Tornado23
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Don’t sound frustrated and disheartened.
Tejas has been inducted after initial hiccups. What was the hiccup? That IAF didn’t want to choose an aircraft that had not been fully developed as per its requirements. Does that mean that it was not as good as JF-17?
NO.
PAF inducted the JF with multiple deficiencies too. Why did it induct them? Because PAF had no other choice. With US not willing and coffers empty it had to take the JF route to survive.
On the contrary India could buy aircraft from various manufacturers across the world. The Congress government failed in providing that support and induct them in time leading to depleted squadron strength in IAF.
This aspect has been discussed threadbare on the Tejas thread multiple times so don’t rake it up again here. Please visit the thread amd do your research.
It sucks yes. For you all. For us it is doing well.
Yes I have seen multiple posts on PDF claiming JF to have a combat range of 1500 Kms. It hasn’t been confirmed by anyone on PDF with little professional credibility. It’s claim of being better than even F-16 in range is nothing but a BS.
Limited? What do you mean by that? What is the limit you want exceeded? What BVRs JF has that have no limit?
Your not approving UTTAM has no meaning.Uttam is coming up well and would be the backbone of all upcoming fighters being developed in India.
Don’t sound frustrated and disheartened.
Tejas has been inducted after initial hiccups. What was the hiccup? That IAF didn’t want to choose an aircraft that had not been fully developed as per its requirements. Does that mean that it was not as good as JF-17?
NO.
PAF inducted the JF with multiple deficiencies too. Why did it induct them? Because PAF had no other choice. With US not willing and coffers empty it had to take the JF route to survive.
On the contrary India could buy aircraft from various manufacturers across the world. The Congress government failed in providing that support and induct them in time leading to depleted squadron strength in IAF.
This aspect has been discussed threadbare on the Tejas thread multiple times so don’t rake it up again here. Please visit the thread amd do your research.
It sucks yes. For you all. For us it is doing well.
Yes I have seen multiple posts on PDF claiming JF to have a combat range of 1500 Kms. It hasn’t been confirmed by anyone on PDF with little professional credibility. It’s claim of being better than even F-16 in range is nothing but a BS.
Limited? What do you mean by that? What is the limit you want exceeded? What BVRs JF has that have no limit?
Your not approving UTTAM has no meaning.Uttam is coming up well and would be the backbone of all upcoming fighters being developed in India.
The 'deficiencies' in the JF17 blk1 was no where near the same as of those in the tejas MK1. Firstly it could actually turn. Tejas could not. Secondly it was actually inducted. Tejas wasn't. Thirdly it met constant support and development which led to the timely arrival of the block 2 which had already solved all those 'deficiencies'.
With the tejas, all we got is an example of development hell, mixed with poor execution. Its a frankenstein of a jet, that is said to be indigenous. You have a delta winged Air craft that has huge amounts of drag acting on it, sluggish turn time and a poor development history. How long did it produce and order your tejas mk1a?
First revealed and flew in 2001. Inducted in 2015...14 years.
JF 17? First flew 2003. Inducted 2007. 4 years. That's a pretty big difference mate.
No choice? We could've easily turned to the Chinese and bought off the shelf fighter jets. But we wanted our own. Something we can manufacture to save money and also export to make some extra cheddar cheese on the side.
Also yeaaaa it doing so well isn't it... Talk to me when it actually sees combat.
Claims of the 1500km range? Huh?
Claims of combat range is 1352km and that's with drop tanks I'm pretty sure, w/o using after burner possibly. I'm not to sure on the after burner part. I agree to an extent its somewhat debatable although someone did the math on pdf a long time ago regarding its range. Imo I would put it somewhere around 850-1000km combat range with 3 drop tanks.
What do i mean by limited bvr? I mean range. Your best bvr the tejas can fire is the astra mk1. A pure aim 120c5 copy with a range similar to that of the aim 120 c5. 105km-110km. Jf 17s current best bvr is the pl12/sd10a with 100km and 38g pull intercept. Although in literally less than a years time the first blk3 will land changing it to the pl15 with a quoted 250-350km range. Completely out ranging ALL ur a2a missiles even the ones that are currently in development hell.
Also ur stand off weaponry game is weaker than the jf 17s.
Anti shipping missile capability
Tejas can use kh59mk with a reported 115km to 200km range cruising at mach 0.88.
JF 17 uses Cm400akg with a 250km+ range which attacks its target at mach 4+
Next ashm
Tejas uses kh35 with a 130km range traveling at mach 0.95
Jf 17 uses the cm802a and cm802akg and c705.
Cm802 a range 180km, mach 0.9
Cm802akg reported 250km range
Cm705 170km range
Then we got A2G missiles
Tejas
Spice 2000, 40km range
HSLD 30km range max. Literally seems like an lgb.
Drdo glibe bombs 100km range
SAAW 100Km range
Jf17 uses
H4 140km range
H2 60km range
LD 10 ARM 80km
CM 102 100km range
MAR 1 100km range
RAAD 2 600km range
GB6 60km range
Takbir 100km range.
Do I need to say more?
Then with the uttam radar. Lol again at that.