Indian Iran Collaboration & Pakistan's Failure To Build Power Base In GCC:---

[MastanKhan]

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[Kambojaric]

IMO, it was a great smart decision. We already have ethnic divisions, last thing we want is sectarian divisions.

Our enemies like India would've love that opportunity by presenting the fight in Yemen as Sunni govt plus Sunni states vs Shia population. They would've easily hijack the minds of our Shia population, not to mention when Pakistani soldiers get killed in the war by opposing groups who are Shia, many terrorists groups in Pakistan would've attacked our own Shia populations. Creating even more divisions.

Sorry, I completely disagree with op. IMO joining the nonsense war would've been like handing Pakistan to bhart on a plate for a meal.

Agreed. No amount of money can justify even more internal instability. The Americans offered many billions for us to join the War on Terror. Where did that get us.

Further GCC countries will hardly stop their relations with India for the sake of Pakistan, that much is obvious. Just because they are pro-Pakistan does not mean they are anti-India. At the end of the day they view both as partners, no matter how much we kid ourselves that if we had "only done a little bit more they would be on our side completely". The same goes for Iran.

 

[melb4aust]

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Hi,

I have changed the title to India / Iran collaboration---check out my views on page 4:---

National crisis don't happen in ether and neither do conflicts between two nations who have already been at war---. There are precursors and happenings in real time that appear which would lead to what is coming at you in the future---.

When the Yemen crisis started---the GCC with the permission of west asked pak military to take charge and head off the insurgency---.

That was a shocking moment for india and momentarily it did not comprehend how west would allow pakistan to present its military force in the GCC and take charge of the area---. How could america and UK allow pakistan to establish multiple military bases in the gulf countries and change the power structure---.

A pakistani military base in Oman would be critical to indian interests because it would placed adjacent to the indian coastline across the ocean---a military base in Emirates would deeply influence emirati public's opinion shifting towards pakistan and same for the bases in Bahrain and saudia---. That would be a total catastrophe for indian foreign policy and towards indian occupied kashmir---.

So a plan was devised on a fastrak to counter this proposal---. India approached pakistan media personalities and gave them huge sums of money---they approached some politicians who were on the take and gave them financial assistance and they indirectly approached the politicians who had a soft corner for iran---.

Thus started the campaign against troop buildup and movement to GCC with certain slogans and keywords---. The reason for this campaign was to create a wedge between the GCC and pakistan permanently and separate pakistan from other influential muslim countries---.

This opportunity became the precursor to what was to come years later if the plan succeeded in its implementation to create the division and differences---.

It started with " we are not a mercenary army "---" you have spent so much money on weapons now fight your own wars "---" we are not on your payroll that you ask us to jump and we will "---" shias are our brothers we don't have a bone of contention in this conflict "---a declaration of solidarity with iran came thru---pakistan declared we will not interfere in anyone's conflict at all---" your problem---you handle it "---became the pakistani mantra---.

India was ecstatic at the pakistani publics response---it was way beyond their expectations---they never imagined that the pakistanis would go that far and openly show hatred towards the GCC---openly degrade insult and humiliate the GCC---openly target the militaries of GCC as cowards and incompetent---.

This hatred had gone way beyond the wildest imaginations of the indian planners and the insiders report that there was a momentary shock of disbelief at the highest echelons of power in india---at how badly pakistan had faltered at this god given opportunity---.

On the other hand---the west could not believe what it was seeing---. The west had placed the GCC on a platter and given it to pakistan to build up on the only usable industry that it had---build up its economy and resource and with the resulting increase of military strength and power projection---it would be in a far better position to resolve its boundary issues with its arch enemy india---.

The west thought that pakistani leaders and military would understand the TRUE reason behind the gesture and would jump on it without hesitation to do what it had wanted for the last many decades to be financially economically and militarily strong to resolve the kashmir conflict while solving the Yemen crisis---.

From their experience---the west knew that the experience that the pak military had in containing insurgency back home---they would succeed in containing the yemen insurgency in a professional and ethical manner and contain the damage to life and property as they had shown in Fata---.

But all plans come crumbling down when the horse does not want to drink water---. CONTD

@BATMAN @war&peace @Mangus Ortus Novem @Irfan Baloch @Khafee

Insurgency from Syrian extremist would have followed into Pakistan as a result.

Pakistan was already fighting a war with TTP and was in no position to open another front with ISIS or any of such extrimist organizations.

Many of blunders happened in past, it's best to learn from your mistakes and move forward. Focus should be on future strategies to tackle the enemy with every possible opportunities that may come across.

 

[I.R.A]

Did india plan it with iran to be a partner in this game to separate pakistan from the herd then to corner it and neuter it---once neutered---military weakened then see if a shia revolution could be brought into pakistan and a weaker pakistan snatched up by iran---.

In my opinion, iran must have planned it with india. indians love sheikhs secretly, they have this inferiority complex when it comes to sheikhs.

What threat Pakistan poses to india? In reality do we have any ambitions of invading indian main territory and snatching it from them? Can we? Except for Kashmir, Pakistan has no other major dispute with india, all our 72 years of life, we have kept that defensive posture, built our defenses to counter india, our strategies are limited to how can we thwart a full scale invasion .... cold start Nasr ........ so why should or why would india feel threatened by Pakistan? They know how to fool us whenever they want and wish.

Now why would iran do that?

To answer this one needs to be aware of little bit of history ...... persian hatred for Arabs and their religion is something similar (in nature) to extremist hindu's hatred for Pakistan. As the extremist hindu wishes to change everything Muslim to some hindu god .... same thing persia did, altered the history, constructed parallel religion, intrigues, assassinations and what not. In nutshell Majority iranians cannot live with the historic defeat at the hands of Arabs, they want their empire back. Syria, Palestine, Iraq they wanted those back. Now can they directly threaten Arabs? Yes they can, but what stops them ..... a sunni majority sitting right next to them with nukes. Pakistani Shiites are a gullible people, for iran an iranian sunni is more important than a Pakistani shiite.

Why would Western powers allow Pakistan to come to help Arabs with the Yemen conflict? Well they have some 70 years of dealing with us, they know our real mentality .... and they don't feel threatened by it. Neither they mind Pakistan getting economically and financially stable and stronger during all this .... for them whenever they would need they can make Pakistan a non Nato ally. An army that they can be used under UN missions' umbrella (which in fact are nothing short of renting your army) whenever there is another black hawk down.

Pakistanis talk of Israeli pilots, would they be there in the first place if Pakistan was in Yemen? Just imagine ... what absence of Israel's support would mean for india ....... Had Pakistan been in Yemen, Israel won't go against anything Pakistan ...... and plus IK could have fulfilled that jobs promise.

 

[BATMAN]

Palestinians became major haters of Pakistan after black September operation by then Brig zia
Yasir Arafat was Pro india since then and their stance on kashmir was pro india too

I agree with you. Arabs are now emotionless merchants they treat india as their equal partners pakistanis are just temp labour

Zia wasn't brigadier at the time, he was at max. major. i have forgotten the name of brigadier, someone else may help. Black September you may call but the story is not how you are trying to portrait it. At the same time, I believe destabilizing any state is a larger crime.
I never heard Yasir Arafat speaking against Pakistan.

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A bit off topic, he's also on record saying people would be bore of democracy after the rule of Imran Khan and a new governance system may emerge.

 

[925boy]

If American soldiers can fight in Syria Iraq Afghanistan Vietnam for American interests why Pakistani soldiers can't fight in Yemen for the betterment of Pakistan

When you say betterment i assume you mean financial betterment right?