Indian forces arrest more than 1,000 protesters in Kashmir

[waz]

You forgot that all the rights in any country are reserved for Citizens. If these 'folks' are claiming that they want Aazadi, they don't think that they are Indian citizens in the first place. Where the question of 'Rights' arise then?

Some do, many don't, some don't care.

 

[Paksanity]

We Indians really don't need Pakistani level IQs because even if we try we cannot attain it.

Don't bother

 

[Royal Blue007]

Yes, arrest all protestors. In virtually all democracies the right to protest is a valuable right that is given to people.
I'm sure people will come back that they are all "stone throwers", of course they would be. It gives the forces the opportunity to silence all opposition.

We are not killing them in the name of RAW agents! Are we??
Better think about your house before looking at neighborhood

 

[Solomon2]

@Solomon2 does this bring back any memories for your people?

No two situations are exactly alike. My grandparents and their cousins were disenfranchised and murdered - slaughtered en masse like cattle in an abbatoir. The Germans active psychopathy ended with the Nazi defeat. Jewish survivors ended up in DP camps. However, given an ideology that promotes psychopathy to a wide population, even without government support, similar results can be attained, given time:

Needed: Peace in Kashmir
by Jagdish N. Singh
August 9, 2016 at 3:00 am

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8662/kashmir-peace

• The terrorists set fire to more than 10,000 houses and destroyed huge amounts of private and public property in the state. This has left the minorities in the Kashmir Valley with no choice but to flee their homes. Today more than half a million of them are living in miserable conditions in camps in different parts of the country.
• "Kashmiri Pandits are on the verge of losing their... homeland in Kashmir... the ethnic cleansing of Pandits from Kashmir...[led] to [the] forced exile of the entire minority... when Islamic insurgents committed mass massacres of Pandits in villages and hamlets throughout Kashmir." — U.S. Representative Frank Pallone, 2004.
• "Whatever is happening in Kashmir is Pakistan-sponsored. The name is 'Pakistan,' [Land of the Pure] but its acts are na-pak [not pure]." — Rajnath Singh, India's Home Minister.

When Narendra Modi became India's prime minister two years ago, he had a mandate from the citizens behind him and his party was in power. It was assumed, therefore, that he would be able to adopt policies and programs that would foster peace and development in the state of Jammu and Kashmir, which has been troubled ever since it became part of India in 1947. The scenario in the Kashmir Valley is, however, getting no better.

In a recent discussion on the ongoing crisis in Kashmir, a prominent member of the Indian Parliament said, "This government has miserably failed to restore peace in the Valley. There is an environment of insecurity and fear."

Reports suggest that the right to exist, the most fundamental human right, has increasingly been in peril in the Valley. Since the killing of the dreaded Hizb-ul-Mujahideen "commander", Burhan Wani -- who allegedly had an encounter with Hafiz Saeed the notorious Pakistani terrorist leader and mastermind of the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks -- there have been violent clashes there. Some protesters have been seen showing support for the Islamic State.

In the current crisis, forty-six people have been killed and 3,140, half of them security personnel, have been wounded.

Rioters in Kashmir throw stones at Indian security forces and wave the Pakistani flag, July 6, 2016. (Image source: Al Jazeera video screenshot)​

The government in New Delhi has done little so far to help. It is still adhering to its predecessors' well-trodden path of first blaming Islamabad for the crisis and then refuting Pakistan's occasional proposals for the issue.

India's Home Minister Rajnath Singh said recently, "Whatever is happening in Kashmir is Pakistan-sponsored. The name is 'Pakistan,' [Land of the Pure] but its acts are na-pak [not pure]."

In response to Islamabad's talk of a plebiscite to determine the legal status of Jammu and Kashmir, Singh said in a debate in the Parliament that the proposition was "outdated."

It makes no sense for the Singh to waste the nation's precious time criticizing Pakistan or blasting its plebiscite proposition. It is well-established that Pakistan has been seeking to foment trouble in the Valley and annex it by force.

Also well-established is that Islamabad has apparently never cared for the 1951 United Nations resolution regarding Jammu and Kashmir. The resolution prescribed a referendum to be conducted in the state after Pakistan withdrew its troops from the part of Kashmir that it captured by force in 1947. Islamabad has so far not honoured this resolution.

Pakistan has, in fact, not seemed interested in solving the Kashmir dispute by any peaceful, bilateral negotiations with India. In 1972, Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi created, with her Pakistani counterpart, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, the Shimla Accord. This pact states that all disputes between New Delhi and Islamabad are to be solved bilaterally and peaceably, including the Kashmir question. But Pakistan has not cared to honour this deal and has instead planned wars, including the war in Kargil, against India.

In 2003, India's Deputy Prime Minister at the time, L.K. Advani, blamed India's first Prime Minister, Jawaharlal Nehru, for the present crisis in Jammu and Kashmir. "If the first Prime Minister had not taken the Kashmir issue to the UN," he said, "India would have crushed Pakistan. Having been defeated thrice 1948, 1965 and again in 1971, Pakistan launched a proxy war and continues to export terrorism to India."

The current government might bear in mind that the citizens do not employ or elect a new leadership to continue the failed policies of its predecessors. India has paid a heavy price for its past blunders. The country has remained deprived of two-fifths (Azad Kashmir) of its own territory in its state of Jammu and Kashmir. The people of Jammu and Kashmir, minorities in particular, have suffered most.

In 1989, the Kashmir Valley had a population of over half a million Pandits, the only Hindu natives of Kashmir. Their number today stands reduced to about four thousand. By the year 2000, terrorists had killed more than 34,252 citizens and wounded another 17,484. They set fire to more than 10,000 houses and destroyed huge amounts of private and public property in the state. This has left the minorities in the Kashmir Valley with no choice but to flee their homes. Today more than half a million of them are living in miserable conditions, in camps in different parts of the country.

In his letter to Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in August of 2004, American Congressman Frank Pallone wrote:

"Kashmiri Pandits are on the verge of losing their identity, culture and homeland in Kashmir. ... the ethnic cleansing of Pandits from Kashmir started as a result of targeted assassinations leading to forced exile of the entire minority community in the early stages of insurgency. ... when Islamic insurgents committed mass massacres of Pandits in villages and hamlets throughout Kashmir."​

Ensuring the fundamental rights to life, liberty and property -- of all citizens -- is the first and primary obligation of a democratic state. The government must fulfill this duty and extend help to the people involved in the current crisis. The people in Kashmir are said to be running low on essentials, especially food and medicine. The government needs to reach out to them.

At the same time, the government must not tolerate those who celebrate the killing of security forces in the Valley or portray any militant killed as a martyr. The government also must not tolerate those separatist leaders who work to subvert the values of civilization and democracy and who have been behind the long crisis in the Valley. It is mainly because of their politics of hatred against certain ethnic and religious groups that acts of violence and shutdowns are organized there.

The approach of the separatists during the current crisis follows the same pattern: they spread hatred against the authorities that are trying to control the situation in the region. In a statement, separatist leaders Syed Ali Geelani, Mirwaiz Umar Farooq and Yasin Malik branded the current regime as "anti-people."

The separatists do not seem ever to respond positively to peace or dialogue. They incite violence and have little to lose; most of the leading separatists keep their families outside of Kashmir.

The old political trick of inciting hatred among the ignorant majority to win their support has been used to ensure that the public turns a blind eye to the atrocities against the Pandits.

It is heartening to note that Home Minister Singh has recently invoked former Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee's famous call for Kashmiriyat, Jamhooriyat and Insaniyat (Kashmiri ethos, democracy and humanity); he has said, "If there is any place for Kashmiriyat in Jamhooriyat, it can be only on the basis of Insaniyat and not Haivaniyat (devilish acts). Those believing in Kashmiriyat and Insaniyat, cannot give space to Haivaniyat."

One hopes that the government will finally take action to improve peace and development in the Valley.

Jagdish N. Singh is a journalist based in New Delhi, India.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Yeah right! Ban someone because you cann't defend your position and yet you hold moral high ground to argue in favour of Kashmiri. Good!

What Argument ? Do You even know the basics ?

Okay, Please tell us which UNSC Resolutions term SCS 'disputed' and give the right to self determination to the 'natives' (whatever you mean by that) of SCS ??

That's perfectly fine. It's their land. We are an occupying colonial force.

Who are you in this equation please brother?

The UN Security Council discussions of August 13, 1948, and January 5, 1949, clearly laid down that "the question of the accession of the State of Jammu and Kashmir to India or Pakistan will be decided through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite."

As clarified by the UN representatives on several occasions, these UNSC Resolutions are still valid.

 

[Paksanity]

No two situations are exactly alike. My grandparents and their cousins were disenfranchised and murdered - slaughtered en masse like cattle in an abbatoir. The Germans active psychopathy ended with the Nazi defeat. Jewish survivors ended up in DP camps. However, given an ideology that promotes psychopathy to a wide population, even without government support, similar results can be attained, given time:

Needed: Peace in Kashmir
by Jagdish N. Singh
August 9, 2016 at 3:00 am

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8662/kashmir-peace

• The terrorists set fire to more than 10,000 houses and destroyed huge amounts of private and public property in the state. This has left the minorities in the Kashmir Valley with no choice but to flee their homes. Today more than half a million of them are living in miserable conditions in camps in different parts of the country.
• "Kashmiri Pandits are on the verge of losing their... homeland in Kashmir... the ethnic cleansing of Pandits from Kashmir...[led] to [the] forced exile of the entire minority... when Islamic insurgents committed mass massacres of Pandits in villages and hamlets throughout Kashmir." — U.S. Representative Frank Pallone, 2004.
• "Whatever is happening in Kashmir is Pakistan-sponsored. The name is 'Pakistan,' [Land of the Pure] but its acts are na-pak [not pure]." — Rajnath Singh, India's Home Minister.

When Narendra Modi became India's prime minister two years ago, he had a mandate from the citizens behind him and his party was in power. It was assumed, therefore, that he would be able to adopt policies and programs that would foster peace and development in the state of Jammu and Kashmir, which has been troubled ever since it became part of India in 1947. The scenario in the Kashmir Valley is, however, getting no better.

In a recent discussion on the ongoing crisis in Kashmir, a prominent member of the Indian Parliament said, "This government has miserably failed to restore peace in the Valley. There is an environment of insecurity and fear."

Reports suggest that the right to exist, the most fundamental human right, has increasingly been in peril in the Valley. Since the killing of the dreaded Hizb-ul-Mujahideen "commander", Burhan Wani -- who allegedly had an encounter with Hafiz Saeed the notorious Pakistani terrorist leader and mastermind of the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks -- there have been violent clashes there. Some protesters have been seen showing support for the Islamic State.

In the current crisis, forty-six people have been killed and 3,140, half of them security personnel, have been wounded.

Rioters in Kashmir throw stones at Indian security forces and wave the Pakistani flag, July 6, 2016. (Image source: Al Jazeera video screenshot)​

The government in New Delhi has done little so far to help. It is still adhering to its predecessors' well-trodden path of first blaming Islamabad for the crisis and then refuting Pakistan's occasional proposals for the issue.

India's Home Minister Rajnath Singh said recently, "Whatever is happening in Kashmir is Pakistan-sponsored. The name is 'Pakistan,' [Land of the Pure] but its acts are na-pak [not pure]."

In response to Islamabad's talk of a plebiscite to determine the legal status of Jammu and Kashmir, Singh said in a debate in the Parliament that the proposition was "outdated."

It makes no sense for the Singh to waste the nation's precious time criticizing Pakistan or blasting its plebiscite proposition. It is well-established that Pakistan has been seeking to foment trouble in the Valley and annex it by force.

Also well-established is that Islamabad has apparently never cared for the 1951 United Nations resolution regarding Jammu and Kashmir. The resolution prescribed a referendum to be conducted in the state after Pakistan withdrew its troops from the part of Kashmir that it captured by force in 1947. Islamabad has so far not honoured this resolution.

Pakistan has, in fact, not seemed interested in solving the Kashmir dispute by any peaceful, bilateral negotiations with India. In 1972, Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi created, with her Pakistani counterpart, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, the Shimla Accord. This pact states that all disputes between New Delhi and Islamabad are to be solved bilaterally and peaceably, including the Kashmir question. But Pakistan has not cared to honour this deal and has instead planned wars, including the war in Kargil, against India.

In 2003, India's Deputy Prime Minister at the time, L.K. Advani, blamed India's first Prime Minister, Jawaharlal Nehru, for the present crisis in Jammu and Kashmir. "If the first Prime Minister had not taken the Kashmir issue to the UN," he said, "India would have crushed Pakistan. Having been defeated thrice 1948, 1965 and again in 1971, Pakistan launched a proxy war and continues to export terrorism to India."

The current government might bear in mind that the citizens do not employ or elect a new leadership to continue the failed policies of its predecessors. India has paid a heavy price for its past blunders. The country has remained deprived of two-fifths (Azad Kashmir) of its own territory in its state of Jammu and Kashmir. The people of Jammu and Kashmir, minorities in particular, have suffered most.

In 1989, the Kashmir Valley had a population of over half a million Pandits, the only Hindu natives of Kashmir. Their number today stands reduced to about four thousand. By the year 2000, terrorists had killed more than 34,252 citizens and wounded another 17,484. They set fire to more than 10,000 houses and destroyed huge amounts of private and public property in the state. This has left the minorities in the Kashmir Valley with no choice but to flee their homes. Today more than half a million of them are living in miserable conditions, in camps in different parts of the country.

In his letter to Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in August of 2004, American Congressman Frank Pallone wrote:

"Kashmiri Pandits are on the verge of losing their identity, culture and homeland in Kashmir. ... the ethnic cleansing of Pandits from Kashmir started as a result of targeted assassinations leading to forced exile of the entire minority community in the early stages of insurgency. ... when Islamic insurgents committed mass massacres of Pandits in villages and hamlets throughout Kashmir."​

Ensuring the fundamental rights to life, liberty and property -- of all citizens -- is the first and primary obligation of a democratic state. The government must fulfill this duty and extend help to the people involved in the current crisis. The people in Kashmir are said to be running low on essentials, especially food and medicine. The government needs to reach out to them.

At the same time, the government must not tolerate those who celebrate the killing of security forces in the Valley or portray any militant killed as a martyr. The government also must not tolerate those separatist leaders who work to subvert the values of civilization and democracy and who have been behind the long crisis in the Valley. It is mainly because of their politics of hatred against certain ethnic and religious groups that acts of violence and shutdowns are organized there.

The approach of the separatists during the current crisis follows the same pattern: they spread hatred against the authorities that are trying to control the situation in the region. In a statement, separatist leaders Syed Ali Geelani, Mirwaiz Umar Farooq and Yasin Malik branded the current regime as "anti-people."

The separatists do not seem ever to respond positively to peace or dialogue. They incite violence and have little to lose; most of the leading separatists keep their families outside of Kashmir.

The old political trick of inciting hatred among the ignorant majority to win their support has been used to ensure that the public turns a blind eye to the atrocities against the Pandits.

It is heartening to note that Home Minister Singh has recently invoked former Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee's famous call for Kashmiriyat, Jamhooriyat and Insaniyat (Kashmiri ethos, democracy and humanity); he has said, "If there is any place for Kashmiriyat in Jamhooriyat, it can be only on the basis of Insaniyat and not Haivaniyat (devilish acts). Those believing in Kashmiriyat and Insaniyat, cannot give space to Haivaniyat."

One hopes that the government will finally take action to improve peace and development in the Valley.

Jagdish N. Singh is a journalist based in New Delhi, India.

So given that Pakistan is the evil here, it's OK to call for culling of 6 million people. You don't seem to be bothered by that despite what happened to you guys in Europe. Am I missing something here??

 

[Solomon2]

So given that Pakistan is the evil here, it's OK to call for culling of 6 million people. You don't seem to be bothered by that despite what happened to you guys in Europe. Am I missing something here??

I didn't call for "culling 6 million people" but sure, you're missing plenty. You're missing - skipping, really, - the idea of justice. Justice is not measured by outcome alone, it requires impartial assessment of the facts, hearing both sides of the story, and comparing all to a given set of legal and moral standards.

The Midrash says, " He who becomes compassionate to the cruel will ultimately become cruel to the compassionate.”

Not everyone is worthy of equal treatment. The Jews of Germany committed no crime against the German state, nor harbored those that did; it was their existence as a "non-Aryan" element that was objected to, years before WWII started. The Jews were innocents. The Germans were not. That at the end of the war German cities were destroyed and occupied was a disaster for Germans, but not an injustice to them.

Have Muslim Kashmiris stood up for Pandits, in opposition to their violent co-religionists who killed so many thousands drove so many hundreds of thousands out? Have Pakistani Muslims advocated that non-Muslims possess inherent human rights to life, liberty, and property? RIghts that cannot be superseded by religious diktat?

 

[waz]

We are not killing them in the name of RAW agents! Are we??
Better think about your house before looking at neighborhood

Your post makes no sense. Do explain yourself. Are you saying that the Pakistani government ordered the attack on the lawyers in Quetta?

 

[Star Wars]

The UN Security Council discussions of August 13, 1948, and January 5, 1949, clearly laid down that "the question of the accession of the State of Jammu and Kashmir to India or Pakistan will be decided through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite."

The UN can't do diddly-squat in kashmir....
Besides, one of the conditions of the plebiscite is complete Pakistani military withdrawal of Pakistan administered Kashmir. first finish your end of the bargain....

 

[American Pakistani]

Death to 7 lakh indian occupier terrorists roaches.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Besides, one of the conditions of the plebiscite is complete Pakistani military withdrawal of Pakistan administered Kashmir. first finish your end of the bargain....

Stop blaming Pakistan. It was India which didn't agree to demilitarization. Have you forgotten what the UN appointed official mediator, Sir Owen Dixon, had said ?

"In the end, I became convinced that India`s agreement would never be obtained to demilitarization in any such form, or to provisions governing the period of the plebiscite of any such character, as would in my opinion permit the plebiscite being conducted in conditions sufficiently guarding against intimidation, and other forms of abuse by which the freedom and fairness of the plebiscite might be imperiled." (Para 52 of Document S/1971)

 

[Star Wars]

Stop blaming Pakistan. It was India which didn't agree to demilitarization. Have you forgotten what the UN appointed official mediator, Sir Owen Dixon, had said ?

"In the end, I became convinced that India`s agreement would never be obtained to demilitarization in any such form, or to provisions governing the period of the plebiscite of any such character, as would in my opinion permit the plebiscite being conducted in conditions sufficiently guarding against intimidation, and other forms of abuse by which the freedom and fairness of the plebiscite might be imperiled." (Para 52 of Document S/1971)

lol you infiltrated Kashmir with your Jihadis in 1948 and with your SSG's in 1965. Why the **** would we demilitarize after that ? Kashmir issue is fairly and squarely Pakistans fault alone...
Besides, Pakistan herself will never demilitarize Kashmir, so stop whining...

Death to 7 lakh indian occupier terrorists roaches.

why stop at 7 lakh

 

[adil_minhas]

We are Kashmiris one & only guardian. Btw did you get your loyalty certificate from bharat maata?

What is your official locus standi as this guardian brother? Do you have anything besides your say so?

Brother, as an Indian my loyalty and that of my ancestors has always been to our land. Always remember, it was we who stood and fought. And always remember, it was you who ran.

Where does your loyalty certificate come from brother? Saudi Arabia or Iran?

 

[HAIDER]

What Argument ? Do You even know the basics ?

Okay, Please tell us which UNSC Resolutions term SCS 'disputed' and give the right to self determination to the 'natives' (whatever you mean by that) of SCS ??







The UN Security Council discussions of August 13, 1948, and January 5, 1949, clearly laid down that "the question of the accession of the State of Jammu and Kashmir to India or Pakistan will be decided through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite."

As clarified by the UN representatives on several occasions, these UNSC Resolutions are still valid.

Believe it or not , if those line written as Pakistani member in Indian forum, you be cursed and banned right away....

 

[Royal Blue007]

Your post makes no sense. Do explain yourself. Are you saying that the Pakistani government ordered the attack on the lawyers in Quetta?

No not quetta attack but you people simply can put anyone and everyone into prison mere by suspicion of involvement in espionage activities (RAW) even can gun down anyone with impunity. People can't raise voice against the decisions (good or bad) taken by your forces in the name of protection of country.
They have no responsibility at all.

Every nation-state has some problem even highly developed countries like USA, UK, France too as do India and we are trying to maintain law and order situation. Arresting of protestors are not new, they can be arrested if they threaten law and order.
Why you people look everything as indo-pak enimosity. (I'm telling this since I think you are amongst well educated society across border not some tribal man)
And do tell me what other options we have.
A zerbe azab in Kashmir?? Do you like Indian Air forces to bomb the shit out of these stone pelters and protesters? Or prefer T90 to blow up houses of common Kashmiri people just for punishing some Arab wannabe?