Indian LCA Tejas Or Pakistani JF-17: Who Is Winning The Malaysian Fighter Jet Contract?

[VkdIndian]

Lol this from a character who is only good at posting emojis to show support to his country fellows.
Now if one of your obnoxious countryman gets his kicks by slagging others and you are taking it to heart then you obviously need some help too. Nowhere did i ever claimed that I'm some retired AVM or if i ever served in the PAF.....you obviously missed my reply where i pointed out that i was 12 when i left Pakistan....and yes sitting in UK, one does have more resources and access than your average Anil sitting somewhere in India. Lol.

Nothing wrong in behaving with dignity like a retired defence officer. You don’t want to do it then that’s your choice.

You are again deflecting the topic and subject. In this entire thread I have not used any obnoxious language at anytime against anyone.
Like a stuck tape you keep claiming “your countrymen”. Do you take responsibility of all green flags? If you do then you are not as smart as you claim.

This is a forum and each one is for his own here.

Coming to emojis, is it not allowed? You can report it to the admins.

If you see carefully I display my likes and dislikes to anyone and everyone not restricted to any particular flag. It is a little more for Indian flags though. Do you have that courage of conviction? I haven’t seen yet.

It seems that inspite of being in a country with more resources and opportunities you seem to be more hatred filled and narrow minded than quite a few Anils, Khans, John’s and Singhs sitting in this part of the world.

Grow up a little dude and do some justice to the opportunities that you claim to have got.

 

[Fighting Falcon 01]

Not refuting the purchase. It's just no one has yet seen its integration and test firing from J17 yet seeing it's not a secret anymore. Even Mirage V or F7 could carry them. Or paf could also have ground launched cruise version missiles of it. Or it signed the agreement which is true but did not get delivered or its waiting to be integrated with block 3.

Bottomline is there are a lots of if and buts reg Cm400 with JF17.

So 100 missiles were ordered in 2017 or 2018 and 4 years later it has not been delivered or integrated with Jf17 really?? This assumption of yours is based on what fact ? Traditionally PAF is always secretive about high end weapons and projects so it is possible that the weapon is ready to use but not yet unveiled to public.......

 

[Windjammer]

Nothing wrong in behaving with dignity like a retired defence officer. You don’t want to do it then that’s your choice.

You are again deflecting the topic and subject. In this entire thread I have not used any obnoxious language at anytime against anyone.
Like a stuck tape you keep claiming “your countrymen”. Do you take responsibility of all green flags? If you do then you are not as smart as you claim.

This is a forum and each one is for his own here.

Coming to emojis, is it not allowed? You can report it to the admins.

If you see carefully I display my likes and dislikes to anyone and everyone not restricted to any particular flag. It is a little more for Indian flags though. Do you have that courage of conviction? I haven’t seen yet.

It seems that inspite of being in a country with more resources and opportunities you seem to be more hatred filled and narrow minded than quite a few Anils, Khans, John’s and Singhs sitting in this part of the world.

Grow up a little dude and do some justice to the opportunities that you claim to have got.

Trouble reading.....let me help you..... no one has accused you of using any foul or obnoxious language.....however what i said was that it's your countryman who kept calling me retired AVM and all else and you obviously proved to be a case of blind leading blind and believed all his nonsense....so no points for guessing who has taken responsibility of all the Tiranga holders.
And you have been on this forum barely a few months so please stop dishing out your rules and beliefs to those who are here for decade and more or as they say, one should learn to walk before trying to run.
If you must then serve your wisdom to your own crowd who often bring their table manners to the forum.

 

[VkdIndian]

JF-17 can’t track a target more than 200 Km due to radar limitation but it can fire at a target more than 200 Kms. And missile will find out a target more than that range on its own and then track it too.

You claimed this new technique of firing a BVR.

I never said that. I merely am just hyping it up because why not. It's gonna be a real powerful combo (pl15 + pl10 + Klj7a).

In your earlier post you were hyping it up. Your own words.I hope you know what is the meaning of creating a hype. You are creating a hype and expect others to lap it up?

Are you that retarded to not see the pl15 has an active seeker warhead which means it doesn't need the radar of the JF17 or any other jet for that matter to track the target? Up until a certain point in the pl15s flight, its own ARH will activate. It will track the target by its self. Hence why its fire and forget. The Klj7a will aid the pl15 to a certain range before the pl15 tracks the target by itself further increasing the range.

Then you claimed this technique of firing a PL-15.

This is coming from the person who doesn't even know how an ARH missile even works. Let alone thinking the tejas is better than the jf17. You have no room to talk.

@MirageBlue asked you few things about ARH and you answered with ‘I think it has”. You thought has become the source of info here. It might work on a forum discussing art and craft but not where we are talking about aircraft capabilities.
The technique you claimed that a ARH can be launched was straight out of thin air.

First you launched AMRAAM without a lock then you backtracked later realising that such a capability doesn’t exist with PAF.

PAC resource that you quoted talks of aonly Russian engine. Did I deny that? NO
For WS engine you claimed a video. Now please don’t tell me that random YouTube videos are the sources you rely on.

I saw it on Google somewhere hang on.


Ah shid it's an arma 3 post regarding the AMRAAM. Disregard sorry

You should be saying this for quite a lot of stuff you have claimed in this thread.

Some of it has been flagged above. Considering your lengthy unstructured posts it is not possible to show it to you here. But you know.

And you have been on this forum barely a few months so please stop dishing out your rules and beliefs to those who are here for decade and more or as they say, one should learn to walk before trying to run.
If you must then serve your wisdom to your own crowd who often bring their table manners to the forum.

See. This is what I was talking about. Your criteria of few months has made you start judging me. By that criteria you should be a little more balanced and dignified. But you start showing different colour in every alternate post.

Your own crowd? I thought you shifted to Union Jack long time back for better opportunities. Considering this fact your concept of your crowd and my crowd makes me worry if you didn’t get the opportunities that you claimed to have got.
Horizons appear a little narrow for the opportunities that you got.

 

[Windjammer]

See. This is what I was talking about. Your criteria of few months has made you start judging me. By that criteria you should be a little more balanced and dignified. But you start showing different colour in every alternate post.

Your own crowd? I thought you shifted to Union Jack long time back for better opportunities. Considering this fact your concept of your crowd and my crowd makes me worry if you didn’t get the opportunities that you claimed to have got.
Horizons appear a little narrow for the opportunities that you got.

You obviously have some comprehension issues alas poor innovations can not be nurtured.
And if you just remain focused on one pointing finger then you will obviously remain oblivious to the spectrum in the distant galaxy.
I have been here longer and have countered plenty of internet warriors from across the border and have visited Indian forums that are nothing more than echo chambers where one who insults or is more abusive towards Pakistan and Pakistanis gets all the cream so let's not ride the Moral Mule to score some Brownies.

 

[VkdIndian]

I have been here longer and have countered plenty of internet warriors from across the border and have visited Indian forums that are nothing more than echo chambers where one who insults or is more abusive towards Pakistan and Pakistanis gets all the cream so let's not ride the Moral Mule to score some Brownies.

I disagree.

 

[drunken-monke]

@Huffal
Dude why you wasting your time and energy with these fanboys. You must remember that these losers are used to their own forums which are nothing more than echo chambers. For most of them, PDF is first contact with outside world so naturally they are desperate to prove their worth and in process end up splashing their brains....these Indians get Goosebumps even when a solitary aircraft performs so called vertical Charlie on their Republic Day....even then it's hardly visible to naked eye.
As for JF-17 Vs Tejas, here are some basics.....see how JF-17 can go ballistic as soon as wheels are off ground without even retracting it's landing gear....while Tejas, after take off and retracting it's landing gear, has to run the full stretch of the runway before pulling up.....something even the 50 year old Mirages can perform.

JF-17 Performing in an earlier PAS .

Dear Windy,

In first video of Jf17, the jet was airborne in 19 sec after it started taxying.
In second video of Jf17, the jet was airborne in 18 seconds after it started taxying.
In video of Tejas, the jet was airborne in 11 seconds after it started taxying.

So basically Tejas requires 7 to 8 secs less than Jf17 to go airborne.
Can you elaborate the advantages and disadvantages of this difference for either of aircrafts.

 

[Tornado23]

You claimed this new technique of firing a BVR.



In your earlier post you were hyping it up. Your own words.[emoji1318][emoji1318]I hope you know what is the meaning of creating a hype. You are creating a hype and expect others to lap it up?


Then you claimed this technique of firing a PL-15.


@MirageBlue asked you few things about ARH and you answered with ‘I think it has”. You thought has become the source of info here. It might work on a forum discussing art and craft but not where we are talking about aircraft capabilities.
The technique you claimed that a ARH can be launched was straight out of thin air.

First you launched AMRAAM without a lock then you backtracked later realising that such a capability doesn’t exist with PAF.

PAC resource that you quoted talks of aonly Russian engine. Did I deny that? NO
For WS engine you claimed a video. Now please don’t tell me that random YouTube videos are the sources you rely on.



You should be saying this for quite a lot of stuff you have claimed in this thread.

Some of it has been flagged above. Considering your lengthy unstructured posts it is not possible to show it to you here. But you know.

See. This is what I was talking about. Your criteria of few months has made you start judging me. By that criteria you should be a little more balanced and dignified. But you start showing different colour in every alternate post.

Your own crowd? I thought you shifted to Union Jack long time back for better opportunities. Considering this fact your concept of your crowd and my crowd makes me worry if you didn’t get the opportunities that you claimed to have got.
Horizons appear a little narrow for the opportunities that you got.

You claimed this new technique of firing a BVR.



In your earlier post you were hyping it up. Your own words.[emoji1318][emoji1318]I hope you know what is the meaning of creating a hype. You are creating a hype and expect others to lap it up?


Then you claimed this technique of firing a PL-15.


@MirageBlue asked you few things about ARH and you answered with ‘I think it has”. You thought has become the source of info here. It might work on a forum discussing art and craft but not where we are talking about aircraft capabilities.
The technique you claimed that a ARH can be launched was straight out of thin air.

First you launched AMRAAM without a lock then you backtracked later realising that such a capability doesn’t exist with PAF.

PAC resource that you quoted talks of aonly Russian engine. Did I deny that? NO
For WS engine you claimed a video. Now please don’t tell me that random YouTube videos are the sources you rely on.



You should be saying this for quite a lot of stuff you have claimed in this thread.

Some of it has been flagged above. Considering your lengthy unstructured posts it is not possible to show it to you here. But you know.

See. This is what I was talking about. Your criteria of few months has made you start judging me. By that criteria you should be a little more balanced and dignified. But you start showing different colour in every alternate post.

Your own crowd? I thought you shifted to Union Jack long time back for better opportunities. Considering this fact your concept of your crowd and my crowd makes me worry if you didn’t get the opportunities that you claimed to have got.
Horizons appear a little narrow for the opportunities that you got.

Why are you quoting yourself?

'In your earlier post you were hyping it up. Your own words.[emoji1318][emoji1318]I hope you know what is the meaning of creating a hype. You are creating a hype and expect others to lap it up?'

I'm merely doing what you and your fellows do. Don't recall 'muh tejas with python 5 and Derby er reeeee'. Please don't try to act like the bigger man. Lmao.

'Then you claimed this technique of firing a PL-15.'

It's not new

'Sometimes the launching platform (especially if it is an aircraft) may be in danger while continuing to guide the missile in this way until it 'goes active'; In this case it may turn around and leave it to luck that the target ends up in the projected "acquisition basket" when the missile goes active. It is possible for a system other than the launching platform to provide guidance to the missile before it switches its radar on; This may be other, similar fighter aircraft or perhaps an AWACS.'

Active radar homing - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

' @MirageBlue asked you few things about ARH and you answered with ‘I think it has”. You thought has become the source of info here. It might work on a forum discussing art and craft but not where we are talking about aircraft capabilities.
The technique you claimed that a ARH can be launched was straight out of thin air.'

Oh gee I got something wrong hurr durr. I didn't realise the AMRAAM may or may not have had LOAL hurr durr that discredit everything I say. If that's ur logic then you have no credit. You have nothing. You don't even know the active seeker on the pl15 tracks it's target on its own ffs.

'First you launched AMRAAM without a lock then you backtracked later realising that such a capability doesn’t exist with PAF.'

I also used the aim 120c7 as an example. Such a missile also doesn't exist in the PAF.

If you still don't understand, I wasn't using the capabilities of the PAF as an example. Learn to read. 60iq.

Also yea it can be launched without the launch aircraft gaining lock on the enemy aircraft. That is called awacs guiding it to the bogey. Lemme guess. It doesn't exist according to you? [emoji23]


'PAC resource that you quoted talks of aonly Russian engine. Did I deny that? NO
For WS engine you claimed a video. Now please don’t tell me that random YouTube videos are the sources you rely on.'

Oh shut up. You were being vague af when crying about the quotation for the ws13 engine. You even failed to see that I still linked you the source I used for it.

Here you go again since you missed it.

CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunder - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Thrust-to-weight ratio - dasbestelexikon.de

en.linkfang.org

'You should be saying this for quite a lot of stuff you have claimed in this thread. '

Ok Mr ARH missiles can't track a target on its own after a certain range.

Or even better. Mr tejas is better than the JF17.

 

[SABRE]

Has the Malaysian team arrived in India yet?

 

[dbc]

Dear Windy,

In first video of Jf17, the jet was airborne in 19 sec after it started taxying.
In second video of Jf17, the jet was airborne in 18 seconds after it started taxying.
In video of Tejas, the jet was airborne in 11 seconds after it started taxying.

So basically Tejas requires 7 to 8 secs less than Jf17 to go airborne.
Can you elaborate the advantages and disadvantages of this difference for either of aircrafts.

I hope you know you can't compare raw performance based on youtube videos.
Plus thrust response of Russian engines is known to be poor. The JF17 has to spool its engines on the run way for a while before it can reach max thrust. This does shorten time in the air and so pilots are careful not to use too much power and fuel allowing considerable roll before rotating.

On max power I'd expect the JF 17 will require less runway v the Tejas.

 

[Cookie Monster]

I hope you know you can't compare raw performance based on youtube videos.
Plus thrust response of Russian engines is known to be poor. The JF17 has to spool its engines on the run way for a while before it can reach max thrust. This does shorten time in the air and so pilots are careful not to use too much power and fuel allowing considerable roll before rotating.

On max power I'd expect the JF 17 will require less runway v the Tejas.

Off topic...but I've been meaning to ask if u have any updates...regarding the rumors/whispers of a damaged Su30MKI that managed to land(or something along those lines...I forgot how exactly u had worded it).

 

[Windjammer]

Dear Windy,

In first video of Jf17, the jet was airborne in 19 sec after it started taxying.
In second video of Jf17, the jet was airborne in 18 seconds after it started taxying.
In video of Tejas, the jet was airborne in 11 seconds after it started taxying.

So basically Tejas requires 7 to 8 secs less than Jf17 to go airborne.
Can you elaborate the advantages and disadvantages of this difference for either of aircrafts.

Whatever else, I believe that an aircraft which can quickly gain or reach altitude will be both out of harms way and in a better position to counter any threat.

 

[dbc]

Off topic...but I've been meaning to ask if u have any updates...regarding the rumors/whispers of a damaged Su30MKI that managed to land(or something along those lines...I forgot how exactly u had worded it).

..repaired and returned to service.

 

[Cookie Monster]

..repaired and returned to service.

Hmm so my guess is...the AMRAAM exploded in proximity...damaging it
...but the aircraft could somewhat compensate bcuz of it's FCS.
...difficult but doable...I remember reading about an F15 that lost a wing...and still managed to land. Requires some great FCS and amazing piloting skills.

 

[VkdIndian]

Or even better. Mr tejas is better than the JF17.

Good. You got it finally.