicting their most advanced/powerful/importsnt surface vessels they would want the best equipment (HELOS + FIGHTERS) flying off them. It is a real shame that is dent seem either the Vikramditya or IAC 1 will have any of these Helos.

They will when they will be available, but then the Russian helicopters might serve in the ASW role on the carriers as well, which would make much sense in terms of commonality, because the Ka 31 will be the AEW helicopter anyway.

 

[sudhir007]

Livefist: Goa Hosts US Navy Los Angeles-class SSN

The USS La Jolla, a Los Angeles-class nuclear powered fast attack submarines docked at Goa a couple of days ago on a goodwill visit.

 

[jha]

Livefist: Goa Hosts US Navy Los Angeles-class SSN

The USS La Jolla, a Los Angeles-class nuclear powered fast attack submarines docked at Goa a couple of days ago on a goodwill visit.

I am all for American planes in every tender provided US gives us a couple of these..

On a serious note , this is a really big development if looked at from different perspective..

 

[jha]

TOGNUM receives follow up order for Indian Coast guard

MTU Series 4000 engines to be main propulsion units for 20 Indian Coast Guard fast patrol vessels
MTU “Callosum” automation system for propulsion control and ship monitoring
Order value: medium two-digit million euro range

The specialist for propulsion and power solutions Tognum has received a substantial follow-up order for the delivery of MTU engines and automation systems for 20 new vessels of the Indian Coast Guard. The value of the contract, which has been signed by the Tognum subsidiary MTU Asia, is in the medium two-digit million euro range. The delivery of the total of 60 engines will be between 2011 and 2014. In 2009, Tognum has already signed two deals for engines and automation systems for the Indian Coast Guard with a total value of 32.5 million euro.

The Series 4000 engines produced in Friedrichshafen will be supplied to the Cochin Shipyard Ltd. in the southern-Indian city of Kochi. The 20 new inshore fast patrol vessels are to be powered by triple type 16V 4000 M90 engines with an output of 2,720 kW (3,648 bhp) each. In combination with waterjet drives, they will propel the vessel at speeds up to 35 knots (65 km/h). The systems to be supplied for the 48-meter patrol vessels include the MTU “Callosum” ship automation system with an integrated solution for monitoring all ship’s services that also incorporates fire detection and extinguishing systems.

Tognum receives substantial follow-up order for Indian Coast Guard: Tognum AG

 

[Abingdonboy]

Can any explain to me why the Rafele is considered unfit for the Vikramdatiya and IAC in STOBAR configuration when it is actually SMALLER than the Mig 29k. It has been said the Rafale was unfit many time as it was much larger and heavier than Mig 29k but looking at the specs tell a different story:
Mig 29k

Crew: One
Length: 17.3 m (57.76 ft)
Wingspan: 11.99 m (39.34 ft)
Height: 4.40 m (14.44 ft)
Wing area: 43 m² (462 ft²)
Loaded weight: 18,550 kg (40,900 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 24,500 kg (54,000 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Klimov RD-33MK afterburning turbofans, 9,000 kgf (88.3 kN, 19,800 lbf) each
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 2+ (2,200 km/h, 1,370 mph) / At low altitude: Mach 1.2 (1,400 km/h, 870 mph)
Ferry range: 2,000 km (1,240 mi) / 3,000 km (1,860 mi) with 3 drop tanks
Service ceiling: 17,500 m (57,400 ft)
Rate of climb: initial 330 m/s, average 109 m/s 0-6000 m[37] (65,000 ft/min)
Wing loading: 442kg/m² (90.5 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 0.97

Rafele

Crew: 1–2
Length: 15.27 m (50.1 ft)
Wingspan: 10.80 m (35.4 ft)
Height: 5.34 m (17.5 ft)
Wing area: 45.7 m² (492 ft²)
Empty weight: 9,500kg (C), 9,770kg (B),[88] 10,196kg (M) ()
Loaded weight: 14,016kg (30,900 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 24,500kg (C/D), 22,200kg (M)[89] (54,000 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Snecma M88-2 turbofans
Dry thrust: 50.04 kN (11,250 lbf) each
Thrust with afterburner: 75.62 kN (17,000 lbf) each
Performance
Maximum speed: **High altitude: Mach 2 (2,390 km/h, 1,290 knots)[88]
Low altitude: 1,390km/h, 750 knots
Range: 3,700+ km (2,000+ nmi)
Combat radius: 1,852+ km (1,000+ nmi) on penetration mission .
Service ceiling: 16,800 m (55,000 ft)
Rate of climb: 304.8+ m/s (60,000+ ft/min)
Wing loading: 306kg/m² (62.8 lb/ft²

note thrust and take off weight

 

[sancho]

Can any explain to me why the Rafele is considered unfit for the Vikramdatiya and IAC in STOBAR configuration when it is actually SMALLER than the Mig 29k. It has been said the Rafale was unfit many time as it was much larger and heavier than Mig 29k but looking at the specs tell a different story:

Not sure who, or where it's said to be unfit, the only real difference is, that the Mig can fold it's wings which means you can store more of them side by side.

 

[southpaw]

1) Is there a statement from MoD?
2) What is the next step after this?

 

[udiptoghsh]

has any one seen the pictures of uss independence,then the italian and french navy's FREMM class frigates, the swedish visby class or the french navy's la fayette class frigate?????THEY ALL LOOK AWESOME AND DEADLY!!!!!
why dont the indian shipbuilding docks,or the design engineers of the ship make something like that for the INDIAN NAVY...!!!(offcourse not on the cost of the quality..or any other core security systems)

 

[udiptoghsh]

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