Indian Media Discloses Dismal Performance of SU-30MKI Fighters During Kashmir Skirmish

[gulli]

No F16 was lost, all of them were displaced. Abhinandhans Bison had all the four missiles intact when it was shot down.
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Yeah.. all 4 stool are intact.

 

[Ghost Hobbit]

Full marks for creativity in invoking Gandhian non-violence as an excuse for not responding after being humiliated militarily by Pakistan.

Revoking 370 is a win how exactly? Because it sets the stage for a demographic genocide of the Kashmiris?

So you're celebrating setting the stage for demographic genocide in Indian Occupied J&K, correct?

what kind of denial are you in man? You call it genocide only to suit your new narrative and the fact that on the larger objective you completely failed?
Kashmir is 'integrated' and like all Indian terrirtories anyone can move in and stay in/ go out. If I can buy a flat in Bangalore, no reason why I shouldn't buy one in Gulmarg (I MOST DEFINITELY WILL)

While you are discussing these ridiculous discussions like the ones started by @Windjammer , fact is that Modi did what he said he would. You think he's gonna bother about a Mig 21? There are bigger issues at stake and when Modi moved on it, the entirety of PA and Govt could do nothing.

And yes, what Nawaz Sharif stalled for years Imran Khan achieved in a few months.

 

[gulli]

It's about the entire system, tactics, training and how well various packages operate with each other and within the network in a combat environment, not just a specific platform.

The SU-30 (Russian or Chinese) is a great machine. But it (or the F-16 or JF-17) did not and will not operate in isolation of other systems.

In reality even US will not place F-16 in front of SU-30. They know there capable most fighter pilot will eject..

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

what kind of denial are you in man? You call it genocide only to suit your new narrative and the fact that on the larger objective you completely failed?
Kashmir is 'integrated' and like all Indian terrirtories anyone can move in and stay in/ go out. If I can buy a flat in Bangalore, no reason why I shouldn't buy one in Gulmarg (I MOST DEFINITELY WILL)

While you are discussing these ridiculous discussions like the ones started by @Windjammer , fact is that Modi did what he said he would. You think he's gonna bother about a Mig 21? There are bigger issues at stake and when Modi moved on it, the entirety of PA and Govt could do nothing.

And yes, what Nawaz Sharif stalled for years Imran Khan achieved in a few months.

So please explain, what changes tangibly with 370 revocation, other than allowing India to commit demographic genocide of the Kashmiris in Indian Occupied Kashmir?

 

[Ghost Hobbit]

So please explain, what changes tangibly with 370 revocation, other than allowing India to commit demographic genocide of the Kashmiris in Indian Occupied Kashmir?

You're quite free to spin it whichever way you want to...helps only so much. Kashmir chapter is closed. Even Imran Khan and Bajwa know it. So they decided better to buy sugar than beat a dead horse.



hey @Windjammer you want us to pack and ship you a few more MIS 21s buddy ? I hear we're retiring a few. You can cook a story of heroism around that too.

 

[Windjammer]

what kind of denial are you in man? You call it genocide only to suit your new narrative and the fact that on the larger objective you completely failed?
Kashmir is 'integrated' and like all Indian terrirtories anyone can move in and stay in/ go out. If I can buy a flat in Bangalore, no reason why I shouldn't buy one in Gulmarg (I MOST DEFINITELY WILL)

While you are discussing these ridiculous discussions like the ones started by @Windjammer , fact is that Modi did what he said he would. You think he's gonna bother about a Mig 21? There are bigger issues at stake and when Modi moved on it, the entirety of PA and Govt could do nothing.

And yes, what Nawaz Sharif stalled for years Imran Khan achieved in a few months.

Hey stray, i know i haunt you even in your sleep but the thread wasn't started by me.
BTW, I wonder what was the main objective by dishing out AMRAAM Dodger patches to those Agni Pankh Patils who showed less resistant and nerve than a Dakota Driver.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

You're quite free to spin it whichever way you want to...helps only so much.

Changing the demographics of UN recognized occupied & disputed territory without the consent of locals is demographic genocide - no matter how you spin it.

So, essentially, anyone celebrating said demographic genocide of Kashmiris is a degenerate like Modi.

The spike in online searches from India on 'how to get/marry a Kashmiri girl/woman' is pretty illustrative of how many pathetic, genocidal degenerates reside in India and what the goal of revocation of 370 is.

Hey stray, i know i haunt you even in your sleep but the thread wasn't started by me.
BTW, I wonder what was the main objective by dishing out AMRAAM Dodger patches to those Agni Pankh Patils who showed less resistant and nerve than a Dakota Driver.

He's a degenerate celebrating India's demographic genocide of Kashmiris in Indian Occupied Kashmir.

If Europe can ban holocaust denial, I don't see why this forum should tolerate Indians celebrating demographic genocide of Kashmiris.

 

[Baibars_1260]

Lolx everyone ? Like who ? Baguette eating frenchies ?

Like at Dien Bein Phu ( Link ) ?

Or in France itself...
When the Armee de l' air had their rears handed to them by the Luftwaffe.

Why Did the French Air Force Fail in 1940?

Shortages of aircraft and pilots are often cited, but a lack of leadership and misunderstanding of how best to employ air power were the root causes.

www.historynet.com

 

[Windjammer]

hey @Windjammer you want us to pack and ship you a few more MIS 21s buddy ? I hear we're retiring a few. You can cook a story of heroism around that too.

Although PAF is known to be biggest distributor of IAF spare parts....none the less....
Who knows how to benefit from their MiGs more than the Indians...during service, give them the distinction of a flying coffin and after crashing them, paint them in PAF colours and keep a billion dense souls amused.

He's a degenerate celebrating India's demographic genocide of Kashmiris in Indian Occupied Kashmir.

If Europe can ban holocaust denial, I don't see why this forum should tolerate Indians celebrating demographic genocide of Kashmiris.

Not sure if it's new policy or some sort of clemency period but lately this forum has left the gates open for these creatures to make their habitual racket .

 

[Baibars_1260]

hey @Windjammer you want us to pack and ship you a few more MIS 21s buddy ? I hear we're retiring a few. You can cook a story of heroism around that too.

Thank you ! One condition... ship
them with more, Abhinandans, Nachiketas, Brijpal Sikands, Sengupta, Rampal
( Link )
We need more exhibits for our museums. We don't mind the tea bills. The revenue from our museums more than makes up for the cost .

 

[Ghost Hobbit]

Hey stray, i know i haunt you even in your sleep but the thread wasn't started by me.
BTW, I wonder what was the main objective by dishing out AMRAAM Dodger patches to those Agni Pankh Patils who showed less resistant and nerve than a Dakota Driver.

Come come windy, and here I was thinking we were good friends . Why so hostile my dear, dear buddy?

 

[Srinivas]

Mobilizing Brahmos to carry our missile strikes in an act of frustration because the IAF was soundly beaten by the PAF is hardly the hallmark of a nation acting responsibly.

From PAF side 24 aircrafts along with Air defence n/w and AWACS concentrated on a single point at LoC, on Indian side 2 Su 30 MKIs were airborne on a routine patrol. Still you could not do any thing on that day. This incident happened days after India raided Balakot. India acted responsibly in this regard.

Such a shame for the 'Raptor of Asia' that it had no firing solution against the PAF. Those days were amusing when the Indians used to boast that a single 'Raptor of Asia' could take out 10 F16's.

As said earlier Su 30 MKI's dodged more than 5 AMRAAMS on that day, when they are preparing to counter attack every thing went cold after the chase from Indian MIGs.
the note here is F16's are running towards PAF bases after failed AMRAAMS and ammunition which should have hit the targets. On that day IAF did not engage with full force, one of the reason is IAF is mobilizing the PAF went cold.

Wait do Indians still believe that despite getting debunked multiple times? I must say, Modi is lucky to have a population like India who believe everything Modi tells them. Nobody in India critically analyzed that if the MIG21 shot down an F16, how were all his A2A missiles recovered intact?

I gave my observations, I believe in IAF evidence of Radar signatures rather than the flip flops of DGISPR and the pakistani propaganda which denied a fighter aircraft was shot down in 1971 srinagar air raid on IAF base only to take 180 deg uturn and accept the loses.

Its good to impose the No Fly Zone because we didn't want a situation like what happened with the Ukrainian Airline in Iran. The only country that panic was India as they shot down its own chopper.

My sincere condolences for the 8 souls that lost their lives due to Modi's adventurism.

Pakistani establishment went into panic mode, because they know their misadventure did not have the impacts they have desired and IAF counter punched and IAF have right to retaliate.

The helicopter incident is acknowledged and those martyred have given last rights as per protocol. Mistakes do happen.

So why didn't they? Do you want us to believe that India didn't destroy PAF's assets out of the goodness of their hearts? hahahaa

Barking dogs don't bite

PAF went cold before IAF started counter offensive.

 

[Ghost Hobbit]

Thank you ! One condition... ship
them with more, Abhinandans, Nachiketas, Brijpal Sikands, Sengupta, Rampal
( Link )
We need more exhibits for our museums. We don't mind the tea bills. The revenue from our museums more than makes up for the cost .

why? @Windjammer has said he wants open a sapres store. So why will the people matter?

 

[Raider 21]

Every one except some pak people denied that. Is it your wet dream ?

Watch the language there Frenchie. Have a discussion.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Correct. We were ok with 'Tea is fantastic' becoming Global Meme'. 'Save kashmir' etc. didn't when we scrapped Article 370.

As for Su engagement- it's called using brain to engage for the higher objective. Something both the Pak govt and PAF didn't seem to have in feb. They engaged in theatrics and lost Kashmir.

If you are ok with the meme and in process becoming the laughing stock of the world, then you lot are not only cowards but low on self esteem as well.

You can scrap or add whatever you want on the piece of paper which is worth nothing to Pakistan or outside world for that matter. Fact remains, nothing , absolutely nothing has changed on the ground. Pakistan is controlling every single inch of Kashmir it has. Where as you lot have done nothing but to alienate the Kashmiris further in IOK, even pro India politicians have turned against you. Above all, Kashmir remains a internationally recognised disputed territory.

I dont know what "brain" you are talking about, the primary objective of any air force is to defend its air frontiers, not to run with tails tucked firmly between legs within own air space.